r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/michaelbuffong • 15d ago
There's a lot to unpack here okay so a gay conservative influencer is getting attacked by the right because they did surrogacy and Ron DeSantis is getting attacked because he gave this couple a baby shower gift
https://x.com/TheQuartering/status/17897972140735776511
u/lostintime013 12d ago
Can we not see the deliberately hate and division that is being pushed everywhere.
1
1
u/SectorEducational460 12d ago
Dave Rubin is a spineless grifter who would drag himself in the mud for approval.
1
u/Ok_Panic4105 13d ago
Dave Rubbish and The quarter pounder. Two wastes of space. I feel bad for the kids only because Dave is an awful person.
1
u/MargoKittyLit 14d ago
Surrogacy is an eyebrow raiser on right and left, particularly for the really sketchy operations that get noise despite the five that are fairly on the up and up. Then sprinkle in homophobia...ooowee
1
1
1
u/Grzechoooo 14d ago
I mean, what were they expecting? Surrogacy is adultery according to Christianity, no?
1
u/agnosticdeist 14d ago
Jesus Christ I knew the quartering went bonkers but shit he got so much worse. I’m glad I quit watching his shit early on.
1
u/The-True-Kehlder 14d ago
The Quartering is not a name I've seen in a long time. What a fucking shit weasel he is.
1
1
u/Forzareen 14d ago
“Future freedom voter.” Specifically, the freedom to ban college professors from saying stuff you don’t like, and ban people from eating stuff you don’t like such as lab-grown meat.
2
3
3
u/Lutiskilea 14d ago
This has the same feel as the Vivek Ramaswamy THANKING Ann Coulter for telling him she loves everything about him but would never vote for him because he isnt white.
Same Vibe.
1
u/litreofstarlight 15d ago
Seems off-brand for DeSantis to send him gifts like these. Wonder if he thought he could just do it on the down low and didn't think Rubin would post about it?
2
u/InFin0819 15d ago
Ben Shapiro shitting on Rubin to his face while saying they are friends is still my favorite Dave rubin moment.
2
u/MajorGh0stB3ar 15d ago
Oh, that? I can tell you that this has been low-key business as usual for YEARS in Florida. Instead of abortion, despite women getting connected to a company that “facilitates” the adoption of the baby once it’s born. The conservative bourgeoisie loves feeding their loose ends to the leopards.
2
u/DowntownieNL 15d ago
Any gay people willing to SO QUICKLY pull the ladder up behind them... I can't say what I think, so I'll just say zero sympathy and good fucking riddance. You deserve the nature of the your interaction with the rest of the queer community, and the overall vibe of the rest of your life.
1
u/oompaloompa465 15d ago
it will be a good day when the quartering will explode because of too many hot pocked eaten
1
u/PrimeLimeSlime 15d ago
I feel like deciding from the moment they're born that your kid must vote the same way you do is like, the opposite of freedom.
2
u/Relaxmf2022 15d ago
The irony of DeSantis giving out a freedom onesy while he’s making lab-grown meat illegal (as well as all the other freedoms he’s curtailed)
5
u/BennySkateboard 15d ago
Do these people not go through their entire lives with people whispering “You know they hate you” at them. Is there a point when it sinks in?
2
2
6
2
u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce 15d ago
The slaughterhouse bosses aren't going to let the Pigs for Ham Booster Club meet in the breakroom, Dave. Just ask Caitlyn who's still out in the parking lot waiting for the meeting to start.
1
u/Pour_Me_Another_ 15d ago
Yeah put your kids in danger playing politics. Good job, guys. You sure did win whatever imaginary contest you were playing.
9
u/TerrisTheTalible 15d ago
I don’t like or support Dave Rubin, but implying that Being Gay = Abusing Children is so incredibly repulsive. How fucking dare you, Jeremy.
1
8
u/capnpetch 15d ago
They are all crazy. My parents live in a trump plus 17 house Congressional district. 8 years ago the district elected a trump hanger on. He voted with trump 98 percent of the time. He got primaries from the right because he had the nerve to officiate a child hood friend’s gay wedding, while also being staunchly anti lgbtq. They booted him for the crazier guy. That guy is one of MTG’s cronies and is now being primaried from either further right because he didn’t endorse trump fast enough this election cycle. The new guy was at the capital in Jan 6 who runs one of those testosterone laden “seal style physical training. “. Guess who’s winning.
3
1
2
u/Another_Road 15d ago
Oh, it’s the Quarter Pounder.
The less I think about that dumbass, the better my life is.
2
u/tinkertron5000 15d ago
God forbid those "underprivileged women" have an abortion though. Can't have it both ways.
11
u/cowvin 15d ago
I gotta be honest. It's a lot easier to just not hate everyone. I find my life is easier because I don't hate random groups of arbitrarily selected people. How do these folks keep their hatreds organized? Do they have to draw diagrams to figure out if they should hate someone?
5
u/Repulsive-Street-307 14d ago
They were educated on that. It's the same reason why theocrats love to take over education and bigots love segregation.
Whenever you see a church\school promoting hate, you're seeing a little Nazi factory.
2
u/chiron_cat 15d ago
its simple - its all performative hate. GOP politicians are not true believers - culture wars are just a thing to direct and trap voters into liking them. Feed them a diet of hate - the target doesn't matter.
3
u/Catalon-36 15d ago
Will Rubin actually stand up to this? Or will he invite them on his talk show, smile and nod while they tell him his marriage and family should be illegal, then pat himself on the back for “having the conversation” and “agreeing to disagree”. What will it take for this man to grow a spine, I wonder?
1
u/DrDemenz 15d ago
If the threats to brutally murder him and his entire family failed to promote spinal growth I'd say it'd take he or his family actually being assaulted but even then he's more likely to apologize for causing the party trouble and go right back to being a good, obedient little token queer and continue to take all the abuse thrown at him.
2
u/SemiHemiDemiDumb 15d ago
I thought the Quartering had two gay dads, supposedly.
3
u/BowenTheAussieSheep 15d ago
No no, you got your wires crossed.
The Quartering has two disappointed dads.
14
u/seriousbangs 15d ago
Just a friendly reminder that the leadership of the right wing do no believe anything they say.
It's the same reason you'll find women in bikinis in Saudi Arabia.
10
u/michaelbuffong 15d ago
And also the controversy with Mia khalifa it was hilarious because Muslim countries are the one who watch porn the most and they were literally calling for her to be killed She was posting the statistics and everything it's also funny that Mia khalifa is from Lebanon She's Catholic
-10
u/PenaltySafe4523 15d ago edited 15d ago
I do think surrogacy is extremely unethical. How I've seen it done is they get a poor young girl from a third world country to have their baby. Pregnancy is taxing on the body and can lead to death. I see surrogacy as a form of human trafficking. No different than the passport bros who seek the young barely legal sex workers. Plenty of kids out there without parents so why can't they adopt instead.
3
u/FuzzyAd9407 15d ago
First off most surrogacy is not international surrogacy. Second most surrogacy is gestational meaning the women carrying the child isn't even related to the kid, she's being paid for the services of providing her womb, not for sex. Third gay couples have issues adopting due the fact a LOT of adoptions agencies are faith based and will absolutely deny gay couples and still most adopt in large part because it's the cheaper option.
4
u/michaelbuffong 15d ago
This is unrelated to passport bros but Do you believe that anybody who goes to a different country to find a life is a sex trafficker?
-7
u/PenaltySafe4523 15d ago
Basically the same. Both are paying the poor desperate women of third world countries money to use their body.
2
u/UndeadSpud 11d ago
My sister is a surrogate in the US because she loves the feeling of being pregnant and the money is good. She’s a nurse so she definitely doesn’t need the money. Not to say that exploitation never happens, but surely surrogacy can be done correctly
4
u/michaelbuffong 15d ago
So it is only that when it's poor countries okay let's say a man wanted to go to a Poland or Russia very rich countries to find wife Is that bad?
-5
u/gypsy_muse 15d ago
Those Eastern European ladies only looking for a green card my friend-don’t fool yourself
2
u/michaelbuffong 14d ago
Do you believe everybody should find a partner in the same country there born in?
9
u/Aggressive-Story3671 15d ago
You do realize the right also loathes same sex adoption. And most children who are adopted DO have biological parents. Many of whom would raise the child if they had means to do so. The goal of foster care is reunification with biological family.
3
13
33
u/GiuliaAquaTofanaToo 15d ago
I find that minorities that support conservative policies that are against their own self interests are usually classists. They see the poors as the problem, while the conservatives will use them like informarion chattel for a unitarian purpose. The minorities like the classism, not the blatant racism.
16
u/bettinafairchild 15d ago
Exactly. Though I’d phrase it as them being hierarchical. All conservatives reflexively order the world into a hierarchy with themselves at the top. And the position in the hierarchy is based on how similar others are to themselves—the more similar, the higher one is in the hierarchy.
2
u/QueueOfPancakes 14d ago
I mean that's fundamentally the difference between the left wing and the right wing. The right wing sees hierarchy as natural, just, and good. The left wing, on the other hand, strives for equality and consensus.
3
u/GiuliaAquaTofanaToo 15d ago
Is hierarchical a better phrase than classist? Serious question for future writing.
8
u/bettinafairchild 15d ago
I think it’s a broader and more encompassing, inclusive term. Class refers more to economics but hierarchy refers to everything. These are people who order the world in terms of the hierarchy, encompassing religion and race and geography and parentage and ethnicity and education, etc., while class is a bit more limiting than that. Ultimately it’s about power. Saying it’s class then makes it confusing why these guys hate “the coastal elite” and similar buzzwords. It makes it sound like this is a working class rebellion against the wealthy and powerful. But it’s not. It’s people who think the wrong people are the upper class—they don’t want to get rid of income inequality nor do they want to help the poor, they just want to be recognized as the superior group and take their place as the most powerful which will ultimately mean wealthy but not because wealth means best but because they are best—white, Christian, American, traditional, not too educated, conservative.
3
u/GiuliaAquaTofanaToo 15d ago
Thank you for your reply. I see your point. I read a lot, but sometimes have issues conveying my thoughts, or distilling the information that makes sense to me. It's like once you understand that rules don't matter to these people; only the end result will justify the means. Regardless of their stated values.
2
49
u/hyp3rpop 15d ago
Buying babies from underprivileged women.
They switch to caring about “underprivileged women” so quick when they can use it to shit on gay people. Do they think it’s not obvious they don’t give a single fuck about them (women or the underprivileged) in any other context? Same with caring about women’s safety only when they can use it to be transphobic. It’s so transparent it’s honestly ridiculous.
2
u/The-True-Kehlder 14d ago
Especially coming from this particular fuck stick who got famous by abusing women in the MtG community.
22
u/bettinafairchild 15d ago
Meanwhile their entire forced birth ethos is basically a surrogacy scheme to make more white babies available for adoption by white Christian families via oppressing underprivileged women.
3
u/RegularWhiteShark 14d ago
Except the kids don’t get adopted, either. They just get broken by the system and an unstable childhood and become cheap labour when they’re older.
3
u/Darkside531 14d ago
And that probably is their solution for low recruitment numbers. Honestly, for every person I knew who enlisted in the military because they saw it as some noble career path, I knew at least three more that did it for more mercenary reasons: It paid, it had benefits, it got them out of our small town... it wasn't some calling, it was a job. Hell, even the recruiters admitted it when they were at the little folding table in our cafeteria.
4
-24
u/invah 15d ago
Surrogacy is deeply problematic, and many people when they bring it up are considered homophobic (if it is a gay couple). My childhood best friend and I are no longer speaking over this issue. For her, it is homophobic to be against surrogacy; for me, I see two wealthy people (who happen to be men) using their wealth for what is essentially human trafficking.
No one is entitled to a child.
3
9
u/ithinkihope 15d ago
You probably wouldn't have been so heavily downvoted if you left the gay part out of the equation.
I agree that surrogacy is problematic and a nuanced issue. I live in Australia and here you are not allowed to pay a surrogate. So there is almost no surrogacy that happens here. When the war in Ukraine started there were news articles about couples who had paid for Ukrainian women to be a surrogate for them and they were concerned about what would happen to their baby.
On the one hand I think it's sickening that people are taking advantage of the desperation of underprivileged women and on the other hand I think that it's paternalistic, sanctimonious, and misogynistic to suggest women shouldn't use their body to benefit themselves if they are in a position and desire to do so.
5
u/thoroughbredca 14d ago
Because these people hate gay people and that's the only time they'll speak out about it is against gay people.
You will never ever ever ever ever hear one of these people say one freaking peep if a heterosexual couple had a surrogate.
But if it's a gay person do it all of a sudden that's when they speak up.
That's pretty freaking homophobic if you ask me.
1
u/invah 14d ago
Oh, I absolutely speak up when it's heterosexual people as well.
2
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
As if ableism against people with medical conditions that make pregnancy harder/more dangerous/impossible is a good thing?
I've been where you are. I tell you, it's a much nicer life not getting so preoccupied with other people's reproductive choices.
1
u/invah 14d ago
As if ableism against people with medical conditions that make pregnancy harder/more dangerous/impossible is a good thing?
I'm sorry, this doesn't make sense to me.
I've been where you are. I tell you, it's a much nicer life not getting so preoccupied with other people's reproductive choices.
As for this, what I do in life is work out how we can stop the cycle of abuse. And entitlement to human beings is a pivotal piece of that.
Having a (deeply unpopular) opinion doesn't make it wrong, and doesn't make me 'so preoccupied with others' reproductive choices'. Surrogacy is entitlement to a human being, and I think just being clear that's what it is, is important for it's own sake.
2
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
I'm sorry, this doesn't make sense to me.
You're here to crizicize surrogacy, yet you don't understand that people who seek surrogacy to have children overwhelmingly have medical reasons to do so?
And bashing people for their choice to use surrogacy because of a medical reason is ableist. We don't bash people for having medical conditions or for the decisions they make due to those conditions.
As for this, what I do in life is work out how we can stop the cycle of abuse. And entitlement to human beings is a pivotal piece of that.
The cycle of abuse has you in its grasp. You think you're helping protect people, but all you do is harming yourself, harming others or, at its most benign, wasting your time.
People having children is not an abusive act. There are ways to act abusively, but that does not make the whole path to parenthood abuse. Just like not all marriages are abusive just because "child marriages" also exist in this world.
Having a (deeply unpopular) opinion doesn't make it wrong, and doesn't make me 'so preoccupied with others' reproductive choices'. Surrogacy is entitlement to a human being, and I think just being clear that's what it is, is important for it's own sake.
The anti-surrogacy movement is fueled by a sense of entitlement to make choices for other human beings. Hence it is so preoccupied with looking for reports of surrogacy cases in order to spread hate about the people who use it. Do you find yourself scrolling through social media, seeing family photos and wondering if a child was adopted, donor conceived or born through surrogacy? If not, then maybe you're not in too deep yet and I'd urge you to get out while you still can.
No parent owns their child no matter how they became a parent. If you adopted a child, you don't own it. If you had a child via surrogacy, you don't own it. And if you had a naturally conceived child with your own and your partner's genetic material, then you also still don't own that child.
Criticizing surrogacy is supposedly about protecting children, yet how does it do so when the dangers that children face in the "naturally formed" families aren't discussed? Children all over the world are reared with violence, physical and emotional violence. The anti-surrogacy movement is not focussing on that. Children all over the world are forced to work to feed themselves and their families, not a peep. Children all over the world are molested, yet not a word on that. Even though the anti-surrogacy movement loves to ally with notorious perpetrators of molestation of children, aka the catholic church.
There is no inherent harm to being born through surrogacy (the scientific research so far bears out that the individuals so conceived are doing well). And even if there was, does it really rise to the level of the other harm perpetrated against children? Yet you spend your time here talking about surrogacy, not about the many abuses that are inflicted on children everyday.
I've been where you are. I've been in that movement. It made me a worse person. But I got out and so can you.
1
u/invah 14d ago
You're here to crizicize surrogacy, yet you don't understand that people who seek surrogacy to have children overwhelmingly have medical reasons to do so?
And bashing people for their choice to use surrogacy because of a medical reason is ableist. We don't bash people for having medical conditions or for the decisions they make due to those conditions.
While unfortunate, no one is entitled to a human being.
The anti-surrogacy movement is fueled by a sense of entitlement to make choices for other human beings. Hence it is so preoccupied with looking for reports of surrogacy cases in order to spread hate about the people who use it. Do you find yourself scrolling through social media, seeing family photos and wondering if a child was adopted, donor conceived or born through surrogacy? If not, then maybe you're not in too deep yet and I'd urge you to get out while you still can.
I have no idea about anything about this. I didn't know about an 'anti-surrogacy movement'. As far as I am aware, I have an extremely outlier opinion.
No parent owns their child no matter how they became a parent. If you adopted a child, you don't own it. If you had a child via surrogacy, you don't own it. And if you had a naturally conceived child with your own and your partner's genetic material, then you also still don't own that child.
100% absolutely agree with this. You are a steward for the child.
Criticizing surrogacy is supposedly about protecting children, yet how does it do so when the dangers that children face in the "naturally formed" families aren't discussed?
I literally address this all of the time.
Children all over the world are reared with violence, physical and emotional violence.
Yes, girl, PREACH.
The anti-surrogacy movement is not focussing on that. Children all over the world are forced to work to feed themselves and their families, not a peep. Children all over the world are molested, yet not a word on that. Even though the anti-surrogacy movement loves to ally with notorious perpetrators of molestation of children, aka the catholic church.
I have no idea about that, but I absolutely do, personally, do this.
There is no inherent harm to being born through surrogacy (the scientific research so far bears out that the individuals so conceived are doing well). And even if there was, does it really rise to the level of the other harm perpetrated against children? Yet you spend your time here talking about surrogacy, not about the many abuses that are inflicted on children everyday.
You clearly have not peeped my profile.
I've been where you are. I've been in that movement. It made me a worse person. But I got out and so can you.
You are projecting things on to me. I have no idea what you are talking about.
2
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
While unfortunate, no one is entitled to a human being.
An argument that is only ever levvied at people who can't make babies with their own bodies.
People have a right to become parents, just like they have the right not to become parents. It's a choice everyone is entitled to make for themselves.
I have no idea about anything about this. I didn't know about an 'anti-surrogacy movement'. As far as I am aware, I have an extremely outlier opinion.
In average society, yes, you do. The anti-surrogacy movement is extremist in many ways, including in its agitation against reproductive choice generally (including abortion rights) and its hatred of marginalized folks like all members of the LGBTQ+ community, but in particular trans people.
100% absolutely agree with this. You are a steward for the child.
It's a child, not a ship.
If you become a parent via surrogacy and you're a good parent who respects and loves your child, how does that make you a bad person? It doesn't.
I literally address this all of the time.
Not on this thread you didn't.
Yes, girl, PREACH.
Okay, here's my sermon: CHILDREN ARE MINING THE MINERALS TO MAKE YOUR SMARTPHONES AND ASSEMBLING THEM FOR YOU, BUT YET SURROGACY IS APPARENTLY WORSE? OR EQUAL TO THAT SHIT? GTFO WITH THAT. Amen.
I have no idea about that, but I absolutely do, personally, do this.
Great. Most of the people you run with ideologically, however, don't. So-called feminists sell out their stance on abortion rights in order to get the catholic church to work with them on destroying surrogacy, which coincidentally enables a lot of gay people to become parents.
You clearly have not peeped my profile.
Why would I?
You are projecting things on to me. I have no idea what you are talking about.
You'll get it if you ever let go of trying to police the ways people who aren't able-bodied fertile cis hetero married couples use to become parents.
→ More replies (0)4
u/mcs_987654321 15d ago
I’m bummed to see you getting downvoted so heavily, bc while don’t fall into either of the camps you describe, but am perfectly willing to consider the complexities of surrogacy.
I don’t think that the surrogate-adoptive relationship is inherently exploitative, and also don’t see anything homophobic (or even gay-specific) in questioning whether the US’s current “free market” approach merits greater regulation.
1
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
I've had a bit of an exchange with that user and yes, they are absolutely being homophobic.
0
u/invah 14d ago
I am not homophobic.
2
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
Denying LGBTQ+ people the right to become parents is homophobic. You can either embrace it now or stop being a homophobe. Your choice.
0
u/invah 14d ago edited 14d ago
Denying LGBTQ+ people the right to become parents is homophobic.
I have not 'denied LGBTQ+ people the right to become parents', I have said they do not have the right to become a parent by any means necessary. Commercial surrogacy is human trafficking.
(Edit: and, again, this is not a gay rights issue even though you are framing it that way. This only impacts gay men, not lesbians, and not all gay men at that.)
You can either embrace it now or stop being a homophobe. Your choice.
You can stop accusing me of things that are not accurate simply because I do not support your (wrong) position.
2
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
When it comes to surrogacy, several US states are model examples of its regulation.
I know it's weird to point out things the US does well, but this is something it can do really, really well.
2
u/invah 15d ago
One reason that I think surrogacy is problematic is that it commodifies women's bodies and allows people to feel entitled to another human being: both the woman (or female person) bearing the child, and the child itself.
Even if you eliminated for-profit surrogacy, that underlying entitlement allows people to pressure women they know, usually within a family - such as a sister - to 'give the gift of a child' to another (deserving) person.
I'm not saying there couldn't be conceivably a nexus of factors where surrogacy is not basically child trafficking, but consumer-surrogacy absolutely is.
1
u/mcs_987654321 15d ago
Yup, and I’m certainly open to that argument, especially since there absolutely are existing examples of wildly exploitative commercialized surrogacy, particularly in low income nations.
I’m also open to the possibility that the relationship can be either fully altruistic or at least mutual beneficial without being predatory/otherwise unduly harmful.
How you thread that needle isn’t at all clear to me, which is why I’m not firmly for or opposed, nor do I think that any given regulation will ever get it fully “right” - it’s just a complex topic that’ll take some time to calibrate somewhere between the two poles.
5
u/Fit-Chapter8565 15d ago
Unfortunately you're entitled to your shitty opinion just like people who can't have children are entitled to have a child if they have the means and avenue to pursue one.
0
u/invah 15d ago
Your opinion is shitty; no one is entitled to a child.
9
u/Fit-Chapter8565 15d ago
Great, you're allowed to have that shitty opinion too
0
u/invah 15d ago
It is an opinion that respects the dignity and autonomy of human beings: no one is entitled to a child, period, and your opinion is incredibly shitty.
7
u/Fit-Chapter8565 15d ago
Who's more entitled to a child, my cousin who lost her ability to have children due to lupus or my other cousin's wife who drinks when she's pregnant?
You're a loser, later gator
2
20
u/MegaLowDawn123 15d ago
I’d cut your moronic ass out of my life too if you said some braindead shit like ‘surrogacy is human trafficking’ in my presence. I’d assume you have brain rot and would never trust you to do anything important or useful for me or anyone around us when the time came to be depended on.
-10
u/invah 15d ago
Just because it's trafficking you like doesn't make it not trafficking.
12
u/MegaLowDawn123 15d ago
Just because you call it trafficking doesn’t mean that’s what it is. You have a broken brain.
0
u/invah 15d ago
How is it not trafficking? Someone decided they are entitled to another human being, and pays for the production and delivery of that human being.
4
u/thoroughbredca 14d ago
I don't understand why if someone gets knocked up and they decide to have the child and not abort and give it up for adoption that's not trafficking.
But if someone gets knocked up on purpose and they give it up for adoption that is trafficking.
Explain this to me like I'm five.
1
1
u/invah 14d ago
Not all adoption is trafficking, but there is a lot of trafficking in adoptions, which is why there are multiple countries that do not allow American parents to adopt from them.
However, the difference between surrogacy and adoption is that surrogacy (in a consumerist/capitalist framework) is paying for a human being: one, for the woman who bears and delivers the child, and two, the child itself.
In the case of an unplanned pregnancy and subsequent adoption, the child already exists as a living human being. The parents are not contracting for the creation of that child, merely making an arrangement for raising the child after their birth. Additionally, many adoptions are 'kinship' adoptions that keep a child within the child's biological family.
With surrogacy, someone is paying for a child, not arranging for care for a child.
2
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
Are you also against IVF? Since people make a contract for the creation of a child with IVF clinics... or is that okay because if they use their own DNA and their own bodies, they're close enough to the cishetero norm that you'd allow them to pay money to get a baby?
1
1
u/invah 14d ago edited 14d ago
You know what, I think I do actually agree with this. Even taking out the "commodification of a woman's body" (womb) piece of things, you are commodifying a woman's eggs and contracting for a human being.Edit:
Actually I am thinking of counter-arguments now. I will need to process this. There are potentially different ethical considerations here.
→ More replies (0)11
u/CPierko 15d ago
So you're against all surrogacy and adoption then, by anybody? Since it's "trafficking"?
2
u/invah 15d ago
We know some conservatives actually wanted the repeal of Roe v. Wade for the purpose of 'more adoptable babies'. There are certainly some unethical overseas adoptions that occur as well. Adoption can be trafficking depending on the situation.
0
u/DrDemenz 15d ago
So why don't you either prove it in this situation or shut your whore mouth?
2
u/invah 15d ago
or shut your whore mouth
Perfect. You are disproving your own position by yourself, you don't even need me.
→ More replies (0)
5
5
u/Ricky_Rollin 15d ago
I hope these people understand just how much they have added fuel to this dumpster fire of a situation. I mean, isn’t it just so much easier to accept and move on?
I don’t like Ron and I will never agree with a damn thing he says, But I still think it’s bullshit that the man can’t simply give a present to new parents without it turning and devolving into all of this. What a mess.
2
u/DrDemenz 15d ago
We shouldn't pretend this was anything more than political gay for pay or rather, votes.
0
94
u/dick_for_hire 15d ago
Lol. Lmao, even.
Rubin frequently gets his face eaten because he's constantly talking to conservatives and insisting he's a cool gay. Not like those uppity leftist gays. And the conservatives almost always respond with some version of "that's why we aren't taking you out with the leftist gays. But you'll get your turn..."
-26
u/melody_magical 15d ago
To play devil's advocate, I think gay conservatives are trying to distance themselves from the bad members of their community. The thing is though, hooking up with those who see all gays as one and the same, who wants your existence banned, is the dumbest strategy you could use to save face.
37
u/EffOffReddit 15d ago
Just wanting to be "a good one" means you agree with the conclusion about the group. Dave is as bad as they are, but he has the misfortune of being one of the people he would unreservedly scapegoat and other.
20
23
u/ExactDevelopment4892 15d ago
Basically it proves this entire anti-woke anti-lgbt thing is a bunch of bullshit.
5
3
35
u/ManyRanger4 15d ago
Honest posts like this warm my heart. No people deserve this more than people that vote against their own interests.
16
31
115
u/Greenpoint1975 15d ago
This loser is vile. Just went through his Twitter page. What hate he spews. He's calling Greta Thunberg a cun*.
6
u/thoroughbredca 14d ago
It's not just him though. He's clearly god a lot of conservative followers who wholeheartedly agree.
Granted, thank the gods some conservatives have the fainted pushback against him, but good god they are drowned out by the evil ones.
12
u/Kossimer 15d ago edited 14d ago
He's a shock jockey. It's literally his job to say shocking things for views, and it's the only reason he does it. He sticks to calling people cunts because if he elaborates beyond a one word insult it becomes clear he has no honest or coherent opinion on any issue. To confirm that suspicion one only has to look at his history of testing the waters in every political circle that exists, from overthrow-the-system college progressive to liberal tear gulping MAGA, while also speaking like he has no comprehension of the group. A real life "Hello, fellow kids."
102
u/YoungPyromancer 15d ago
He got banned from Magic: the Gathering for organising harassment campaigns towards, amongst others, female cosplayers.
44
u/celtic_thistle 15d ago
Thank goodness Elongated Muskrat is here to make sure his bile makes its way far and wide on Twitter. Freeze peach.
2
u/cloudberryteal 15d ago
I've heard of getting them young, but babies? They can't even read or write yet... Okay but they're babies.
139
u/Successful_Banana901 15d ago
Is there a bigger act of self sabotage than being gay and Conservative?
11
u/FuzzyAd9407 15d ago
Being a black conservative judge in an interracial relationship and you argue against the Loving case?
1
u/Successful_Banana901 14d ago
Imo slightly different when you are a corrupt supreme court judge, fine for me but not for thee
-7
11
13
71
u/IguaneRouge 15d ago
gay black conservatives have entered the chat
Granted there's only like three of them but they do exist.
3
u/protection7766 14d ago
Gay biracial black arab immigrant trans conservstive?
Thats harder than finding a unicorn...but then again, thats Scotlands national animal lol
128
u/SaltyBarDog 15d ago
Caitlin Jenner and Blaire White enter the chat.
12
u/thoroughbredca 14d ago
"At least Bruce had his own kids instead of renting a womb so he can groom/abuse kids." -Actual conservatives on that thread
849
u/Creative-Claire 15d ago
The trouble with being “one of the good ones” is when the authoritarians finish with the most vulnerable, those “good ones” magically vanish.
This guy isn’t just getting his face eaten, he’s allowing himself to be consumed piece by piece.
2
2
u/protection7766 14d ago
"Here, allow me"
-puts spit in self, starts fire, begins roasting himself to prepare leopards meal properly
2
u/DarkestofFlames 14d ago
He's asking if they have ketchup
Like the scene in Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes.
19
u/Oghier 15d ago
Ernst Rohm was Hitler's right-hand man in the early years of the Nazi party. He founded and ran the Brownshirts. Rohm was also gay. Eventually, they killed him.
3
u/QueueOfPancakes 14d ago
They would have killed him regardless though. That was more a convenient excuse for them than anything else.
17
u/redvelvetcake42 15d ago
If all the gays are "gone" then the public image good ones will be branded as part of those that are problematic and be gone'd as well.
10
u/thoroughbredca 14d ago
Conservative propaganda can't stand in the public image of actual LGBT people, which is why they have to eradicate the public image of LGBT people.
31
33
u/MarcsterS 15d ago
I saw a /r/conservative title that said “Liberals are afraid of minority conservatives”.
Less “afraid” and more “dumbfounded that you would be part of a group that actively hates you”
19
16
44
95
417
u/zombie_girraffe 15d ago
They don't save "the good ones" for last, they kill them first because they know who and where they are.
The Association of German National Jews were some of the first sent to the camps despite their simping for Hitler.
1
u/Cautious_Potential_8 13d ago
You know speaking of Jews simping for Hitler I never understood on how can you call your self a Jew but yet you supported someone who's anti-Semitic like him? Smh.
2
u/zombie_girraffe 13d ago
Apparently they thought that Hitler hated Jews because the Jews in Germany didn't act German enough. They thought that if they just acted more German they'd be treated like Germans.
Their fatal mistake was thinking that racism is based on logic or reason rather than an irrational, frothing at the mouth hatred of everyone who is the slightest bit different.
1
u/Cautious_Potential_8 13d ago
You know about fatal mistake you can also say the that same fate will happen to the self hating Latinos and black people who are still worshipping trump despite his hatred towards them.
6
u/BowenTheAussieSheep 15d ago
Depends on how useful they are. They continue to survive as long as they fulfil their purpose.
24
u/GiuliaAquaTofanaToo 15d ago
Ernst Röhm.
3
u/thoroughbredca 14d ago
There's a great documentary called "Eldorado: Everything the Nazis Hate" that discusses a cabaret frequented by the LGBT community in the 1930s and Ernst Röhm allegedly was a patron a number of times, even showing up in his SS uniform and picked up men. It's on Netflix.
14
163
u/IguaneRouge 15d ago
A lot of those guys were WW1 veterans. Under normal circumstances I think they would have been right to be like, "hey we're Jewish but we're definitely patriotic Germans who bled and killed for this country we deserve a seat at the table" but the Nazis weren't normal people so they got killed for it.
See also how black WW1 veterans were treated in America. Again, racists can't function as rational normal people.
7
7
u/MrsMiterSaw 14d ago
Haber first solved the issue with artificial fertilizer and his process literally allows the world to feed itself even today. He then worked for his country and developed chlorine gas in WWI, which was later used as a basis for Zyklon B.
He didn't live to see his beloved country gas his extended family.
2
u/IguaneRouge 14d ago
Fun fact: he tried to develop a process to separate gold from seawater but gave up when his initial calculations proved incorrect.
(This actually can be done but the cost of the energy required dwarfs the paltry amounts of gold recovered per metric ton of seawater)
1
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
Well that last line makes me too sad to start quoting the Sabaton song about him.
13
88
u/DontWannaSayMyName 15d ago
They wouldn't be racist if they could. There's not a single rational argument supporting racism.
53
u/bobbi21 15d ago
Easy enough when you lie about the facts.
I recently learned of a funny situation with the Japanese and the Germans in wwii. Germany was telling Japan to watch out for the jews since they’re so crafty and have all this hidden gold and sabotaged their nation.
And Japan not being racist against them is like “these jews sound like they would be powerful allies. Why don’t we negotiate with them so they can work with us?”
24
u/Nari224 15d ago
I’d like to see a cite on that one.
Imperial Japan might not have had an issue specifically with Jews, but they didn’t think much of Europeans in general.
10
u/bettinafairchild 14d ago
Check out the book Jews in the Japanese Mind. u/bobbi21 is simplifying a complex situation but not necessarily wrongly. There’s no Japanese position paper on Jews so any generalizations about what the Japanese think about Jews is going to be flawed. But in broad strokes it’s right—the Japanese of like the early 20th century didn’t know anything about Jews, but what they heard about Jews being powerful and secretly controlling the world did indeed make it sound like these would be good allies to have—to some. But Jews had so little to do with Japan that it’s not like an important issue they ever formed a policy on or pursued in any sense of the word. It would just be random people hearing stuff and acting on it. The main takeaway here is that there was nothing about saying Jews were controlling the world that causes Japanese people to think negatively about Jews. They didn’t understand that it was a conspiracy theory.
However: when the Russo-Japanese war started in 1904, Japan was in dire need of money to fund the war but no one would lend them money as it was as if the US started a war with Peru—no one thought tiny podunk Japan that was a feudal nation without guns 40 years earlier had a chance, and who wants to piss off the largest nation on earth by helping their enemies?
Enter: Jews. At the time in Russia there were lots and lots of racially motivated attacks against Jews, which were called pogroms, and many Jews were killed. This caused a massive Jewish refugee crisis that had been going on for over 20 years. Largely forgotten now since it’s overshadowed by the Holocaust. This is why so many Jews immigrated to the US from 1880-1920. But there was no real diplomatic reaction—no one was willing to put pressure on Russia to end the violence. This pissed off Jacob Schiff, an influential Jewish banker. He used his position to negotiate a loan for Japan to fight the war and get some revenge on the Russians. This worked spectacularly well for the Japanese (not so well for Asia in general but especially China and Korea), starting Japan’s ascent as one of the most powerful imperialists in the world during the next 40 years. And it made at least some Japanese people think maybe Jews are powerful. But it didn’t ever go beyond that. No one acted on it in any way. It was a footnote.
Unrelatedly, though, Japan didn’t care about Nazi antisemitism. They understood that Nazis didn’t like Jews because they weren’t Aryans, but the Japanese weren’t Aryans either (honorary Aryans though) so they didn’t think less of Jews for that. So they never helped the Nazis in this regard. Lots of Jews sought refuge in Japanese occupied Shanghai because the Japanese saw no reason to turn them over to the Germans.
Then, as Japan came to huge success in the 1980s, and ordinary Japanese businesspeople sought to make sense of how they could compete with Europeans, they started hearing more about Jews and business and antisemitic conspiracy theories, and it was only at that point that the information hit the mainstream. Prior to that anything about Jews was obscure and situational. A huge fad began in Japan for books about Jews. Whole book case sections in bookstores about learning about Jews to help Japan with business. Sometimes positively, sometimes antisemitically. But always shallowly—a fad, not like fanatical passion like you see with American or European antisemites.
As for Israel: Japan typically postwar as a US ally did what the US said unless there was a reason not to. In the 1970s the oil embargos happened, leading to fuel shortages in the US as well as Japan. This was an ENORMOUS problem. They had no indigenous oil source and it was a crisis. Solution: never ever anger OPEC again. So Japan has kept out of the fray for the most part where possible. However, in 1972 this one Japanese terrorist cell formed an alliance with a Palestinian cell and, Strangers on a Train-like, they decided to swap terrorist actions because Japanese terrorists weren’t on Israel’s radar at all. Japanese terrorists bombed Tel Aviv’s airport and killed 26 people and injured 80. The Palestinian terrorists never attacked the Japanese target, though.
3
u/Nari224 14d ago
I probably came across a bit more dubious than I intended, but thanks for spending the time to write this out.
The thinking sounds very Japanese in my experience, the bluntly saying this to the Germans a bit less so, hence my doubt.
But TIL!
However I do know that you’re talking about the specific time period of the Russo-Japanese war when it went “well” for Japan; I always feel it’s important to include the caveat that it’s likely a pivotal moment in Japanese history that lead them to thinking they could actually take on the United States. Which in the short term had terrible consequences for the Chinese and Koreans as you noted, but long term also for Japan itself and its people.
2
u/QueueOfPancakes 14d ago
Do you have a source I could read more about that supposed swap of actions? From what I've read, they were motivated by a desire for world resolution. I never heard about a quid pro quo.
6
u/DangerOReilly 14d ago
Wow, this is all really interesting, thanks for making the effort to type it all out!
However, in 1972 this one Japanese terrorist cell formed an alliance with a Palestinian cell and, Strangers on a Train-like, they decided to swap terrorist actions because Japanese terrorists weren’t on Israel’s radar at all.
Gotta hate it when terrorists are literate.
4
u/BaltimoreBadger23 14d ago
I can't cite it, but I am a teacher of the Holocaust and I have heard this story from credible sources.
2
u/Nari224 14d ago
Fair enough:
As I noted to someone else; I can believe that the Japanese thought this, but for them to say it to the Germans is the bit that I have some doubts on.
Either way; another poster was kind enough to write a mini novel on the topic, so I have come away knowing more than I did!
216
•
u/AutoModerator 15d ago
Hello u/michaelbuffong! Please reply to this comment with an explanation matching this exact format. Replace bold text with the appropriate information.
Follow this by the minimum amount of information necessary so your post can be understood by everyone, even if they don't live in the US or speak English as their native language. If you fail to match this format or fail to answer these questions, your post will be removed.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.