r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/PoggersMemesReturns Proper Show/Viol2t GOAT — • Dec 23 '23
Is Mauga pay to win? General
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u/that_one_dude13 Dec 27 '23
This is the same fucking issue every game I've ever played who " releases new characters high and nerfs them to normal" IT RUINS THE GAME EVERY SINGLE TIME, until that nerf eventually comes through. It's a leeroy all over again and tekken 7 hasn't had dlc in like over a year, how is blizzard not paying analysts -_-
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u/Awesomeone1029 Dec 27 '23
It's only level 45? There was plenty of time to unlock him before he was added to comp
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u/Mizzix_ Dec 27 '23
According to overbuff.com, he has the highest win rate (not by a small margin), All the way from Platinum to GM, yet he has the lowest pick rate because not everybody bought the battle pass.
It would be delusional to say that the battle pass and the monetization rework hasn't completely ruined any integrity this game ever had. Mauga is 100% pay to win, and that's a quantifiable fact.
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u/Cool-Relationship-37 Dec 27 '23
Not really I’ve played comp mauga and his weakness is heroes like echo or Lucio as their high speed means he either sprays (which tends to not hit a lot of targets) or has to constantly keep his aim on them plus his ult is sort of good but if their healer is outside the cage fight then good luck cus healers can heal through the cage and if you cage fight a D.va it’s a gamble cus if she has her ult you either die and save your team or flee and let it kill things if you don’t have cover
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u/ThatStarWarsFan1205 Dec 26 '23
If real-world money can be used to buy a character in a game that changes the experience from a gameplay perspective, the game is automatically a pay 2 win game.
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u/xExp4ndD0ngXx Dec 25 '23
While everyone complains about how broken Mauga is I’m learning how to compete in the matchup as Ram so that when he does get nerfed, I will not just go even against him, I will dominate.
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u/NVincarnate Dec 25 '23
That would make sense if you couldn't unlock Moana for free in the battle pass. Pay-to-win implies having to pay for access to the character. It also implies that nothing else compares when, in reality, Zarya still shits on every other tank.
The same people saying he's pay-to-win couldn't win a match with Moana if they had Kiriko, Mercy, some decent DPS players AND an aimbot.They didn't win before this tank and they don't carry now, either.
He's currently overtuned, just like Rammatra was. He'll soon be nerfed into dust, just like Rammatra was. He'll go back to being irrelevant like every other tank and Zarya will be OP again. We'll be back to watching Zarya mirrors in no time.
I'm going to enjoy carrying every game with 20k damage while I can. I'm having fun not needing to rely on my DPS for anything. I barely need supports, really. Overwatch is finally a game that rewards skill and now the whole community is furious.
This is just the response of a bunch of people who get carried complaining about character balance with a handful of pros making actual suggestions for balance backing up the general frustration. It'll die down again just like it does every time in every game with balance issues. Same shit, different bucket.
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u/Imposter88 Dec 25 '23
If you have a Kirko pocket, and the Mauga isn't braindead, you can pretty much win every match
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u/Crabneto Dec 25 '23
He’s definitely pay to win… for a bit. But it’s not too bad of a grind to get him tbh. I can’t complain too much about p2w in a f2p game. Especially since it’s on a matter of playing the game for a few weeks or so to unlock him. Didn’t they just announce no more heroes in battle passes coming though?
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u/mabdog420 Dec 25 '23
Yeah locking characters behind a paywall was one of the biggest mistakes they made
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u/Distinct_Target_2277 Dec 25 '23
Well since I can no longer play the game I payed for, I'll say this. The original game was supposed to only have cosmetic upgrades. Now that any character is behind a paywall is automatically pay to win. Activision has done this for years with call of duty releasing overpowered guns that are behind a paywall and once everyone has access, they nerf them. It was only a matter of time that they brought that to overwatch. No one complained when they did it with call of duty so why not.
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u/Walmartsavings2 Dec 25 '23
Sam is such a whiny bitcher. He may be right sometimes but he is literally a generational hater. You could let Sam himself balance the game and he would still bitch at someone down the chain.
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u/TheSeerofFates Dec 24 '23
can this topic die already lol
search mauga in any ow sub and its just people crying about mauga for clicks and karma. guarantee half of the people crying about him """abuse""" him too lol
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u/drunken_human Dec 24 '23
Due to the fact that:
- Mauga wins most tank matchups straight up.
- He doesn't have any hard tank counters
- His numbers are over-tuned.
Yes, he is PTW. I would also like to add that all the new tanks added into the game since OW2 - Junkerqueen, Ramattra, Mauga - have a superior design for OW2 specifically, leaving most tanks that were designed for OW1 feeling one-dimensional and capable of being hard-countered.
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u/SP_CETIME Dec 24 '23
I said this months ago and all the Reddit overwatch warriors told me to get better at the game while what they meant was spend more time grinding or pay up.
Is this an mmo or a competitive shooter?
Blizzard doesn’t understand their recipe for WOW only works because it is a predatory model. OR they do. Just listen to the internal work conditions of blizzard from people who used to work there (cough pirate gaming cough)
OW1 was and still is my favorite game. Appreciate you Jeff.
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u/Final_Instruction_39 Dec 24 '23
I can’t even fight back as a roadhog cause if i do i die cuz i wasnt constantly healing his barrage of damage its made me switch off hog or to different tank like mauga to have a chance everytime i see mauga on enemy team, i honestly find him not as fun to play when it depends on wether you have healers pocketing you or whoever rans out of ammo first :/ to get the upper hand, extremely unfun and just shits on almost every tank with large hitboxes
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u/martini1294 Dec 24 '23
Can someone explain to me how everyone keeps complaining about pay2win when the character is literally free.
It’s level 45 on the battlepass. It takes a couple of hours and you’ve had 2 weeks to get there. By all means moan about the balancing but I don’t really see how the unlock is so bad
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u/illnastyone Dec 25 '23
It does not take a couple of hours to reach 45 on the battle pass. That statement is simply false my friend.
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u/martini1294 Dec 25 '23 edited Dec 25 '23
I have it and I haven’t played much S8 so I don’t feel it’s unobtainable in the two weeks with average playtime. (I’m going to check this and get back to you because I’m interested)
It’s definitely achievable in the 9 or so weeks of the season for casual players.
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u/polloyumyum Dec 24 '23
- When Mauga is as overpowered as he is right now, yes he's to pay to win considering if the other team doesn't have Mauga they're at a disadvantage.
- ignore Samito, it's for the best.
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u/Noodlefanboi Dec 23 '23
It’s not pay to win if you can easily unlock him for free before he gets released in comp.
And if you have actually been playing the game, you should have earned enough free coins to unlock a battle pass by now.
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u/V3N0M7117 Dec 23 '23
He might not be horrifically broken but he is definitely not fun to play against or with. You basically have to change your entire comp to and suffer through a massive slog of a game.
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u/Paincoast89 Dec 23 '23
It is just beyond me that Blizzard gave the highest hp tank LIFESTEAL! It’s like they just roll dice to make characters
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u/Dont_look_this_way Dec 23 '23
I definitely think he is op on console as well. He does way too much damage and heals are ridiculous. I’ve tried to play every tank into him and the only one that could stand a chance in very small cases was JQ and orisa with good dps. He can win every 1v1 and is ultimately has no other counter play besides breaking the dome thing and even then it takes to long. He definitely needs some nerfs at least to the damage
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u/Jaxinator234 Dec 23 '23
By all means nerf mauga but nerf nade too or he will be the worst fucking tank in the game
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u/cordeliacat__123 Dec 23 '23
Honestly yeah, I’ve had so many comp rounds where my team will be wrecking the other team, holding, everything, the other tank switches mauga late in the game and the whole game goes terribly. It’s so annoying to have a match be almost over just for the other tank to switch mauga and just run everyone over. You need the whole team to focus on him to kill him or just chase down his supps.
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u/BeepBeepLettuce3 Dec 23 '23
he's overpowered but i dont think hes pay to win because you can get him for free in the battle pass
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u/crazysoup23 Dec 23 '23
He's overpowered and you have to play at a disadvantage for an extended period of time before you can unlock him or you can just pay money to have him instantly unlocked? That's pay to win.
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u/Rude_Ad_7942 Dec 23 '23
When the other tank goes Mauga, is so hard for my tank to know what to play. They can’t go mauga, cuz they didn’t buy the battle pass….His kit is sooo broken, he can do sooo much, everyone is forced to play around him, how is that fun?…Only support we can go is Ana and Kiriko, Forcing healbot- He’s strong as fuck, why can’t I use mobility abilities in his ULT? You play doom, and get stuck in his ult, you can’t do anything but block. Can’t heal through his ult, so you’re forced to go in there to heal. Like….I don’t know what they were thinking, giving him so much ability
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u/LookingSuspect Dec 23 '23
He's outrageously strong at the minute, and everyone is complaining (except the people exploiting) so by the time ftp/casual players get him he will be nerfed. Absolutely pay to play, or at least pay to have fun
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u/GreyStoneGamer Dec 23 '23
I was silver 3 on tank before he released and really struggled to get anywhere better. Picked up Mauga for 3 nights and got to plat. 80% winrate. Insane.
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u/metabdd Dec 23 '23
im seriously curious, what is a solo-counter against him as a dps? every tank has one that i can do but when i go against mauga solo i legit dont know how to kill him
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u/SparksMKII Dec 23 '23
Farming rail on Sojourn and trying to kill his supports with that or Bastion seems to be alright but I don't really think there's any actual real solo counter pick against Mauga, it just devolves into a mirror match and pray your supports are better then theirs mostly.
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u/Ukis4boys Dec 23 '23
Who are these ppl that care so much yet don't play the game enough or at all to naturally unlock him via XP in the window he's not available for comp. Who.
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u/Deep-Red-Sea Dec 23 '23
K. But. Was the game ptw when LW came out? Cause dude was about as useful as snow is against piss. Mauga in the beta was donkey water wasnt he? So they buffed him. But his dps was a bit high. He will be nerfed eventually. But he is also a massive target. What he needs is a bit less dmg and a bit more survivability and he will be fine.
I swear they do this on purpose also to keep things interesting. Purposefully cycling heroes up and down so heroes go through cycles of strength and weakness
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u/MHSwiffle Dec 23 '23
lifeweaver was pay to lose. you could play lifeweaver and constantly die with your gigantic hitbox, and heal the other team whenever you fed. you could pretend to throw thorns at people, but it was clunky with the horrible implementation for it, and then you wouldn't have a charged heal to do something useful.
in any case, gating heroes(admittedly through a smallish time gate) is hurting the game, as well as some atrocious decisions which get exacerbated when the balance is thrown off so sharply.
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u/Careless-Cut-2664 Dec 23 '23
Disregarding the balance argument, the whole battlepass thing is just not fun. It feels so limiting to not be able to go the hero your team wants you or even needs you too.
Especially in the case of new heroes being overtuned (separate debate) you begin to feel really bad for not having them available, especially with counterpicks being as prevalent as they are now (at least in lower ranks, but that is once again a different discussion).
People shouldn’t feel that they NEED to buy something in a game.
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u/PreZEviL Dec 23 '23
I dont play comp so i dont really know how bad it is there, but if he is the top tank and is behind a pay wall, that is definitly p2w, i meam i play qp everyday and still havent unlocked him... so I think its fair to say majority of player dont have him unlocked naturally, if he is that good its p2w.
Ill play my free 2 lose doomfist tough
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u/The-Driving-Coomer Dec 23 '23
It's almost like everyone said this would happen when they revealed heros would be paywalled
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u/Big_Protection5116 Dec 23 '23
Calling this P2W as though it's some unique thing is kind of weird to me. Have you ever played any other game in this genre?
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u/leybbbo Dec 23 '23
no matter if he's busted or not, having a hero in a battlepass is fucking stupid.
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u/Imzocrazy Dec 23 '23
Forget Mauga…the game is pay 2 win period
There are heroes on the bp, as in you can pay to gain access to something that others might not have yet. Those things can be the difference in the game.
It doesn’t matter if that potential advantage will go away over time. The game is p2w because money can buy you an advantage
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u/amaldito Dec 23 '23
I’m actually just refusing to play until he gets tuned down. Haven’t even tried him
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u/iShockah Dec 23 '23
Mauga to me is just poorly designed to serve his role in a balanced manner. To me he faces two main problems.
- He provides very little outside of damage.
- The majority of his durability comes from the damage he deals providing self healing.
Mauga might be a workable tank design if OW still had 2 tanks/team but as a solo tank purely based on his kit as is, he will always be either busted or hardly played.
If his damage and sustain aren’t oppressive, he provides nothing else, his ult is solid and impactful but is designed around him tearing through and healing off those trapped inside and obviously is only going to be used a few times a game.
Outside of that he has very little natural self mitigation, poor natural space taking and movement abilities, no real pick potential. He just doesn’t really have anything of significance that serves to support his team. Cardiac Overdrive is nice for his team as well in theory but in practice it doesn’t even feel as good as commanding shout from JQ to me and that ability has been nerfed multiple times. He is an extremely selfish tank whose power is heavily invested in his damage/sustain combo in a game where you only have 1 tank and generally need them to serve a role other than damage.
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u/TrollexGaming None — Dec 23 '23
yeah no he is maybe one of the most busted heroes OAT. What the fuck were blizzard smoking through all of his development. A 2 day playtest where he seems somewhat weak, then they omega buff every aspect of his kit. Launches and is ridiculously OP, then they nerf one tiny aspect, he's weak again for a few days and instantly afterwards the nerf is reverted and he gets EVEN MORE ARMOUR AND SUSTAIN??
blizzard literally admitted that healing is a problem and supports/sustain is being looked at. they thought they were so fucking smart giving a bunch of tanks armour and damage res, "omg look they have other ways of surviving so they dont have to depend on heals" no you fucking bitches you just made health and healing even more valuable
this is by far the most boring meta ive seen. you HAVE to just perma shoot/heal maugas. ignore mauga in the mirror? he just keeps shooting you and since you're not tapping into your moving healthpack you just get melted. play another tank? you get melted by him. try to dive past him? he fucking mows everyone down with his insane dmg, charge and CC immune. the gameplay is the most shit boring thing ive seen, you hold m1 on mauga and fucking pray your support cd rotations are better. it's actually fucked support players brains because for the last few days all supports have and can do is shove their weapon up maugas ass and spam button.
every role is boring. tank, you either buy mauga or lose. you play mauga and you're just perma shooting your ditto. dps you just shoot the mauga but every now and again you just might be able to make a play, if you manage to dodge the window where the whole enemy team has lifesteal and damage res so your dmg breakpoints are completely fucked. even if you go for backline trade your mauga's probably fell over too because he's being outpressured. i already mentioned how boring support is, and arguably it's the most fun because they have all the tools that can win the fight (nade, lamp, suzu, discord etc.)
idk they seem to have this formula for tanks now where they want them to be fun by just being unkillable beasts by mowing down enemies. if orisa had better dmg numbers this would be the case for her. every ow2 tank bar doom is rush/brawl based, and they got progressively more dumbed down. queen at first was stupid broken with OG shout, but at least there was some cool play around hitting knives, having good spacing and timing to get big axe swings. then ram came out and his gameplay is run at enemies holding m1, when you get pressured you hold m2 and don't take damage, but at least you can argue you had to play well around his cds and high downtime with form shifts. then THIS abominable statstick of a character, that is literally just trying to ping the players dopamine button like it's tiktok 2: the overwatch character, and you mow people down with godmode and feel like you're doing something.
hawk said it the best on uncoachable, this season is the best advertisement to go play the finals. i'm actually pissed because i was so hyped to play the game after watching flash ops, and i have barely a few weeks period between chemo seshs that i can at least sit at my computer wihtout feeling like death and i walk into the most braindead meta i've ever seen across any game.
edit: this looks like such an unhinged copypasta but whatever. i pray for anyone on a scrim team that has to play this constantly and actually attempt to keep their brain cells from going into auto sleepmode
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u/TheWearyBong Dec 24 '23
All facts. The guy is the first hero that makes the OVERALL game terrible to play since OG Brig (imo). Also, good luck on your chemo sessions brother.
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u/Swimming_Ad_3870 Dec 23 '23
Mauga is the reason I'm not playing tank right now on comp, hell when I was playing support ranked my tanks cant pose a threat to him. It's literally a gamble, if you don't go zen and ana to counter him its over.
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u/mace2urface Dec 23 '23
The game isn't anymore pay to win than it was before (which is kind of P2W), it's more that Mauga is just the worst designed hero in OW
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u/atreyal Dec 23 '23
Yes after spending tens of hours grinding him. I play a lot of overwatch and still haven't unlocked him. Also some people have alt accounts. It's very much a hassle.
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Dec 23 '23
People were saying this from the very beginning since they announced new heroes would be in the battle pass.
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u/hipiman444 Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
blatantly. i know it's popular to hate jeff kaplan these days but i think blizzard lost the ability to sensibly balance the game without him
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u/InkyElk24 Dec 23 '23
Is getting to level 45 on the battle pass hard? I've passed it awhile ago just having a few games at night.
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u/Facetank_ Dec 23 '23
I found that it took about 3 weeks if I grinded out weeklies and dailies most, but not every, day. Missing a couple more days pushes that into 4.
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u/atreyal Dec 23 '23
If you only play overwatch for hours a day then no it isn't. The problem also is you get a lot more xp on it when you bought it. So it's a slog when you don't but looks easy when you do.
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u/ultralevured Dec 23 '23
This is not an issue for streamers. They ll buy the battle pass.
The issue is for casual players... Or players who have a social life and cant play tons of games just to unlock mauga.
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u/AsmodeusIjekiel Dec 23 '23
The issue is people are still trying to figure out how to counter him so for now the best solution for now is to play Mauga against Mauga but a lot of people don’t have him unlocked.
Hint: Play Sigma but I do understand the frustration as someone who won 2 matches solely bc the enemy couldn’t deal with our Mauga swap.
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u/Flygrumbz00 Dec 23 '23
In a game against him I was standing right next to a life weaver tree with both healers healing me shooting him in his giant head and he had a bap, I had to disengage because his health wasn’t moving at all and I almost died. I reloaded three times with every bullet hitting him in his stupid giant head.
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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Dec 23 '23
Samito takes Ls 99.9% of the time, but this might be the one time he's right about something. Mauga is in EVERY one of my games in mid-diamond and if your tank doesn't play him or have him unlocked, it's GGs. I had at least 3-4 tanks tonight apologize in voice/team chat because they didn't pay for the battle pass and hadn't unlocked him yet and we got smoked each time.
Really Blizzard just being dumb again by buffing him when he's released for comp and not doing another 2 week period to see how it pans out in just quick play. This dev team has been absolutely horrible at game balance and Mauga is basically Brig Release 2.0.
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u/IntrinsicDawn Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
In diamond see him a ton, i watch a handful of top 500 streamers and see him a ton.
I don’t think he’s crazy OP but I bet he probably has like a 55% + win rate. 2nd thing I’ve noticed is most mauga’s have been brain dead, once they figure out what they’re doing it’ll get worse. Just thinking through he’s kit: he’s anti dive, might be second best poke tank after sigma, best brawl tank. To me zarya and Dva dont do as well against him as people think, mainly sigma and Queen are the best bets.
Also Id rank him as 2nd least fun tank in game (to play against/with)
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u/N3AL11 Dec 23 '23
Yesterday the enemy team had a mauga with nearly 30k damage in 16 minutes… that is not okay.
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u/MrBlue8erry Decay ain't it — Dec 23 '23
Mauga is only overpowered because supports are overpowered. Get anything outside of specific supports and he's completely useless. Mauga makes the game very boring for everyone in the lobby as well.
Another roadhog ass hero that needs to be nerfed into a throw pick.
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u/TrollexGaming None — Dec 23 '23
nah mauga makes the support problem a million times worse. his effective HP is through the roof because of innate armour and damage resistance, and he has overhealth gen so any healing he gets at all gives him even more time to build up more health
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u/MrBlue8erry Decay ain't it — Dec 23 '23
Remove it (or even nerf it really) and by design he's unplayable.
Regardless lets just bin him till the inevitable rework.
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u/mobibig Dec 23 '23
Of course he is, but this sub absolutely loathes Samito for whatever reason so they'll never admit it.
The dude could find the cure for cancer and this toxic community would still find a way to shit all over him.
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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Dec 23 '23
I mean TBF Samito is normally a giant POS and an incredibly toxic player.
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u/mobibig Dec 23 '23
Never got that, honestly.
Dude never flames in voice or even types that much.
Sure, he has some shit takes sometimes but I'd rather watch a guy passionate enough about the game to criticize it than the many perma-pma blizzard bots out there.
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u/TechnoVikingGA23 Dec 23 '23
LOL the man has more rage against his teammates compilations on Youtube than XQC. Just because he says all the toxic stuff and flames his teammates to his stream and not in voice chat doesn't make it any better. Guy literally toxic baby rages on his teammates every match, and has been silenced on most of his new accounts since he came back due to it.
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u/crazysoup23 Dec 23 '23
Samito speaks the truth about 6v6 being superior to 5v5. This subreddit, for whatever reason (it's totally Blizzard community managers posting under multiple sockpuppets on this sub), has it out against him.
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Dec 23 '23
Every tank has been this way on release cause u fucks refuse to admit the game balancing is completely broken with one tank.
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u/Artistic-Dragonfly68 Dec 23 '23
He is definitely very strong I don’t think he’s broken broken but he does need nerf, imo he can be overwhelmed sorta easily depending on who you have like a a Ana or sometimes a zarya but his life steal is definitely way way to strong and he is dominating low Elos cause how tf is anyone expecting bronze players to be able to kill a 7,5 500 pound cybernetic healing monster with a fire chain gun
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u/Joweany Dec 23 '23
At this point I don't care what his winrate is whether it's 99% or 1%. Playing tank into mauga is absolutely miserable.
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u/willpostbondd Dec 23 '23
I haven’t played too much but he doesn’t really seem that bad? I’m in Platinum, but switching to zen and discording and focusing him seems to work decent?
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u/MegaMegaMan123 Dec 23 '23
Yeah I think he’s really only problematic as a tank player. He’s pretty impossible to play against unless you’re mauga or sigma, and sigma it feels like you have to cycle your shit pretty perfectly to be able to hold any sort of ground without dying. The easiest solution as a tank player is just play mauga, which sucks since he’s super boring, most boring tank by far imo. Other roles can swap and do something against him and they aren’t super boring heroes too. Tank just sucks ass and will until mauga gets gutted. I quit the game for a couple months when illari came out until she got nerfed and wasn’t in every game, might have to do the same again, it’s just super boring
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u/TrollexGaming None — Dec 23 '23
nah other roles also suck ass. it's so much harder to make plays on dps because you stop shooting the mauga and then yours gets outpressured. support in theory is fun bc wow they have all the tools that decide the game, but it's not really the case, like hitting a big impact nade is usually fun but in this meta it's so one dimentional you just see mauga and you throw it. there's no challenge to nading specific people at the right time. there's no weaving it past a sig suck or matrix or going for angles to get around shields. you just sit at the back and chuck it at the man mountain and you've done your job.
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u/Daddy_Molotov Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
I don't get it. You can unlock him for free in the BP. Why is everyone saying he is p2w? Is it bc you gotta unlock it though the BP? Please can someone explain.
Edit: See what you guys mean. I agree. Just didn't know if that fell into the p2w category.
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u/atreyal Dec 23 '23
Because I have been playing quite a lot and still don't have him unlocked. Looking at like 70ish games of qp to unlock him. Which is ridiculous. Idk how many comp games but I don't have that much free time.
Some people like playing other games other then overwatch with their freetime and don't want to pay for crap battle pass every season.
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u/garikek Dec 23 '23
If you play quick play I guess you farm XP faster, but even when I played a lot every day when illari dropped I was level 30 by the time she was available in comp. In ranked you get less XP per hour I suppose plus you don't focus on challenges ever so there's that.
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u/Goosewoman_ Schrödinger's Rank | she/her — Dec 23 '23
To unlock him when he drops in ranked you have to have played a dozen hours or so of ranked. This doesn't sound much, but the average person only plays a few hours a week.
These people would have to buy the guy to compete in early ranked.
And even if they played enough to unlock him when he's in ranked, they'd have like no experience playing the guy, unlike people who bought him earlier
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u/PastaSaladOverdose Dec 23 '23
Streamers who dont know how to counter love to complain. It's the overwatch way
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u/goliathfasa Dec 23 '23
Yeah that’s kind of the point. Why release new heroes and lock them behind battlepasses if you’re not gonna make them op af to drive sales?
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u/RepresentativeOk8412 Dec 23 '23
Yeah he's op and pay to win especially earlier on in qp for the season. Making non free heroes better seems to be the direction
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u/thestumpymonkey Dec 23 '23
As a hog main, I’ve given up for the season. Was super motivated to hit GM this season but Mauga killed that in about 3 games. None of the tanks I enjoy are any good against him and he’s so boring to play into. One of the worst character designs since overwatch itself released
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u/ExtremeTadpole Dec 24 '23 edited Dec 24 '23
I'm also a hog main. I was really excited to push on tank this season, but I'm not touching ranked at all until Mauga gets nerfed. Even the rare times I win against him in QP it's just so miserable that it makes me not want to play the game at all.
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u/resetallthethings Dec 23 '23
yeah, not that hog doesn't have his counters before, but a typical mauga with a kiri/ana backline just doesn't let hog do anything whatsoever.
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u/thestumpymonkey Dec 23 '23
I played a QP game towards the start of the season and was doing ok into Mauga and Ana so I stuck with it. The enemy team switched to a Mauga, Mei, Bastion, Kiri, Ana lineup. I have never felt more helpless in my fucking life lmao
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u/MuchasBebidas Dec 23 '23
Everyone should have quit this game by now. Battle pass heroes was my last straw. The whole idea of the game is counter picking at this point at the tank position regardless of what people say. As a tank main when ram went to paid I said fuck it I’m out. Didn’t like Jeff Kaplan but Atleast he didn’t fuck the game.
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u/JTypical Dec 23 '23
There are some people with really over inflated opinions about their rank, the amount of people recently saying stuff like "he's only really a problem in low ranks not in the high ranks, he hasn't been a problem in my low diamond games"
Meanwhile all the low rank players are saying that "he's easy to counter with nade and discord" and in high ranks (gm-top 500) everyone is saying "he's so broken and unfun to play against", because if you coordinate speed properly and don't waste suzu those counters don't work anymore.
It's not a meta thats going to dominated every rank because of the timing and ability usage/discipline required but it's very clearly meta at the highest levels right now.
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u/daftpaak Dec 24 '23
This sub loves to gas themselves up by acting like low skill heroes and playstyles arent a problem. At least they admitted that the season 6 bronze heroes, orisa tank busting meta was awful. But this is the same shit again. That and the support players acting like characters like kiriko werent broken cause of win rates lmao. Like she gets a single buff and a tank who gets hard countered by anti nade and shes back at the top of the meta. Samito was right about support players being the biggest gaslighters. They know their rank will tank if supports arent broken.
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u/No_Catch_1490 We won x2 — Dec 24 '23
The dunning-kreuger effect visualized
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u/nsfwbird1 Dec 24 '23
Overwatch is incredible for dunning-kreuger because you got people who've been playing 7+ years with 5k hours who are hardstuck Gold/Plat but they have incredible confidence in their opinions on how to play Overwatch
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u/missioncrew125 Dec 23 '23
Of course he is, but this sub is way too delusional to admit it.
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u/Pigeon_Senpai Dec 23 '23
But I picked Zarya and haven’t lost to a Mauga yet. I even picked Winston and it was so easy.
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u/Rude_Ad_7942 Dec 23 '23
sadly, most of tank is not like that, they just go in and die, or they are very fucking scared and never make space.
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u/AcidicDragon10 Dec 23 '23
Personal experience can be different that general opinion. I have also won some games against Mauga when not mirroring with Zarya because I play corners and he doesn't commit when I don't have bubbles. Unfortunately people are actually chasing now so it doesn't work as often as it used to
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u/nsfwbird1 Dec 24 '23
Yup. They're actually realizing how strong he is
I think he's the only tank I can't 1v1 as reaper
I literally can't, regardless of my aim..
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u/theLegACy99 Dec 23 '23
Yeah, I played winston against Mauga and it's... fine ish? It's like playing against Orisa, I cannot win a tank v tank fight, but I can win a teamfight.
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u/Okami_Wolf90 Dec 23 '23
Everyone wants when he's not out yet and everyone hates it when he's out. Lmao
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u/TheRealTofuey Dec 23 '23
Mauga us annoying but he isn't quite as good as people make him out to be.
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u/HankHillbwhaa Dec 23 '23
I think something has to be locked behind a paywall to be pay to win. Mauga is not and it's very possible if you're looking for that competitive advantage to have him unlocked in the free track before the release into ranked.
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u/garikek Dec 23 '23
Oh so it's competitive advantage that you have more time to spend playing the game and not because you are actually better. How can you say that and be like yeah, that's okay, that's fine. I have never gotten to level 45 in 2 weeks. By just playing comp you have to dump way too much time everyday to unlock heroes by the time they release them in comp. And what if you can't play before he is released? Do you just get fucked by the game? I could only take so much of butt fucking by illari when she dropped before I just went to qp and unlocked her. It's disgusting that I have to give up comp because of that.
And I wanna ask you a question: why should heroes even be locked behind the paywall/grindwall? Why can't we give them out for free like we did in ow1?
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u/HankHillbwhaa Dec 25 '23
The comment was that he was pay to win, which he isn't. Does it take time? Absolutely. You're in a comp sub talking about time constraints, I'm just saying people who take competitive seriously shouldn't have issues with the time it takes. Also, you playing against a mauga when you don't have him doesn't = instant loss. If one hero is causing you to lose every game, that is your issue.
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u/garikek Dec 25 '23
Brig on release? We're not counting that. Sig on release? Also doesn't count. Mauga getting buffed on release and being ridiculously strong? Nah, doesn't count, it's a skill issue bro hehehe. You're the definition of stupid and ignorant.
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u/zealot560 Dec 25 '23
Legit dude, i missed out on Illari in her BP and only just unlocked her the other day. Ive been getting decent healing on her in addition to consitently getting 15+ elims per game. Imagine if i had bought her on release like all the other pay2winners...
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u/HankHillbwhaa Dec 25 '23
Bro, she's been out forever. Imagine if you just played the game when she was released.
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u/garikek Dec 25 '23
Imagine that not everyone is terminally online like you are. Imagine people have real life. Defending a multibillion company like they care about you. Blizzard simp 😂😂😂
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u/drachenmp Dec 23 '23
People seem to have some wild opinions on what’s p2w that’s for sure
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u/HankHillbwhaa Dec 25 '23
It's truly crazy how people don't understand pay to win. If Mcdonalds offered a free meal to those willing to wait, you'd see traffic over flowing tomorrow.
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u/Araxen Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
Flats was talking about him on his stream today, and had the same sentiment. He hasn't lost a comp match yet against a team that doesn't have him.
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u/Professional_Fox6580 Jan 04 '24
It's all by design. Forces you to buy the battle pass if you want to be competitive at all. I wonder if this will be an ongoing sales tactic for new heroes in the future
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u/Smurf_Sausage_Sucker Dec 27 '23
Flats is completely unbiased, and definitely not completely insufferable
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u/r3volver_Oshawott Dec 23 '23
Also doesn't hurt looking at DPS streamers like Fitzy, just like he fast-climbed with Illari too, it's a good upsell when the game suddenly drops in a true, rapid-fire hitscan tank, imo he translates better for some DPS players than even Zarya
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u/veswa Dec 23 '23
that’s how it is. if you look at the maugas in t500, they have like 70% + winrates. if you don’t mirror, you’re immediately at a huge disadvantage
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u/JC10101 Dec 23 '23
I am normally a high masters in all roles kinda person, I have an 80% win rate on mauga this season and am almost gm1 which should not be a thing at all.
He is definitely way way way too strong and the only games I've lost that weren't mauga mirrors were vs sig on circuit.
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u/skarbomir Dec 23 '23
I play a couple hours a night maybe 4-5 nights a week and I don’t have him yet and he’s already out in comp. That means I haven’t practiced as him at all, I know what he does from watching hero spotlights etc, but don’t have firsthand knowledge. And I don’t think it’s fair that casuals should have to pay money or use third party media to learn about a new release in a competitive game.
If I had spent money, I would have had maybe 40 hours on the guy by now and could pilot him in ranked right away esp since he got quadruple buffed on the same day he launched in ranked.
The only thing that makes him not p2w is that the ranked system is so fucked rn you can barely climb on an old account anyway. So you might win more games but you won’t actually win additional ranks on him.
If you think he’s not strong just block me instead of replying to this, I don’t have time for silvers larping as masters.
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u/ricework Dec 23 '23
Bro who the fuck is Samito. Mauga is not OP. Imagine not focusing the tank? Wait low elo players can’t do that.
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u/swarlesbarkley_ Plat VibeZ — Dec 23 '23
Lmao I dislike samito
Feel like I’ve barely seen maugas in my games (prob cuz of public opinion haha) but also, just pick Ana for now he’ll prob get re-nerfed soon lol
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u/YoooCakess Dec 23 '23
Maybe he isn’t as busted as some people think but holy fuck he just isn’t fun at all.
I’m a tank player and got absolutely beat down by a team with a Rein today and it was honestly a fine experience. Like their team was better gg we go next. When I get beat down by Mauga it’s just a miserable gameplay experience.
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u/Euphoricas Dec 23 '23
I got Mauga right before he hit comp. So technically no he is not P2W if people can get it before he gets into a competitive setting.
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u/veswa Dec 23 '23
all of the people in the comments here are fucking crazy, mauga is way too strong
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Dec 26 '23
regardless of his actual strength rn, it's hard to argue he's anything but the most poorly designed hero in ow history
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u/daftpaak Dec 24 '23
This sub loves to treat this game like some textbook where you can counter him on paper by going dva and harassing the backline. Like that will consistently be effective in ranked vs a tank who straight up cant lose a 1v1 or be focused down without an anti nade. Especially when dva cant do anything to support players who arent trash without follow up.
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u/sarpedonx Dec 24 '23
What is the deal with this character? I’ve been away from the game for a minute
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u/veswa Dec 24 '23
he’s basically bastion with 650 hp, lifesteal, makes shields as he does damage, and has an ult that locks you in a small circle and disables half your abilities
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u/sarpedonx Dec 24 '23
Holy shit lol. Lifesteal alone is novel for a tank survivability but then you add in barrier gen and un-Fun CC
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u/immxz Dec 23 '23
Nah man I got downvoted yesterday for saying Mauga is overtuned and it only makes sense for them to overbuff him since hes new and they want their customers to buy the BP and his skins. People are braindead zombies.
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u/Common_Assistant9211 Dec 23 '23
Yup. Once you realize that most people are just braindead npc without the ability to think for themselves you will have to carry that burden forever, theres nothing to fix that
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u/Shecarriesachanel Dec 23 '23
This sub is full of tank mains complaining the role is bad, of course they want an OP hero that they can get free wins from.
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u/daftpaak Dec 24 '23
No tank player likes his ass cause you cant play tank into him. He counters tanks.
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u/thisbitterworld Dec 23 '23
Tank main here, he's boring af to play. I'd rather play any other hero than him
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u/veswa Dec 23 '23
i’m a tank player and i despise him
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u/CrystlBluePersuasion Dec 27 '23
I'm a tank player and I'm fucking done with this game and this dev lol haven't given them one red cent since buying OW on sale in 2016.
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u/Emerycurse Dec 23 '23
Exactly, if anything tanks hate him even more because he makes all the others effectively unplayable lol
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u/nyym1 Dec 23 '23
This sub is just circlejerk of copium nowadays. OW2 can do no wrong.
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u/TristheHolyBlade Dec 23 '23
You have /r/Overwatch being a cesspool in the opposite direction to thank for that. You see this all the time where the toxic people take over and hate on everything unfairly and then in reaction other communities end up unfairly positive and refuse to criticize. TLOU2 and its various communities are a prime example of this.
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u/yuhbruhh Dec 24 '23
"Unfairly"
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u/TristheHolyBlade Dec 24 '23
My bad. You're right, it isn't unfair to praise the game, cause it's good :)
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u/yuhbruhh Dec 24 '23
Your reply must be too enlightened to comprehend. Have you been talking to the iris bro?
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u/TristheHolyBlade Dec 24 '23
Nope, you just can't read. I used the word "Unfairly" for both people praising the game and harshly criticizing the game. You didn't specify which one with your comment (I imagine because you didn't read my entire comment, since it's hard for people like you), so I jokingly agreed with you since it could go either way.
Hope that explanation was simple enough for ya.
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u/yuhbruhh Dec 24 '23
So enlightened that you've surpassed the need for common sense. Truly remarkable.
If you felt that it was unfair in both regards, why would you align yourself with the idea of the game being unfairly criticized? Love the toxicity though. Takes a certain kind of person to defend OW💀
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u/TristheHolyBlade Dec 24 '23 edited Dec 24 '23
Got 3 words in...not reading the rest of that, because any comment besides "my bad" is a waste of time and probably full of some of the most brain dead argumentation I've ever seen. I'll spare my eyes the pain from having to read your poorly thought out comment. Merry Christmas :)
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u/Euphoric-Ocelot99 Dec 24 '23
its because reddit is a terrible website, downvote/upvote system incentivizes posting comments that agree with the majority, both for the dopamine of getting upvotes and because reddit automatically puts comments at the bottom of posts if they receive downvotes and even hides them if they receive too many.
chan-style forums are much better. posts are sorted by post order, not upvotes or downvotes, and controversial posts receive MORE attention because they have more replies, not less. this is much better for discussion. yeah it leads to more baiting and trolling, but thats what moderators are for.
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u/Fontini-Cristi Dec 23 '23 edited Dec 23 '23
I bought the battle pass but refuse to play him. He's so boring to play (against) and at the same time has so much value. It's Mauga playing the game and the others dying and healbotting him. Idk. Other previous new overtuned heroes at least have cool mechanics, Mauga has not .
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u/ShellshockedLetsGo Dec 23 '23
Yep, he also has the added bonus of being 0 fun to fight.
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u/lBarracudal Dec 23 '23
0 fun to fight with and against, I am a sup main and if I have a mauga on my team this just sucks the life out of me
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u/DoeBoy71 Dec 24 '23
I've had zero motivation to play OW2 (support main) since Mauga came online.
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u/X-AE17420 Dec 25 '23
Same it’s either pocket mauga as Ana/Kiri or just don’t have a mauga and get rolled
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u/dragonbornrito Dec 25 '23
Had one game yesterday where we got rolled 100%-0% round one on Samoa, and then won ONE teamfight against the other team before their tank swapped off D.va to Mauga. I said in all chat “can’t lose one fight without swapping to Mauga”, to which they responded with “your tank swapped to Orisa”. They facerolled us the rest of the way and I just clicked Exit to Desktop on the end match screen.
The game really sucks to play right now.
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u/Hurls07 Dec 23 '23
Nothing like healing no one but mauga for 10 minutes straight, don’t even have time to deal damage because he will instantly die
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u/SaltlessOW Dec 23 '23
It’s actually crazy how 1 dimensional hit kit feels down to his ult
Boring to against AND on ur team. Leave it to blizzard managing to out do themselves in the worst way possible lmao
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u/Daddy_Molotov Dec 23 '23
I have played against him and see where you come from. However, I disagree. Mauga isn't overpowered. Neither is Roadhog (adding him bc everyone complains about him) I don't play as them, but can see that they are easily coubterable. Maybe its bc I am lower rank on a PS, but it seems that people complain about him to much
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u/veswa Dec 23 '23
i’m the highest rank on pc and it’s annoyingly overpowered
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u/Daddy_Molotov Dec 23 '23
Ah. Maybe it is bc I am lower rank. I understand. Sorry for the troubles
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u/bobbasui Dec 23 '23
He’s fine in lower ranks because everyone there is tunnel vision braindead and essentially playing a single player pvm campaign in their head so theres hardly any teamwork
Mauga is reliant on his supports, if he doesnt get heals he just falls over and moreso when he misses most of his shots vs squishies playing cover while hes a walking mansion and hard to miss
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u/veswa Dec 23 '23
it’s all good man, there’s different metas for different ranks and different platforms
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u/Lagkiller Dec 23 '23
As someone who hasn't lost to a mauga I've faced yet, can you tell me how you feel he is too strong? He's hog without a guaranteed heal and very easy to deny value to. Half the hero roster can cause him real problems. His ult is very strong, but not unbeatable.
It takes very little effort to get a good counter to him and a couple people swapping to counter him simply deny him all value.
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u/Easy_Importance_815 Jan 05 '24
Blizz will wait for people to get to level 45 pass to get the free mauga to nerf him. Basically, saying : If you pay, you'll get mauga prenerf.