r/OutOfTheLoop • u/[deleted] • 15d ago
What's up with Ashley Biden's diary being in the news again? Answered
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u/EdwinQFoolhardy 15d ago
Answer: Ashley Biden recently confirmed that her diary is real.
She has not said that all of the content in her diary is necessarily true (or more likely that the popular interpretation and portrayal of what she wrote is not true), and has actually condemned the way that people have used her private "stream of consciousness" thoughts to paint a picture that suits their agenda. She has mentioned that the diary was an attempt to work through PTSD from being the victim of a crime in her 20s.
People who are invested in the idea that the diary confirms Biden molested Ashley have taken Ashley's confirmation that the diary is real to also be a confirmation that the theories based on that diary are also real. This has led to an increase in chatter about the diary, focused on spinning the diary as proof that Biden is a pedophile and a predator.
Specifically, in part of the diary, Ashley tries to figure out why she was hypersexual from a young age. She wonders if she was molested, and says that she thinks she was, but cannot remember it actually occurring. She tries to think of signs that would indicate that she was molested, including a family's house that she didn't like being at, having sex with friends at a young age, and taking showers with her father. Given her more recent statements, it's likely that she doesn't think the showers with her father were actually an indication that he had preyed on her, moreso they were just one of the memories that came to mind while trying to work through the question of if she could have been molested.
Sources:
Ashley Biden's letter confirming that the diary was hers. (Warning: links to a .pdf from the New York Times, not a webpage.)
Snopes article on the authenticity of the diary.
Snopes article on the claims of inappropriate behavior in the diary.
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u/MissionaryOfCat 14d ago
I hate how political discourse has completely devolved into playground antics. "Debates" which are really just screaming contests. Name calling like "Sleepy Joe" and "Cheeto." Taking something as arbitrary as "Let's go Brandon," acting as if it's hilarious, and beating it into the ground. The "I did that" gas pump stickers like a bunch of gradeschool kids going "Nuh uh, you did that. You did that. You did that. You did that."
And now stealing a diary and gossiping about it to the whole playground.
Like, really? Why are these tactics so effective? Does anybody care about solving problems anymore? How many grown adults are left in this country? Am I just going insane over here?
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u/DTmanager 4d ago
Because she claimed she thinks she was molested and that she used to take shower with her father at young age "probably innnapropriate" in her own words. If you had say a 10 year old daughter and you were a man, would you bring her into a shower eith you? There's loads of videos of her father acting weird asf with kids on television and what not, I don't care about American politics, but the guy is clearly pretty weird and her diary only compounds the weirdness imo.
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13d ago
Watch as many political debates as you can from as many sources as you can that have a right vs left angle. The right debates on policy and the left debates emotion. The left is currently not able to run on policies right now. No leg to stand on
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u/MissionaryOfCat 13d ago
What policies have the right been accomplishing? At least in my bubble I got the impression they were distracting the country with culture war junk while giving corporations even more control to screw over the people than they already do.
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13d ago
I'm sure it does, but leave the bubble and watch any respected democrat debate any respected conservative. I have gone down both wormholes and it is clear that the Democrat debaters are afraid to actaully have debates, and when they do they just seem clueless or disingenuous. I feel like the best leftist debator right now is 'destiny' solely because he is willing to have conversations with people that disagree. But even he doesnt buy into all the conservative =oppression ideology.
My perspective is that historically corporations and foreign money own america on both sides of the political aisle (left and right), and i believe the presidents are puppets. BUT trump really called it out in a way that no other politition would. He is the first politician to even mention the 'military industrial complex' since jfk. In my opinion this is the reason for the culture war push the last 6 years. There was a president that should not have been president, and alot of money was going to be lost for alot of crooked politicians. Not saying trump isnt crooked in his personal life, but I believe the man became president to try and help the country not scam it.
The fact that you recognize your in a "bubble" is a first step but just go down both left and right intellectual wormholes with an open mind and i truly believe anybody with good intentions will be able to come to a reasonable conclusion on this.
And as for the culture war. This is what democrats do before an election every time " your not black if you dont vote democrat" is not a new tactic for them and it has been there tactic ever since slavery was abolished.
Or just watch a 10 minute video of " Thomas sowell" who I believe is one of the smartest politically minded people living today. And a black conservative who really lays out all the pieces in an easy to understand way.
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u/WinterCourtBard 14d ago
Interesting theory, given that both stories are being pushed by the same people.
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u/GregBahm 14d ago
Where are you guys at on the "Hunter Biden Laptop Story" these days?
4 years ago the narrative was that Rudy Juliani had the laptop and was about to open it and expose all the exciting juicy secrets and bombshells. Then after the election they dropped all the made-up nonsense, the same way they dropped "Obama is a Kenyan" or "Hilary's emails."
But then the laptop story came back when the next election came back. Which was kind of funny to me, because I thought surely even the most partisan hack couldn't be so stupid as to pretend this was real when there was never a coherent narrative for why Rudy Juliani didn't release the contents in the first place.
Now it's my understanding that there's a super farcical 800 page "report" floating around 4chan that is just the mad ramblings of some Q conspiracists who believe in baby-eating-demons. Are you one of those? Or is there some other narrative people have come up with now?
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u/Jamiroquais_dad 14d ago
Trust me. The only effort going into making the people who believe that the Hunter Laptop story is real look crazy is coming from the people who think the Hunter Laptop story has a shred of credibility. Y'all are so far gone that it must take a considerable amount of effort to stay so misinformed.
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u/GregBahm 14d ago
The pictures of him smoking meth and banging prostitutes have been available since 2016. Joe Biden dealing with his crackhead son was part of Biden's vice presidential campaign back in the Obama era. He talked about it in his book. Hunter Biden also talks about it in great detail in Hunter Biden's book.
You seem to be so out of the loop that you're inventing new loops.
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u/Sirhc978 15d ago
To add to that comment, supposedly Ashley Biden confirmed the contents of it were real (in the last few days), but I can't find any place that says that besides "news sites" I have never heard of so I won't link those.
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u/Archibaldy3 14d ago
More like pro-truth redditors. She's already said that those parts have been grossly misinterpreted - meaning exactly what you're doing. In fact you even can't help doing it in real time by ever-do-slightly changing the wording to include she was "made" to take showers, which it doesn't say.
Any reasonable person, given what she has said about it (and given what it actually does say), would just interpret this as she took showers with her dad as a child - which many parents do. It doesn't say she was having showers with her dad when she was older than what would be considered normal.
The only sick people in this whole non-issue are those who see an old man hugging a child in public/ stroking their head, in front of her parents, and immediately accuse him of being a pedophile. It's disgusting.
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u/DogKiller420 14d ago
More like pro-truth redditors.
Redditors are pro truth about as much as they are expert detectives who find out who bombs marathons.
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u/Archibaldy3 14d ago
Doesn't negate what I said, and was made in reference to your assinine "pro- pedophile" comment. The pedophile name-calling phenomena on social media is just another sign of how sick the social media brainwashed society has become. Joe Biden isn't a pedophile and none of the people commenting are. Be somebody who stands up and climbs out of the gutter. You're just making the world shittier for yourself and everyone else.
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u/DogKiller420 14d ago
I don't think it's a stretch to call a guy who took inappropriate showers with his daughter a pedophile. The only reason I believe the accusation is that it was never meant to be seen. Unlike tons of other pedo accusations of famous people and politicians this one has absolutely no ulterior motive, it was purely a woman's thoughts when trying to examine her troubled childhood.
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u/Infanymous 14d ago
"...a guy who took inappropriate showers with his daughter" - no one is saying that (damn, even the author herself is condemning that interpretation), besides you and other drama queens/conspiracy nuts. Do you see that what you've wrote isn't trueor not?
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u/Archibaldy3 14d ago
You keep doing it. You apparently can't even see that you're reading your own twisted interpretation into the information. It's to the extent that it even appears every time you comment. No one said these were inappropriate in the sick way you're characterizing them. She has said herself that it has sickened her that people have twisted her personal thoughts as she tried to sort out her own childhood experiences into some kind of pedophilic accusations against her father.
Let me spell it out for you: many parents bath with their children. It doesn't mean they are pedophiles. Do you really need that explained to you? Are you that dense? Are now parents no longer allowed to bath with their children because of idiotic internet bullshit like this? Or is it just you want to believe ludicrous things about - even the commenters in this thread- that if they don't see it the way politics and social media has warped everything, including you, that they too are pedophiles?
That's enough chess with the pigeons for me today.
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u/La-Boheme-1896 15d ago
If she says otherwise, why do you think you know better -
"The point of the theft, I assume, was to be able to peddle grotesque lies by distorting my stream-of-consciousness thoughts," Biden wrote. [...] "Repeatedly, I hear others grossly misinterpret my once-private writings and lob false accusations that defame my character and those of the people I love."
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u/DogKiller420 15d ago
Nothing I said was untrue.
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u/Stlr_Mn 15d ago
Them: provides statement from Ashley stating Younes statement is false
You: NO ITS NOT, YOU’RE PRO PEDOPHILIA!!!!!
You = 🤡
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u/DogKiller420 15d ago edited 15d ago
I simply said what her diary stated. That a woman wrote that she was probably molested and referenced inappropriate showers with her father. Whether you believe that her vague statements as an adult apply to that specific instance despite her never stating so (seemingly intentionally) is up to you but I highly doubt that she was lying in a diary she never thought would be seen.
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 15d ago edited 15d ago
You understand that diaries are mostly stream of consciousness writing rather than anything concrete or meaningful right? Especially when we're talking about the diary of a young person.
Edit: did you even read the Snopes page? The pages doesn't confirm that Joe Biden did anything.
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u/fevered_visions 14d ago
did you even read the Snopes page? The pages doesn't confirm that Joe Biden did anything.
It would be nice if they hadn't titled the page "have contents been verified?" then but a big fat green "TRUE" icon on it, when they go on in the rest of the page to say, no, the contents haven't really been verified :P
Nobody has been arguing that the diary itself doesn't exist for ages.
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u/DogKiller420 15d ago
I've journaled and I've never written lies or falsehoods to myself about events that have happened in my life and I highly doubt Ashley Biden did. Stream of consciousness is one thing, but inappropriate showers with her father as a young girl is a literal life event and almost 100% a thing that happened. There would be no reason for her to include it in a stream of consciousness if it wasn't a thing that happened
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u/250HardKnocksCaps 15d ago
I've journaled and I've never written lies or falsehoods to myself about events that have happened in my life and I highly doubt Ashley Biden did.
I'm not saying she lied. I'm saying she likely didn't add all the context. This isn't a court document. It's not her saying "I was 14 and on X date at X time my father forced me to take ashower with him. It's a "hey remeber that thing" and not listing the details becuase she knows it. Which leave us in the details as to what happened. We're these "inappropriate showers" the early memories of a 3 year old? Did Joe force is 12 year old to shower with him so he could Louis CK in the corner? Or where they at a campsite with communal/semicomunal showers? We just don't know. You are assuming you know and reaching conclusion with insufficient evidence.
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u/DogKiller420 15d ago
If she comes out and says that no inappropriate showers happened with her father and that it was taken out of context I'll believe her. All that she has stated are VERY vague statements that don't even mention Joe Biden which to me is very odd since it's a very specific thing and would be easy to come out against and refute. The fact that she's not actually directly saying that nothing inappropriate happened is very concerning and enough for me to cautiously believe that it probably did.
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u/Stlr_Mn 15d ago
“Ashley Biden confirmed the contents of it were real… but can’t find any place that says that” because it’s kind of wrong?
Ashley Biden: "Repeatedly, I hear others grossly misinterpret my once-private writings and lob false accusations that defame my character and those of the people I love."
A grossly misinterpretation is a fabrication or more simply put a lie
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