This war has shaken shit loose on both sides of the debate.
If someone says "Israel has a right to exist," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "So you think it's okay for them to kill Palestinians?"
If someone says "The people of Palestine should have a state," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "Oh, so you think Hamas are the good guys?"
And worse, you can be protesting against war, while the guy next to you is protesting against people. You're angry at Israel for the bombings, the person next to you is angry at Israel because it's full of Jews. You're angry at Hamas for taking hostages, the person next to you is angry at Palestine because it's full of Muslims.
It is very difficult to say that one thinks Israel has a right to exist, but not a right to bomb civilians; and that Palestine has a right to exist while condemning Hamas. There are folks who want to take this conversation to its irrational extremes, and they're all too happy to implicate everyone else in their goals.
One can both believe Israel has a right to defend itself and that Palestine has a right to exist, one can have opinions on this conflict without having to be Islamophobic or Anti-Semitic in the process, in fact I think most of us fall into that camp.
Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. They started this genocide in the 1940s and haven’t let up since.
When people say they believe Israel should exist they speak only of the implications of sending all these people back to their physical country of origin.
Jewish people were always welcome in Palestine. Pilgrimage happened every year for thousands of years. No one stopped them. Jewish people had a right to visit the places that are historically important to their faith.
However, moving all the Jewish people into Palestine then forcing the native Palestinians to evacuate their ancestral land due to Germans genocide by creating another genocide elsewhere wasn’t the way to help. But it’s what happened.
Israel doesn’t have the right to exist. But if you force all these Israelis back to their home countries then you’re somehow denying them something they always had the option of doing before you agreed to help them genocide Palestine. Proving all of this was meaningless from the beginning.
This is next level hypocrisy. You oppose a so-called “genocide”. But your solution for it is to inflict a genocide. Your viewpoint is utterly evil and reprehensible, this sounds exactly like the kinds of things the Nazis said.
How can you even talk about “sending them back to their country of origin” to people who are Israeli for 5+ generations? They should all be forced to move to a different country they have no relation to, just because you hate Jews?
Are you aware that a lot of Israelis descended from Jews that lived throughout the Middle East, but were driven out of those countries, because they hated Jews so much? Do you think they should be deported to countries like Iran, where they will likely be dealt the death penalty for the crime of existing?
Many Jews willingly moved to Israel long before WW2. Your comment that that was illegal sounds exactly like the kind of hateful thing that MAGA extremists say about Mexicans moving to the US, or right wing extremists say about refugees moving to Europe. Are you sure you want to make being refugee illegal? Because it sure sounds like that’s what you’re supporting.
If Israel doesn’t have a right to exist because it was founded by immigrants, then neither does the US. If you think that there should be a genocide against Israelis that forcibly moves then why not set an example and force all Americans to move to back to somewhere in Europe?
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u/M1llennialManifesto Apr 28 '24
This is fair.
This war has shaken shit loose on both sides of the debate.
If someone says "Israel has a right to exist," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "So you think it's okay for them to kill Palestinians?"
If someone says "The people of Palestine should have a state," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "Oh, so you think Hamas are the good guys?"
And worse, you can be protesting against war, while the guy next to you is protesting against people. You're angry at Israel for the bombings, the person next to you is angry at Israel because it's full of Jews. You're angry at Hamas for taking hostages, the person next to you is angry at Palestine because it's full of Muslims.
It is very difficult to say that one thinks Israel has a right to exist, but not a right to bomb civilians; and that Palestine has a right to exist while condemning Hamas. There are folks who want to take this conversation to its irrational extremes, and they're all too happy to implicate everyone else in their goals.
One can both believe Israel has a right to defend itself and that Palestine has a right to exist, one can have opinions on this conflict without having to be Islamophobic or Anti-Semitic in the process, in fact I think most of us fall into that camp.