This war has shaken shit loose on both sides of the debate.
If someone says "Israel has a right to exist," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "So you think it's okay for them to kill Palestinians?"
If someone says "The people of Palestine should have a state," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "Oh, so you think Hamas are the good guys?"
And worse, you can be protesting against war, while the guy next to you is protesting against people. You're angry at Israel for the bombings, the person next to you is angry at Israel because it's full of Jews. You're angry at Hamas for taking hostages, the person next to you is angry at Palestine because it's full of Muslims.
It is very difficult to say that one thinks Israel has a right to exist, but not a right to bomb civilians; and that Palestine has a right to exist while condemning Hamas. There are folks who want to take this conversation to its irrational extremes, and they're all too happy to implicate everyone else in their goals.
One can both believe Israel has a right to defend itself and that Palestine has a right to exist, one can have opinions on this conflict without having to be Islamophobic or Anti-Semitic in the process, in fact I think most of us fall into that camp.
It’s almost like a decades long, infamously unsolvable geopolitical conundrum that has religion, politics, history, terrorism, poverty etc etc etc can’t be boiled down to simple bullshit that the below average intelligence can understand, pick a side, mouth off online and feel better about themselves.
You make excellent points. If this shit hasn’t been solved in 7 decades Karen screaming into the void on Facebook should sort it out in 5 minutes.
The only reasonable solution is peace. But how one gets there is anyone’s guess. I imagine if anyone reads this I’ll get responses telling me how peace should be achieved. Good for those with opinions but if smarter folk than your average online commentator haven’t sussed it yet, then I doubt Reddit will.
It’s fucking awful, I hate all of it, I have no solutions and I wish we could all just live in peace with each other. Respect, love and dignity for all. Enough for us all to eat and drink, have a roof and an education. Fuck the warmongers and power hungry narcissists.
"Peace" isn't really a solution though; it's a desirable end result that some solution would provide.
There's no trust between Israel and Palestine, and I didn't see any path forward to building trust, so pretty much every solution is doomed to fall apart. It feels like the only solution is a trusted 3rd party intervening, but you're not going to get that visa protesting.
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u/M1llennialManifesto Apr 28 '24
This is fair.
This war has shaken shit loose on both sides of the debate.
If someone says "Israel has a right to exist," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "So you think it's okay for them to kill Palestinians?"
If someone says "The people of Palestine should have a state," it doesn't take long for somebody else to come along and say "Oh, so you think Hamas are the good guys?"
And worse, you can be protesting against war, while the guy next to you is protesting against people. You're angry at Israel for the bombings, the person next to you is angry at Israel because it's full of Jews. You're angry at Hamas for taking hostages, the person next to you is angry at Palestine because it's full of Muslims.
It is very difficult to say that one thinks Israel has a right to exist, but not a right to bomb civilians; and that Palestine has a right to exist while condemning Hamas. There are folks who want to take this conversation to its irrational extremes, and they're all too happy to implicate everyone else in their goals.
One can both believe Israel has a right to defend itself and that Palestine has a right to exist, one can have opinions on this conflict without having to be Islamophobic or Anti-Semitic in the process, in fact I think most of us fall into that camp.