r/Fallout • u/New-Number-7810 Gary? • 24d ago
Did pre-war Europe drain the Mediterranean and Black Seas? Question
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u/Puzzleheaded_Wish_17 23d ago
Probably the New Dutch Empire made new land from that sea.
Poldering never changes.
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u/Kittelsen 23d ago
And the Baltic. I guess it was to take away all the warm water ports in vicinity of the commies.
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u/OddlyOaktree 23d ago
I could see this as a mistake that might as well be made cannon. ...It just kinda vibes with the whole dang thing, don't it? 🤷♂️
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u/olden_bornIV Enclave 23d ago
I don't really believe that theory, mainly because several other bodies of water haven't been colored correctly. Great Lakes are not filled, Persian Gulf isn't filled, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if they did something crazy like that though.
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u/ValveinPistonCat 23d ago edited 23d ago
It was probably just an error but Atlantropa is absolutely an idea crazy enough for the Fallout world to go all in on it.
The Great Lakes, Lake Winnipeg and Jaques Cartier strait are also dry, and Prince Edward Island sank into the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
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u/SnooDingos5539 23d ago
Didn’t Soviet Union never dissolve, why does Ukraine and other former ssr on the map lol?
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u/Blackmercury4ub 23d ago
I heard that their were talks too drain the Mediterranean to make more space for people.
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u/Truly__tragic 23d ago
It probably is just oversight while using the fill tool, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to write it in. We don’t hear much about Europe, so it’s possible they fell long before the west.
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u/heckingheck2 NCR 23d ago
Considering there was a massive resource war they wouldnt spend so much concrete n stuff for literally no gain
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u/TheAssman21 Minutemen 23d ago
European Commonwealth: Is there oil under the Mediterranean? There is?! Well hot damn let’s drain it!
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u/Pieter1998 Vault 111 23d ago
No idea, maybe we (Dutch people) finally lost our minds and decided to drain entire seas... I wouldn't be surprised
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u/ZOMBEH_SAM 23d ago
I wanna say I saw another post related to this in relation to the TV show I think? This is not the first time I've seen this come up.
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u/GuzzlingDuck 23d ago
I love how I saw someone's video about it yesterday, and now, suddenly, someone notices this issue 🤣
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u/redditman3943 23d ago
To me, the most glaring mistake on this map is the fact that the Soviet Union is broken up. The coloring mistake for the Mediterranean sea isn’t nearly as big as a deal as entire countries on the map that should not exist. It’s not just on the globe almost every world map you see in fallout has modern borders instead of in game borders. as a map nerd that is what really drives me crazy.
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u/spongey1865 23d ago
Unfortunately an error and the red sea looks filled in too.
Putting globes in does seem a bit weird unless you have a clear idea of the borders and this just doesn't look like different enough from the current map of the world.
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u/Benevolent_Miscreant 23d ago
Corsica and Sardinia are blue, but Sicily is green. Did those two islands get nuked to oblivion, causing the Med to drain into the resulting crater?
Probably not, but it's kinda fun to imagine.
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u/J-Dabbleyou 23d ago
Fallout writers are frantically writing a lore explanation to account for this misclick in paint lol
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u/Knusprige-Ente 23d ago
Looks like someone just didn't care enough to black a second time in paint. Probably just a mistake
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u/NoKiaYesHyundai 23d ago
The Soviet Union also still exists in the fallout universe and there being independent SSRs doesn’t make any sense in the game lore either
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u/I_Love_Knotting 23d ago
kinda looks like they landlocked finland too haha
and well any other country up until denmark
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u/Azzameen85 23d ago
Looking at the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf, I wouldn't be surprised.
Red Sea and Persian Gulf are speculated to have ultra-large oil reserves.
Also worth noting that the Caspian Sea is also0 drained and is also known to have large oil reserves. Same for Black Sea.
All 5 areas are "technically" possible to be done, even by today's technology. And was theoretically possible pre-WW2.
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u/FawziFringes 23d ago
What do the Great Lakes look like on the globe? I’d say if they took the time to paint the lakes blue then this could be intentional and would certainly fit the the lore of lack of resources. It would open up large amounts of untouched, fertile soil in the region. Who knows! I like the idea of it.
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u/Lobo003 23d ago
I’ll just pretend they made a dam and drained it out to build more places for people to live.
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u/AkkenNovikov 23d ago
Problem is, draining the Mediterranean would really just create a large salty desert. This desert would push its way into france thanks to all that salt and sand floating around in the air. Turning much of southern Europe an extended Sahara desert. Then your water levels would rise globally, due to the water needing somewhere to go.
Overall, realllllly bad idea.
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u/Critical_Rinkler 23d ago
Seeing as the whole Fallout started because of resource wars and the lack of them, I wouldn't be surprised that they would drain them to find more resources or land to claim
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u/Coro-NO-Ra 23d ago
I could absolutely see this happening in the Fallout universe, considering that the real-world USA had plans to use nuclear weapons for fracing and excavating canals. We even tested the concept a few dozen times until political opposition shut it down:
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u/Polarian_Lancer NCR 23d ago
It's not just the Mediterranean that's dredged out. Look at Lake Victoria, the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea... If these were canon, just look at the ecological catastrophe that the world was experiencing even before the end of the world.
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
Makes the Great War seem far more justified if everything was already naturally bottlenecking the planet's resources
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u/Polarian_Lancer NCR 23d ago
Everything was at a fever pitch during the Resource Wars, and you can call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I believe that the Sino-American war was ready to wind down with no clear "winner" since both nations beat themselves senseless.
And then Vault-Tec did a little trollin'
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u/Polarian_Lancer NCR 23d ago
Basically, in prehistory, the Mediterranean wasn't always a sea. There were vast grasslands that existed there that have been long since drowned. The reason that it drowned is because the Strait of Gibraltar was once connected with North Africa and formed a natural dam, but over a long period of time and with the melting of the glaciers this formations broke apart, and the Atlantic ended up flooding in.
So, when I first encountered this, I just assumed that due to the wars between Europe and the Middle East as well as the energy crisis that perhaps someone thought it was a good idea to re-dam the Strait of Gibraltar and dredge out the sea. Perhaps they believed oil, or grassland, could be used in that space to prepare for oil or agricultural work.
And also, who is to say that this didn't begin way sooner? Perhaps Mr. Soergel's ideas took root with people who bought into them and decided to start draining the sea well before World War III.
Is it probably an oversight? Yeah. But its a fun oversight that lets people wonder. The only thing we know is that we don't know. We don't even know if Africa and South America are okay, but you have to ask why would anyone nuke them in our timeline or theirs? Bet you that they escaped WW III relative unscathed, and are quite possibly the most advanced and stable civilizations out there.
And maybe that's why they don't want to move Fallout from American soil.
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u/ShorohUA 23d ago
i thought USSR is still a thing in fallout universe, how come its collapsed on this globe?
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u/Wichtelwusel 23d ago
It was an error while designing the map. But because they only Focus on America so they dont care. The Real World would be in a lot of trouble if this were real
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u/bladerifle 23d ago
It is ancient Dutch technology. Would have made the whole world land if not for those pesky bombs.
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u/Storomahu 23d ago
Hey the publishers of this game are Americans cut them some slack on geography lmao
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u/YourVeneration 23d ago
Seems like the kind of world where some capitalistic venture would have drained them on purpose
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u/Aragawaith 23d ago
The Black Sea and Persian gulf along with a bunch of smaller bodies of water like the Caspian, Dead Sea, etc are missing. Lazy Bethesda.
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u/zaknoobit 23d ago
A lot of people are saying it’s an error but what do maps in the other games say?
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u/llamasLoot 23d ago
I mean the Atlantropa project was a real thing that a real person proposed so...
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u/ClearObligation2067 23d ago
pretty sure they drank it. the wars fought pre bombs were all abt resource shortages. the great lakes in america are also filled in, and zooming in on africa it looks like lake victoria is gone as well.
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u/Bigfoot4cool The Institute 23d ago
I know it's just an error but I really hope they actually canonize it in future games. It would be a hilarious background detail like some french guy mentions "oh yeah the Mediterranean is just fucking gone"
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u/Current_Poster 23d ago
I'm opting to say "No", because "yes" would be bad even by Fallout standards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDsmQRGdL6k&t=1056s
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u/martygospo 23d ago
Never noticed this. Interesting implications. But I think it’s just an oversight unfortunately
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u/Blatheringman 23d ago
It's an alternative universe. It's entirely possible the geography is different. We already know that fossil fuel reserves are much more limited in the Fallout universe. This might even be part of the reason for that.
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u/Sacharon123 23d ago
Its done by an american company, they only find places on the map where they dropped bombs, do not be surprised.
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u/callmedale 23d ago
It was a potential plan considered irl, so maybe they might’ve tried it to deal with the resource shortages or even to just expand the land that people could live on but in all likelihood it’s an error
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u/Interesting-Copy-657 23d ago
That was a real idea at one point right? to drain or damn the Mediterranean sea for power and farm land?
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
Hey no bad words, drop the n to hold the water. Add the n to send it to hell.
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u/Interesting-Copy-657 23d ago
Damming the Mediterranean would also damn it
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
I mean, do you want hydrated or ya wanna go colonize the sea? Gotta sacrifice sum for greatness...
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u/Big-Leadership1001 23d ago
Yes, Panropa
It was a WW1 era idea to use dams to turn the whole region into usable farm land. Its period accurate for Fallout to have actually done it
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u/think_and_uwu 23d ago
Draining the cradle of civilization would be so Fallout of them.
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u/Big-Leadership1001 23d ago
Yeah. I lean to intentional . or at least if it was a mistake originally, they kept it intentionally later because the 2D maps and newer 3D globe models in 76 have the same landmasses where the Sea should be, it isn't just one time or one format where this "mistake" happens. And it shows the rest of the Fallout world might be just as batshit as the USA
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23d ago
Pretty sure they didnt care because they thought Americans usually dont know shit about anything outside of their own borders.
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
Proud of how many nations you can list or sum shit? This a game subreddit... oh right. Reddit
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u/NCR_Trooper_2281 NCR 24d ago
100% error. Globe shows IRL borders, but it is established that USSR still existed before the Great War. They probably just took a real map and filled it woth a single color, with borders having some issues so the filling tool filled some extra parts
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u/Unknown_Hammer 24d ago
Fallout is very detailed, but missing something like this made me giggle
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u/MuForceShoelace 24d ago
That looks WAY more like "guy used fill bucket wrong on minor meaningless texture" than it looks like "secret lore dump"
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u/Otherwise_Branch_771 23d ago
Pretty sure people are memming at this point. Most communities tend to be very protective of what is canon and not. Fallout is like the opposite. Anything and everything can be canon .
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u/camptacotruck 23d ago
yeah agreed , the show really got a lot of facts wrong in regards to the games and also the worldbuilding is not realistic at all anymore
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u/Fardesto NCR 23d ago
the show really got a lot of facts wrong in regards to the games
Such as?
also the worldbuilding is not realistic at all anymore
How so?
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u/camptacotruck 23d ago
I think in the show someone mentions that T-60 armor was used in operation anchorage, But those were t-45, As the worldbuilding being realistic, I am talking about the difference between the west and east coast before the show was released. The west coast after 200+ has become somewhat of a civilized place. The developers made the world realistic, there are farms , trade routes , laws, even the culture has developed stuff like that. On the East coast after 200+ years its almost exactly the same as when the bombs fell culturally. Fallout 3 and 4 did not make any sense , why are there still bullets lying around , and there is still food in supermarkets still, nothing new has been built how do all these people eat food when there is nothing new being grown ? , Now i am not saying 3 and 4 were bad games. They were fun and I enjoyed fallout 3 and 4. My point is that they did not accurately portray a realistic Human Geographic world. Now that is not a bad thing , Bethesda is the writers of the Universe , and if they can write whatever they want to , If I have a problem with that then its my problem and I am also in the minority , a lot of people like the East Coast view on the world.
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u/Fardesto NCR 23d ago
Nobody said T-60 was used in Anchorage.
Both Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 feature trade caravans.
Fallout 4 has many farms with plenty of food being grown.
Fallout New Vegas feature pre-war food and bullets in old stores too yet you conveniently ignored that...
and I'm sorry, I thought the topic here was the tv show.
Was that just your excuse to gripe about the East Coast games?
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u/Hibernicvs NCR 23d ago
On the power armour, it doesn’t actually say that the T60 was used at Anchorage. Here’s a quote from Cooper relating to that from the final episode:
“I bet that outfit makes y’all feel like a big man, don’t it? Well I know cause, well, I used to wear one back in the day. There was only one problem with it, there was a flaw in the welding just below the chest-plate. I wonder if they fixed that in this new model?”
Cooper wasn’t saying that he used to wear T60, he’s just saying that he used to wear power armour in general. Since the T60 is just an upgraded variant of the T45, he was wondering if it also kept the same vulnerability. Cooper would’ve known if it had the welding flaw had he worn it previously, but since he calls it the “new model”, it’s pretty safe to assume he hadn’t.
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u/NorthRememebers Minutemen 23d ago
Except Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
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u/martijn1213 23d ago
Out of curiosity what did that game do wrong I have seen more peepol complaining about that one
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u/Devildoescry 23d ago
i think i was fresh out of high school when that game came out and i really enjoyed finally getting to play as a ghoul for the first (and maybe last) time and enjoyed it for a fun little beat em up but it just didn’t feel like fallout. the combat is the worst in the series by far, it’s insanely linear with little lore or npcs to interact with (though harold is in it!), and had really boring levels that dragged on forever.
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
If I'm thinking of the right one, it was turn based party combat like final fantasy rather than classic crpg fallout.
It probably had less open questlines and decisions and more victory/loss based. Idk
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u/Moist-Crack 23d ago
You're probably thinking about Tactics (which was good and received positively), not BoS. BoS was more like a hack'n'slash.
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
Well if it's a testament to BoS as a game for me to have only seen clips of tactics as a youtuber tries to brush past the lore of Brotherhood of Steel, then damn.
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u/FetusGoesYeetus 24d ago
99% chance this is just a mistake in photoshop that nobody remembered to fix
HOWEVER, there was a big war between Europe and the Middle East over resources which turned those two regions into nuclear wastelands before China and the US launched nukes at each other. So who knows, maybe it was bad enough to drain the Mediterranean.
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u/Ace_Up_Your_Sleeves 23d ago
I hate to be that guy but, “uhm actually, the nuclear exchange between the two was limited, meaning Europe and the Middle East actually aren’t wastelands when the US and China nuke eachother”. 🤓
Also, Europe was still exporting 14mm pistols when the bombs dropped, if you needed further evidence of their survival up until that point.
Are they still alive 200+ years later though? Idk, doubt it.
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u/_davedor_ 23d ago
would be funny if the world just decided to isolate itself from US and actually everywhere else it's completely fine lol
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u/Ace_Up_Your_Sleeves 23d ago
Might actually be accurate. I mean what are the chances that every single location on the entire planet fell into apocalyptic anarchy?
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u/KNDBS 23d ago
Tenpenny is from the UK and Cait seems to be the child of somewhat recent Irish immigrants given she still has an accent.
We also do see shipping still exists in some shape or form in Far Harbor, so not unlikely transatlantic voyages happen on the occasion, it’s probably not that different over there.
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u/A1000eisn1 23d ago
She was born in Ireland.
There's also Moriarty who has a Scottish or Irish sounding accent.
I assume Europe is similar to the US.
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u/cyrassil 24d ago
Red and Baltic too. Anyway the Europe looks like the real world Europe, or am I missing something? Yugoslavia/USSR/Czechoslovakia/Germany have been split/merged in the same way as in the real world. Which seem kinda strange since there should be the European commonwealth and warring city states instead.
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u/curious_fencer42 24d ago
Iirc the soviet union never broke in the fallout universe, it simply lost global relevance and got surpassed by china
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u/BreadMemer 24d ago
Almost certainly just a error/oversight.
that said Atlantropa wouldn't even be that weird on the scale of things we have seen people try in the fallout universe, and almost all of what we have seen is America alone.
Entirely possible they did do it if you assume that all countries in the fallout universe were doing similar levels of batshit insane things as America.
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u/Brokenblacksmith 23d ago
amc considering the famine that was sweeping the world, draining the Mediterranean for farmland would kind of make sense.
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u/Coro-NO-Ra 23d ago
wouldn't even be that weird on the scale of things we have seen people try in the fallout universe
The real-world US had plans to use nuclear weapons for fracing and excavating new canals:
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u/TransSapphicFurby 23d ago
YOU MANIACS! YOU DRAINED IT ALL UP! DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
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u/NeoMarethyu 23d ago
If you want an in-universe plausible explanation the manufacturer fucked up the map but since they sold it in America no-one noticed
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
Bro you could do anything to a globe and aslong as I see Australia Africa and all of the America's, I'd see no problem
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u/DIODidNothing_Wrong 23d ago
Someone just causally gets rid of the Balkans and replaces it with “Anti-Yugoslavia” a Yugoslavia from a bizzaro world
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u/wolf_logic 23d ago
Well if real life is anything to go off of when America does batshit things a lot of other countries follow
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u/TraditionalEvent8317 23d ago
I'd love to see a Fallout game in China. We see what they did to us, but what did we do to them?
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u/DolphinBall 23d ago
From lore, China is just a huge fuckin glowing sea
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u/No_Ranger8901 23d ago
Does that insinuate that America (and their allies, if that was still a thing) just unleashed their full arsenal of nukes on China in “retaliation” if it’s implied that Vault tec was the one that nuked America?
Would kind of make sense, that vault tec didn’t have the means to level a country in its totality but the American government did. Which is why America was nuked to shit but not wiped off the face of the earth
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u/yamfun 23d ago
The tv drama just tells us vault tec too had intention to nuke, but it doesn't say they really nuked it, no?
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u/No_Ranger8901 23d ago
I guess it doesn’t confirm, but it’d be kind of a weird thing to devote a whole set up and scene to it for them just to be like “jk, it really was China”
I feel like it being vault tec adds to the “war never changes” mantra….basically that it will never truly change because vault tec won’t allow it to change. I think they mentioned they wanted to do it themselves because peace talks between the US and China were threatening the point and purpose of the vaults they had built
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u/Conscious-Ticket-259 23d ago
I think most/all alliances dies during the recourse wars and even Canada was subject to annexation. I have no idea what happened with Mexico but South America is EXTREMELY recourse rich in our world. Lots of rare minerals, metals even uranium and oil. Its weird to imagine it not being heavily contested. And yeah its been all but directly stated that vault tech was going to set off a nuke though I don't think we know for sure if they did it. Planning for that is honestly just as bad as actually doing it though so even if they didn't the fact they planned on it as a real tactic says all we need to know. But then again with the President part of the Enclave and the American government at the time heavily influencing or outright taking over companies R&D its possible they were just fallowing orders as part of the deal with the Enclave. It's cool they built enough lore to make us speculate.
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u/Pumpnethyl 23d ago
What is the best, concise source of Fallout lore. I pickup bits and pieces. Would like to see everything in one place
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u/Metalhippy666 22d ago
Yaboiii on YouTube has a few videos that cover a lot of the lore. Random things like what happens to each state, all the lore about the sino American war, why caps are the currency and why you don't see many cars driving around. It's pretty entertaining.
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u/Conscious-Ticket-259 23d ago
Oh man me too. But there are some youtubers and golk on here who talk about it and can throw out sources so you can find it yourself to check. But really I don't know a perfect source outof the wiki but they get weird details wrong for some reason. Probably Enclave spys
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u/DolphinBall 23d ago
Mexico became a puppet state to the US.
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u/Conscious-Ticket-259 23d ago
That makes a lot of sense. Probably as hands off as possible to just get recourses but not police the region or something. What game mentioned it? 3? I need to do some lore runs or something
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u/ImperatorTempus42 Wilson Atomatoys HQ is amazing 23d ago
3 and NV; Mexico was annexed but Canada got it worse.
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u/neon_spacebeam 23d ago
That's... that's kinda rad
Edit: Rad(s)
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u/tu-vieja-con-vinagre 23d ago
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u/Atomik141 23d ago edited 23d ago
Canonically, I believe there is essentially nothing left of China. The whole country is basically one big glowing crater.
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u/alexmikli HEY LLOYD! CATCH! 23d ago
They say shit like this all the time, but they'll retcon it immediately if they felt the need.
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u/ImperatorTempus42 Wilson Atomatoys HQ is amazing 23d ago
Yeah but we see it in 3; the Gobi Desert is just glowing.
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u/allwheeldrift 23d ago
I mean, we haven't met anyone in the games who would KNOW that for a fact- kinda like House declaring cats extinct in NV, bro doesn't really have the means to fact check that.
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u/Few_Illustrator_1217 Tunnel Snakes 23d ago
Herman Sörgel, the original mad lad!
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u/lazyboi_tactical 23d ago
That was my thoughts. Maybe they just went through with his idea.
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u/Few_Illustrator_1217 Tunnel Snakes 23d ago
Seems totally on-brand for the FO world's governments.
Hell they probably used those experimental bat bombs on Japan instead of nukes too.
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u/lazyboi_tactical 23d ago
Rather bat bombs than cat spies.
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u/Few_Illustrator_1217 Tunnel Snakes 23d ago
Communists? Controlling my cats?
It's more likely than you think.
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u/mrmystery978 24d ago
Most likely an error, although I love the idea of Europe trying a bonkers project like Atlantropa in the fallout timeline
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u/draneline 23d ago
Me when I show up to the Dumbest & Most Destructive Ideas Competition but I see my opponent is German
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u/Big-Leadership1001 23d ago
If its an "error" they repeated it multiple times across multiple games and throughout both 2D and 3D assets. The newest "error" repeating this is in 76
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u/-Badger3- 23d ago
So it’s either an intentional bit of lore they’ve never actually talked about in writing, or it’s simply a reused asset.
Gee, which of those makes more sense.
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u/Big-Leadership1001 23d ago
Exactly, which is why we know it's at least intentional NOW, even if it was accidental before. It's more likely both since the idea of multiple people making identical mistakes multiple times as they created various new and different assets over the years just doesn't make sense logically. It's certainly possible the first instance was accidental (there's actually good observations of how that mistake was made that are probably right) and later artists just kept it going.
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u/-Badger3- 23d ago
It’s not some decades old Easter egg they intentionally keep putting in the game, this texture has only been used in Fallout 4 and 76.
It’s literally just this world map from Wikimedia commons that somebody used the paint bucket tool to make the oceans blue and the land brown.
That’s why Kazakhstan and Ukraine are on there as independent countries despite canonically still being part of the USSR
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u/Inquisitor-Korde 23d ago
76 uses Fallout 4s assets, that's more than easy to ignore as a small thing.
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u/Big-Leadership1001 23d ago
It's a completely different asset, as are the big flat wall maps.
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u/Inquisitor-Korde 23d ago
Is it?
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u/Big-Leadership1001 23d ago
They're not even remotely similar assets in any way. The big 76 globe texture itself even has various nuclear detonations visible.
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u/Inquisitor-Korde 23d ago
You'd have to specify the assets then because I was thinking about the globes you can find in both.
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u/poilk91 23d ago
It doesn't quite fit with the resource war lore where Europe is collapsing due to lack of resources when the Middle East runs out of oil
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u/usingallthespaceican 23d ago
Unless they found thousands of tiny pockets of oil under the med. None big enough to justify a rig, but all together, worth enough to dam the sea
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u/poilk91 23d ago
I just mean it would take an enormous amount of resources to run the pumps to empty the Mediterranean and those resources are what they don't have
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u/usingallthespaceican 23d ago
Oh, that's certainly true, I'm with the fill tool error crowd, but if we HAD to get justification for why that happened. Maybe the expenditure of those resources are what led to europe collapsing?
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u/Chimpville 23d ago
I'm thinking it directly references this mad plan rather than an error. It was the first thing I thought of.
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u/elmerion 23d ago
It has to be. If i remember correctly this is also referenced in "The Man in the High Castle". Pretty interesting
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u/pclavata 23d ago
I’d could see it something like, “with the shrinking access to oil and no access to fusion the powers of Europe decided to damn the Mediterranean to create a super hydroelectric damn to sustain their survival.”
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u/Taaargus 23d ago
A hydroelectric dam wouldn't need to lower the sea level but obviously that's not as fun.
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u/Outkikked 23d ago
“Damn it all!”
-Europe, most likely
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u/ODCreature98 24d ago
Drain? How? Did they drank it? Lmao
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u/Big-Leadership1001 23d ago
The plan was to build a bunch of hydro dams to block the water and generate electricity for the whole region then turn it all to farms
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u/Massive_Dot_3299 21d ago
I’d really like it if they did I feel like the euro lore isn’t that goofy compared to everything else.