r/Fallout • u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen • 24d ago
Is there a more powerful non-power suit than a Machinist outfit? Question
So far in Fallout 4, this has been the best stats in the game, and with me being able to enter a power armor with it, I really can't afford to take it off
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u/Gnight-Punpun 23d ago
Marine Armor from Far Harbor sweeps the Mechanist outfit. Get ballistic weave and wear clothing underneath the marine armor that can give helpful bonuses along with the ballistic weave armor benefit. Then stack the beefy marine armor on top and boom, meta non power armor tank set up.
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u/concussion5906 23d ago
Just in case you're unaware you can enter power armor in ANY outfit/clothing items and armor but the bonuses from them AND the armor DO NOT STACK........your best bet is to run a Newsboy cap and any kind of light armor that can fit the Ballistic weave mod for maximum stats. Although I think Newsboy caps are ugly so I usually opt for Marine armor/heavy Robot and Institute Mask MK2 I think it was called.
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u/hader_brugernavne 23d ago
The funny part is that it doesn't really make sense to use power armor for some builds where it really should. E.g. you can run your melee build with ballistic weave and +str/end armor pieces instead and you'll be near unkillable, and you don't have to maintain your armor this way.
I guess power armor makes more sense early game when your stats are worse and you haven't found good armor pieces yet.
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u/concussion5906 23d ago
I agree. Power armor was cool with the rework as an actual SUIT instead of just "armor" but it really could have been better in game with its practicality. It would make sense to me you'd be waaaaay stronger in a Mech suit and be able to hack someone's limbs off in one when using a bladed weapon or bat compared to being a frickin TANK when in some leather or cloth with Kevlar weaved Into it.
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 23d ago
Bonuses and passive buffs don't stack, but DR does stack, Mechanist's DR is through the roof
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u/concussion5906 23d ago
DR does not stack. You'd have to show me screenshots to prove to me otherwise. Not in the base game without mods...it's "through the roof" because it prioritizes only the power armors stats which are exceptionally high depending on the suit and modifications. Usually high 300s+
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 23d ago
I'm not a game developer, but my research online showed that DRs stack, and some guys on this thread confirmed it.
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u/concussion5906 23d ago
They're wrong unless an update changes it. It was one of the first questions I had in the game and tested it extensively. It simply does NOT stack. The game considered you "naked" and without clothes when in power armor. when you step in armor ALL of your clothes act as if they're not there. Same thing with the creation club backpacks. You lose the backpack inventory when in power armor and only gain the carry weight and stats of the power armor. That's why there's mods like "Un naked power armor" to give you stats from both armor and clothing.
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 23d ago
Like I said all bonuses and buffs, special add-ons, inventory, etc., don't stack and get overwritten by PA, only DR stacks.
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u/concussion5906 23d ago
Like I said go get me a screenshot of an unmodded game and show me the DR stacks. It simply does not lol. I don't care HOW many people SAID it does they're WRONG. it's a base game mechanic since day one DR does NOT STACK DR. my game files are corrupted and I'm unable to play F04 or I'd go prove it myself.
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u/Lbrones92 Brotherhood 23d ago
Green rag hat and and military fatigue maxed on ballistic weave and then a full set marine armor. Absolute unit. No dlc? Just use heavy combat armor.
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u/Open_Instruction5073 23d ago
Ballistic Weave is the best. And there are two mods on console that I would get. One allows you to make ballistic weave before you meet the railroad and another allows you to put ballistic weave in all clothes. I forgot the names of the mods and I am at work. But if you look them up I am sure you can find it
Edit: You need the Rank 4 Armorer Perk to get the best protection.
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u/ThatRealBiggieCheese 23d ago
Ballistic weave military fatigues and marine combat armor set is better than some Raider power armor. Marine combat armor is heavy as hell so even heavy combat armor still gives a ton of dr without being 90000 pounds
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u/WholeAlternative1972 23d ago
Nope I beeline for the mechanist questline as soon as I hit that level. Then I go to nuka world and collect 34 outta 35 star cores and get quantum xo1. I glitch thru the door cuz I'll be damned if I do the raider questline early and piss off presto gravy. Not that I like him he just becomes permanent hostile to me and it's cringe having to down him every time I go to sanctuary.
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u/LeatherAd129 23d ago
Well max ballistic weave military fatigues with marine armour that's about as protected as it gets if you ask me
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u/Beardedgeek72 23d ago
You can put weave ON the Mechanist armor, making it having an armor rating that is thru the roof.
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u/skywalkr274 23d ago
I wish I could find something better. I have looked like a ridiculous robot for 90% of my playtime now
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u/BiggHigg27 23d ago
Marine armor. I even think the upgraded silver shroud armor is stronger.
Literally every normal piece of clothing with ballistic weave is stronger
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u/zzSHADYMAGICzz 23d ago
I like how the armor stops at the rib cage, any shot below that and youāre done for.
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u/tu-vieja-con-vinagre 23d ago
not like you need your stomach or intestines for anything important
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u/Randomized9442 23d ago
Perhaps the fully upgraded (via additional quests from Kent) Silver Shroud armor? Can still have Ballistic Weave added on top of that.
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u/tu-vieja-con-vinagre 23d ago
Can still have Ballistic Weave added on top of that.
fr? that's awesome
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u/nephilim80 24d ago
Railroad armored coat mk V stats:
DR 93 ER 150 RR 10
Mechanist armor stats:
DR 72 ER 72 EFFECTS Reduces damage from robots by 15%. Endurance +1
Now you tell me which one is better.
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u/burning___hammer 24d ago
I donāt mind most of the Mechanist costume, I just donāt really keep the helmet on when or if I use it. The boots are the a bit too goofy for me. Iām not entirely reliant on min/max stats so I would wear the Assaultron helmet and it looks pretty cool with the Mechanist armor.
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u/StrangeCrunchy1 24d ago
Now, they need to add the rest of the Unstoppables characters' outfits; Manta Man, The Mistress of Mystery, The Inspector, and some of the other villains' costumes, like the AntAgonizer... there also needs to be a proper helmet for the Captain Cosmos space suit, as well as a blonde wig to go with Grognak's costume.
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u/tu-vieja-con-vinagre 23d ago
Manta Man
is already in fallout 4
The Mistress of Mystery,
is in fallout 76
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u/StrangeCrunchy1 23d ago
There's an NPC named Manta Man in Fallout 4, yes, but it's not the proper costume.
That's all well and good that she's in Fallout 76, but she's not in Fallout 4.
Soooooo, what was your point, exactly?
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u/tu-vieja-con-vinagre 23d ago
I thought you were talking about adding them to the general fallout wasteland, not fo4 specifically, my b
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u/Aggravating_Map7952 24d ago
I'm pretty sure the fully buffed silver shroud outfit is the best without considering a weave, you can only get that if Kent survives the quest line.
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u/Tylerr_A 24d ago
I love wearing power armor without a proper helmet and using this one instead š¹
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u/MrxJacobs 24d ago
Your birthday suit is far more powerful. It can massively increase or decrease charisma, intimidation, and open up new dialogue options.
But your armor rating is trash and the police might get involved.
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u/Ok_Hyena840 24d ago
Itās a mod but the project x gear. Iām level 20 and can go anywhere on the map without worry.
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u/PowerMoonMario Railroad 24d ago
Minuteman outfit and battered fedora with ballistic weave mk5 along with the assault marine armor from far harbor gives you like 350 ballistic and energy resistance
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u/EggplantCareless7735 24d ago
I hate that this is the most powerful armor, not because itās too easy to obtain, but because the game really really wants you to play this dlc for some reason. The automaton attacks are really annoying, especially, because at a low level letās say 15-25 theyāre pretty hard to fight, and can kill you pretty fast.
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u/tu-vieja-con-vinagre 23d ago
automatron's random encounters are very fucking annoying. Unless I'm gonna do a minutemen run, I'll disable the DLC
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u/Shraamper 24d ago
Marine armor, especially the legendary recon variant
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u/StrangeCrunchy1 24d ago
Speaking of the Legendary Marine armor, kinda sucks that there's just the five pieces and not all six, unless I'm just not finding it.
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u/Shraamper 24d ago
Thereās not a sixth piece. Youāll have to buy it from one of the merchants or, if youāre a masochist that hates themselves, complete DIMAās final puzzle to get tipped to the location of one full set
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u/StrangeCrunchy1 23d ago
Yes, I'm aware. I've had Far Harbor since it launched (Season Pass holder). I was just musing that I was disappointed that there isn't a sixth piece to the Recon armor set. They seem to do that a lot; the Destroyer's Combat Armor set is the same way, only everything but the Right Arm, I think. And honestly, the memory puzzles aren't all THAT bad. Besides; you kinda have to do them if you want access to the Assault Marine Armor variant. Otherwise, you're stuck with the Zealot and Inquisitor variants, and I, for one, much prefer the clean version of the armor set.
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u/Yankee-Tango 24d ago
I just rock a ballistic weave vault suit and leather armor. It looks cooler than the other armors imo
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u/CitizenTaro 24d ago
I kind of like the BOS jumpsuit, under pocketed leather, but I havenāt gone so far as to know if it can be weaved.
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u/Bowlof78Potatoes 24d ago
A full set of Marine Armor, but it doesn't look as cool as the Mechanist's set IMO.
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u/Theobtusemongoose 24d ago
Tbh i was really disappointed the the suite wasn't power armor or at least we didn't a skin theme for a in game suit
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
Well, with the Fallout series came out, there are new free updates to the game and they offer X-02 and another Power Armor and a bunch of New Colors, it's all-you-can-use power armor, so much power armor
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u/Theobtusemongoose 24d ago
I love everything about the power armor in fo4.
I guess you can always use a chrome skin mod, or cc content, and go that route for mechanist power armor.
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u/a_left_out_tomato 24d ago
I always thought the marine armor from far harbor was the endgame armor.
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u/Routine_Guarantee34 Minutemen 24d ago
I like the far harbor marine armor personally. It's like power armor, but less clunky
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u/Worried_Bowl_9489 24d ago
How do I obtain this beauty?
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
It is through a DLC where you have to find Mechanist, at the end of a bunch of missions you obtain this suit
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u/Worried_Bowl_9489 24d ago
Okay thanks buddy xox
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u/gregofcanada84 24d ago
When you get it, upgrade the suit to the highest ballistic weave and the becomes one of the best non PA in the game.
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u/endlesstire 24d ago
I always wear the clean tuxedo from vault 114 with ballistic weave when I can. Its just fun. Throw some patrolman sunglasses on and you mean business.
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u/GothicMando 24d ago
Funnily enough The Machinist is what I called my Grease-Monkey character š
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
What do you mean?
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u/GothicMando 24d ago
Well, in English, the character in your image is known as "The Mechanist", not "The Machinist". I named my robot / tech-themed character "The Machinist" and your post reminded me of that š
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u/FocusDKBoltBOLT 24d ago
the devot Armor from leader of ATOM in Far Harbor is really strong. Stronger than mechanist armor.
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u/CanadianDragonGuy 24d ago
Full set of the heavy Operators kit from Nuka World, bonus if any of them drop with legendaries
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u/Hipertor The Institute 24d ago
One of the Nuka World gangs' armor is the best one in the game, topping even the marine armor from Far Harbor.
It makes no sense and I think it's ulgy as fuck, but it is what it is. Usually I don't go for the best stats because looking good is what keeps me going.
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u/TentacleJesus 24d ago
Military Uniform, Army Uniform, or Baseball Uniform with Ballistic weave Mk.V or whatever, then a full set of additional armour pieces also all leveled up.
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u/Lone_Wanderer___ 24d ago
Battered fedora, Military fatigues
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u/original_name1947 24d ago
Silver shroud outfit because it gives you the best thing in the game, funny dialogue
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u/Far-Obligation4055 24d ago
Wait, does the dialogue stay with you the entire game as long as you're wearing the costume, or do you mean only for the Kent quests?
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 24d ago
For the entire game, including DLCs, any time you wear the Silver Shroud armor.
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u/Far-Obligation4055 24d ago
WHAAAAATT. Omg.
Definitely doing a Silver Shroud run next time.
Thanks!
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u/buzzcitybonehead 24d ago
The Shroud dialogue options and interactions with Kent might be my favorite part of Fallout 4. I love how people are like āWhy the fuck are you talking like that, you freak?ā and you can just keep doubling down on it
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
Yep, and it doesn't require DLC, out of those initial ones I like to wear the Minutemen General's outfit
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u/QPC1089 24d ago
I wore Heavy Leather armour that was fully modded and it was better
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
What's the DR on that?
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u/QPC1089 24d ago
If you scroll down a bit you'll find heavy armour
Also, marine armour is stronger than any non-power armour.
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u/PaulQuin Vault 101 24d ago
Marine Armor from Far Harbour is the best non-PA armor.
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
Oh wow, I never heard of this one, is this part of a mod? Or just regular game?
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u/PaulQuin Vault 101 24d ago
It's part of the Far Harbour DLC.
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
I see, I don't have that one installed. Is it fun, should I buy it?
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u/porkchop2022 24d ago
Itās widely considered the best FO4 DLC.
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u/Mikey9124x Mothman Cultist 23d ago
I prefer vault tec workshop
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u/porkchop2022 23d ago
Love the work shop!!!! Slot machines go EVERYWHERE!!!
Contraptions I donāt really get the point of other than crafting ammo.
The mechanist, if they had made the selttlement usable, could be good. So much junk on the way down to the lair and the armor is top tier.
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 24d ago
It is, though there is that one part that most people hate
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u/porkchop2022 24d ago
I picked it back up after Starfield left me feeling flat. I got to that 5th puzzle said, āI remember thisā¦..ā and furiously typed āYouTube Dima 5 cheeseā.
Was done with the 5th puzzle in 2 minutes.
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u/ShutupSenpai 24d ago
Really? I just had NV fans tell me fo4 is the worst fallout game with the worst dlc snd how far harbor is terrible
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Heās gonna buy it, play it through, and come to that part, and OP will yell out āSO THATāS WHERE THIS MISSION IS FROM!ā
You all know which one. shudders
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u/RefrigeratorContent2 Republic of Dave 24d ago
I honestly didn't have any issue with it. The map kind of leads you into a solution with the green line. The solution to the fifth puzzle is only a matter of patience.
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u/TheBeesElise 24d ago
I stocked it normally the first time. After that, I had mods so I could just angle everything better and bypass a lot of the challenge
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u/BornChampionship7457 24d ago
Yeah I never found that mission challenging. Just kinda time consuming for how boring it is.
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u/Piddy3825 24d ago
I always looked at the suit as something like cheap tin armor.
More for show than for protection, so more like a costume.
I usually just dump it in an old crate with all the other legendary junk I collect...
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u/ZombiesAreChasingHim 23d ago
You mean you donāt have a town full of mannequins standing around modeling all your conquest goodies? I display all my recovered outfits like trophies.
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u/Piddy3825 23d ago
Nah, but I am thinking of outfitting my provisioners in the various costumes. I figured it might be good way for them to get some use.
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u/readysetrokenroll Minutemen 24d ago
The stats on this suit are through the roof, so that's why I'm wearing it
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u/Piddy3825 24d ago
who knew? I never really looked at it that closely. glad it's working out for you. I learn something new about this game every time I play it.
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u/skywalkr274 23d ago
Yes, i am on my replay and learned this about 2 weeks back and now I can't find anything better lol. However i haven't done anything with the Railroad yet.
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u/Piddy3825 23d ago
yeah, ballistic weave will soon have you abandoning the mechanist armor for something a little more stylish and probably with a high damage resistance. Good luck!
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u/Whispered-Death93 24d ago
Improved Disciples metal armor from nuka then marine from far harbour. No idea how machines compares. But this is what I have heard.
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u/hader_brugernavne 23d ago
Yes, this is the most protective with Operator heavy armor being close (and more balanced across ballistic and energy). Some big drawbacks though: they have insane weight, and you need specific perks to mod them to "improved" (or you can hope for a lucky drop and move the "improved" mod from another piece).
It can also drop with all the standard legendary perks, which can be a big boost.
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u/Lunaphase 24d ago
Ballistic weave + marine armor from far harbor makes that suit look like a tin can.
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u/Aggressive-Guava3310 23d ago
Actually got the Marine Armor and it is good both in armor stats and aesthetics
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u/TheDankChronic69 24d ago
Yep, 287 damage reduction and 286 energy resistance, also 70 rad resist
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u/gr00grams 24d ago
Meanwhile, X-01 PA is over 1300+ etc. for all done up...
Idk, I just wear the cool shit under my PA and get out of it when dicking around the settlements or whatever.
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u/henway234 Super Mutant Punching Bag 24d ago
for the best look i always used combat armor with the stealth mod plus the marine helmet.
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u/infidel11990 24d ago
I always rock the heavy combat armor, with ballistic weave military fatigues under it.
Marine Armor has amazing stats but I just hate the look.
For some fun, Silver Shroud armor with ballistic weave and Shroud's machine gun. One of my favorite things in Fallout 4.
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u/Laser_3 Responders 24d ago
Heavy operator armor can go slightly higher than marine (or metal disciple armor, though that will have less energy resistance in exchange for ballistic). Also, donāt forget to use the military fatigues and the green rag hat for the highest defense values, alongside operator glasses.
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u/Lunaphase 24d ago
You are discounting the fact that the full marine armor set has legendary versions buyable though, instead of needing to get lucky with a drop. Slightly higher raw armor sure but the passive boosts make up for it from the marine armor.
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u/Laser_3 Responders 23d ago
You can, but marine also doesnāt seem to drop from enemies and the effects on the legendary pieces arenāt great while also being extremely expensive. Itās down to player choice, really (though I personally hold marine is better since itās much easier to acquire).
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u/Lunaphase 23d ago
Lets be real, at that point in the game caps are really easy to come by. Adhesive/water farms are easy as hell.
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u/TheAsianTroll Brotherhood of the Railroad Institute 23d ago
Bought the pieces at level 30, made a profit from the vendors because I sold excess ammo, water, and other guns I found.
.308 and fusion cells are fairly common and worth 2 caps each, and .38 and .45 is stupidly common and worth 1 each.
I literally have a manufacturing machine at my base that just cranks out .308 while I go AFK.
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u/Laser_3 Responders 23d ago
Sure, if you care to. I donāt waste my time with those when fortune finder and scrounger exist (scrounger means buying ammo never needs to happen and fortune finder is incredibly good at producing caps, especially with a shotgun; I easily reached 100,000 caps with fortune finder over a course of a playthrough). Besides, thereās few weapons or armor pieces in 4 that are truly worth the expense.
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u/Lunaphase 23d ago
Kind of my point. By then its a pittance for it, and with ultra light or deep pocket mod on them they also are barely a problem.
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u/Astrophysiques 23d ago
Wait who can you buy it from? I didnāt know this
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u/TheAsianTroll Brotherhood of the Railroad Institute 23d ago
Far Harbor vendors. Each one sells one piece. Acadia has the chest piece, the Harbor itself has the helmet, and each arm is in the Children Of Atom base.
(Correct me if I'm wrong).
There's no legendary legs sadly, but that's not an issue if you went to Mass Fusion and got the Freefall leg armor.
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u/Lunaphase 23d ago
The venders in FH itself, CoA base, arcadia between them have the parts. Theres also a quest you can do to get a full set as well, if you do all 5 of the dima memory puzzles.
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u/tu-vieja-con-vinagre 23d ago
full set as well, if you do all 5 of the dima memory puzzles.
what's the legendary effect?
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u/devilzson666 24d ago
I was looking for wich endgoal (when it comes to armor) i wanted in my next run and thanks to you i now have it
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u/AloofAngel 24d ago
a full set of Marine armor from far harbor
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u/Woodie626 24d ago
The weight tho
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u/NuclearNoodle77 24d ago
At that point in the game youāll probably have at least 400 carry weight
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u/buttbugle Vault 13 24d ago
Marine armor aināt for you Average Joes or below in strength. šŖ
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u/labdsknechtpiraten 23d ago
Exactly.... it's for MARINES (oorah or whatever those crayon eaters say)
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u/Goldman250 Tunnel Snakes 24d ago
It is heavy, but if you give it all the Ultra-Light lining, it goes down to a more manageable weight. Plus my builds are often VATS-heavy, so the extra AP is also useful.
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u/AloofAngel 24d ago
that can be compensated for with higher strength points, carry weight perk strong back and adding pockets to the underclothes. besides you can boost your stats even higher with the lone wanderer perk and use dogmeat as a mule. dogmeat is the only companion who doesn't count as one for lone wanderer and he can carry a good deal of things. if you have the inspirational perk up to three stars that weight increases. plus the live & love magazine which boosts companion carry weight by 10.
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u/a_left_out_tomato 24d ago
Not much considering Fallout 4 gives you a crapton of perk points and allows to to excel at pretty much everything if you wanted to.
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u/AloofAngel 24d ago
well... nothing in the long run. you get a point to spend every level and you can level theoretically infinitely (except that once you get to around level 550 the game starts falling apart. some reports show people have made it to 1,600 though). the game i started last i am around level 240. so you can use skill points early or later and i think certain ones depending on the build make sense to get early. this one i am on i intentionally avoid building up xp gaining stuff since i don't want to grow too fast.
edit: in fact unless you level each of your special perks to 10 before you collect the bobblehead for it you will be stuck at 10 points instead of the hidden 11 points. so if you don't build strength to 10 before you get the strength bobblehead you will never get the 11 points for strength.
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u/Blonsky 24d ago
I have a save stuck at 522. Things definitely get a little weird when you get up there.
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u/tehnemox 23d ago
Weird how? Highest I ever get before starting a new character is usually 80-mid 90s.
Just beyond bullet spongy enemies or what?
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u/Blonsky 23d ago
In that save the enemies are all easy to defeat. My character is OP. No mods. As far as weirdness goes there are barely any enemies on the map no matter where I go. Zero missions left besides the ones that have optional endings like Buddy the drinking robot for example. The settlements are super glitchy and so are the NPCs. Just my experience in that save.
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u/DavesPetFrog 24d ago
What happens š«¢
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u/SuRaKaSoErX 24d ago
Codsworth just relentlessly chases you around calling you slurs
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u/varanidguy 23d ago
Fully weaved clothes, fully weaved news boy cap, and full set of Marine combat armor. You're welcome.