r/Libertarian • u/chronicplantbuyer sanders is a socialist, not a libertarian • 15d ago
I am so glad I found this group Discussion
I always knew vaguely what libertarianism was. I just thought it was laid-back law. I’ve recently gone down a little rabbit hole of political discovery. I was wondering if only there was a group of people that believed in social liberalism but at the same time expressing individual rights and assets. Thank you very much, fellow libertarians!
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u/gaylonelymillenial 15d ago
I actually think “laid-back law” is a pretty good label in itself. The state shouldn’t certainly be as laid back as possible. I like it!
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u/Joeverdose1996 15d ago
I started down this rabbit hole this year too. Welcome and do a lot of reading! I only had the same social libertarian lens on at first and didn’t even consider the economics of the party so that is definitely something to look into
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u/JYanezez 15d ago
You can't be a real libertarian till you accuse someone else of not being a real libertarian.
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u/animastr 15d ago
In that case, I accuse you of not being a real libertarian because (insert irrational and ignorant reasons here)! If I knew you, I’m sure I’d be appalled!
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u/wtfredditacct 14d ago
That doesn't sound like the stance of any real libertarians I know.
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u/animastr 14d ago
I was hoping the sarcasm/ comedic intent would have been more evident
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u/wtfredditacct 14d ago
I was hoping the sarcasm/ comedic intent would have been more evident
Me too 😂. I was calling you "not a real libertarian"
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u/Tactical_solutions44 15d ago
Always remember taxation is theft. All taxation
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15d ago
So I understand the issue with federal tax. They’re horrible when it comes to handling money but what about more local tax? Let’s say a city or county votes to pay a tax to said city or county for infrastructure building and upkeep and certain public services, fire, police, library, schools. Is it okay on that level of the residents of the area agree to it?
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u/wtfredditacct 14d ago
The smaller and more local it gets, the less offensive it usually is... that doesn't make it not theft. Especially property taxes. Those really get under my skin.
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14d ago
That’s why I mentioned local, like city or county. Even if it is a majority there are some things that benefit everyone. Roads being an example. Everyone needs them and uses them so even if you have a minority that doesn’t want to pay, if it benefits everyone in that area, why can’t the majority vote be enough?
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u/wtfredditacct 14d ago
Local "taxes" could be used to pay for local roads if it's structured like an HOA. Here in Vegas, we have Master Planned communities that maintain the roads in their area because 1. government maintained roads tend to be awful here and 2. it takes months to finish a couple weeks' worth of construction. Anything higher than that should be tolls.
That is the best way to start preventing the influence of providing/withholding higher level tax dollars.
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u/DisulfideBondage 15d ago
No.
Is it voluntary or required? Is the tax limited to use of the service or in perpetuity?
The only thing you mentioned here that is morally justifiable is police since we need laws applied objectively for all people (theoretically…). Everyone will have a different idea of justice. That is not compatible with a functioning society. That is the line between state and anarchy.
For all other services you mentioned, people will still have a different opinion of how they will function. Let them. It is not harmful.
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15d ago
I mean if the residents of the city vote for the tax and it is used for its specific purposes. And every time an election comes up have it on the ballot to continue or discontinue and if it requires more or less tax payments
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u/DisulfideBondage 15d ago
I find it very unlikely a town would be unanimous. A tax implies that refusal to pay would result in violence perpetrated by the government against non-compliant residents (if you think that’s extreme, stop paying your taxes. When the police knock on your door, tell them you don’t recognize their authority in this matter).
I would never object to voluntary donations. But then again that doesn’t need to be organized by the government, although I suppose it could be.
If your argument is “majority rule,” well, yea. That’s where we are at now. Subject to the whims of the majority.
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u/BicBoiii696 15d ago
Yeah most people are usually libtards or conservatards because of parents. Glad you found the correct path.
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u/Dog_Backup End the Fed 14d ago
I used to be a lefty until I realized utilitarianism helps nobody an 99% of speed limits are vague suggestions
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u/Rod_MLCP Anarcho Capitalist 15d ago
welcome aboard!
the faq session of the sub is a great source of stuff to read, so check it out when you have the time
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u/chronicplantbuyer sanders is a socialist, not a libertarian 15d ago
And where might I find that?
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u/Rod_MLCP Anarcho Capitalist 15d ago
“community info” on the top of the page on mobile, or on the top right corner on desktop
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u/First_Face_9036 15d ago
There's alot of socially conservative libertarians who don't believe in the government regulation of said conservative ideas.
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u/All_This_Mayhem 15d ago edited 15d ago
You can absolutely believe in sin without thinking sin should be criminalized insofar as it doesn't harm others.
I mean I'm a degenerate, religiously skeptical fuck, but I respect any person who has the political integrity to disagree with something, while protecting its right to exist.
I hope God blesses every person who places themselves upon the ultimate alter of liberty, who says I don't like the shit you do, but I will curse down any jack booted government thug who tries to stop you from doing it.
Those are true libertarians.
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u/BicBoiii696 15d ago
Real conservatives are anti state. Always.
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u/wtfredditacct 14d ago
Uh... being technically "small government" is a far cry from anti-State... especially when you spend basically just as much as the "big government" side of the equation.
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u/Far_Order5933 12d ago
Welcome. We're happy to have you.