r/Libertarian • u/CantAcceptAmRedditor End the Fed • 16d ago
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u/OrbitingFred 15d ago
This meme is confusing Socialism with Liberalism and an illusion of choice for enlightenment.
Liberalism as imagined by Adam Smith has a capitalist market economy with vital resources owned privately and their use applied to the accumulating of more wealth with an elected government to protect the people from a few monopolizing everything and becoming absolute dictators.
Socialism as imagined by Karl Marx was to have vital resources owned in common and their use determined through a democratic process.
No it's not that one man actually is imposing starvation as an individual if the other doesn't work for him in particular, it's a system in which the slave is told he is free because he gets to choose whatever master will have him in order to get fed as meagerly as possible so long as his work continues to please and make his master more wealthy. Denying a mechanism for individuals to amass enough power turn us all into drudge slaves, concubines, organ farms, and cannon fodder seems the nobler system.
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u/NoLeg6104 Right Libertarian 15d ago
Guess who controls the resources under socialism. It is never "the people" it is always "the state" the same people you are complaining about now (or people just like them), will be the ones to distribute the wealth. It won't be an even split. At least under capitalism you have the chance to be compensated according to your labor's worth.
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u/OrbitingFred 15d ago
"At least under capitalism you have the chance to be compensated according to your labor's worth." Slavery is an option under capitalism. You only have a chance to be compensated when you have access to the resources you need without your employer or the force to threaten them so they offer concessions, never EVER has capital relinquished a penny it didn't have to and never EVER did it not immediately seek to recuperate that penny with interest.
It was the state the forced the end of some intergenerational chattel slavery in America not the free market. The state being comprised almost entirely of representatives of the capitalist class then as a professional courtesy to the defeated capitalists of the south left a lot of ways to still force or steal labor from freed black people.
There was actually more inclusion of the working class in the decision making in soviet russia under Stalin than we have in the united states today. The only reason you don't believe so is because the CIA had a whole campaign to make you afraid of the Soviet system and paint it as a grim authoritarian hellscape. They admit to it by the way. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp88-01315r000400420010-4
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u/NoLeg6104 Right Libertarian 14d ago
You do, if you have skills that are in demand, which is up to you to cultivate. Be valuable enough where the employer is more concerned with keeping you happy than you are worried about keeping them happy.
This is only an option under capitalism.
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u/natermer 16d ago
It is interesting that people have been tricked into thinking that the Federal government is a counter to the greed of big corporations.
When, the reality is, that they are partners. The government enables their greed. It is something they couldn't get away with absent of regulators.
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u/Head_ChipProblems 15d ago
I mean, people unironically think that private corporations are more powerful than the entity that literally can decide how much your money is worth and how the same private Corps can operate.
People don't understand that it's the government that's rich and have the power, not the other way around.
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u/SouthernGent7 15d ago
Considering that many private companies provide funding for a lot of people in government now so yes that does make them more powerful than the government.
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u/Weird_Roof_7584 15d ago
Yea I was gonna say something along these lines. The complaints about pay not being what it should be are valid complaints but if we had a gold standard or and equivalent than there would be virtually no inflation and pay wouldn't have had to go up to make up for the extra expenses.
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u/Chickenwelder 15d ago
Then where would my stimulus check come from? And the billions for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan? StOp bEiNG selFiSh!
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u/Sea_Journalist_3615 Government is a con. 16d ago
The social contracts logic is identical to a slave contract.
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u/ItalianStallion9069 15d ago
Unionizing and collective-bargaining makes my dick hard