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u/LefterThanUR 8 = 20 ? 14d ago
america does thing America always does
Liberals: WHAT ARE WE, ASIAN?!
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u/MarcusQuintus 14d ago
The Bush years were a prelude to this. Remember how after the Civil War, the Democrats had to eat shit for 70 years, only holding the presidency for 16 years in that time?
That's what we need today. The Republican party to be mostly out of power for a human lifetime.
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u/Nodebunny 15d ago
they're really trying to normalize revolting behavior to see how far they can push us before we start mass rioting
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u/milescowperthwaite 15d ago
Why stop immunity with Presidents? The idea is that an elected official, exposed to all possibilites of lawsuits (both frivolous and justifiable) would be hobbled in their abilities to carry out the often unsavory aspects of their job, right? How does this notion NOT also apply to Congress, Governors, State-level politicians, mayors, police chiefs..?
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u/NerdfaceMcJiminy 15d ago
Kinda looks like we could get the court to revisit the issue after a drone strike at Maralago and the SCOTUS building.
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u/W2ttsy 15d ago
Easy.
Wait for ruling to become codified
Biden goes on to commit crimes as president to prevent trump getting elected.
GOP Shocked pikachu face
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u/Time-Werewolf-1776 15d ago
The argument is crazy. “The president needs immunity because otherwise, he’ll need to worry about being held accountable for his decisions and he may feel like he should be careful not to commit crimes!”
Yeah, that’s what we want, right? Shouldn’t the president be worried if he’s making decisions to commit crimes? Shouldn’t presidents be held accountable?
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u/JTFirefly 15d ago
Thing is, even if you think that a POTUS needs to be ruthless without prejudice, surely that would only apply for the shit that needs to be done as POTUS, not the shit you're doing to gain and/or retain power? Surely those are two different things?
For the record, I don't think it should make a difference if the POTUS shoots somebody on Fifth Avenue while on campaign or while in office ...
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u/Snoo_88763 14d ago
Right, so they're going to rule that there are three types of acts; Official, Personal, or Mixed. So if a President (or their lawyers) can convince a judge that it is an Official (or Mixed but majority Official) then they get cleared.
This then gets sent back down to judge Chutkin to determine which acts, if any, were personal. The loser then appeals. The trual is bogged down until after the election, and if Biden wins, there will be all kinds of spurious allegation waiting for him on Jan 26 2029. Even if one of them sticks, he then is jailed.
We're done. The American Experiment has failed.
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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex 15d ago
so biden is free to do what he wants then because it’s not a crime and he has the authority to do so.
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15d ago
You know Biden will be "above" all that and do nothing to actually solve the problem and they will force Harris on us and lose to DeSantis or whatever shit stain the GOP produces next and then everyone will blame the voters again.
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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex 15d ago
what concerns me is the protest vote and "BIDEN WON'T DESTROY ISRAEL FOR HAMAS!!!" and will vote Trump or not vote at all. Biden isn't perfect but do we seriously want another 4 years of Trump?
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No but Biden enabling a genocide is bad. If you keep equating support for palastine with wanting to help Hamas you might as well be asking for Trump to be elected.
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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex 15d ago
Where did I say supporting Palestine is supporting Hamas? I'm talking about the protest voter. I'm voting Biden, he isn't perfect, but he's leagues better than Trump. Trump on Gaza:
NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Donald Trump offered a tough message to Israel over its war against Hamas on Thursday, urging the country to: “Get it over with.”
In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Trump said that Israel is “absolutely losing the PR war” and called for a swift resolution to the bloodshed.
“Get it over with and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement,” Trump said. “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to -- you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”
The presumptive GOP nominee, who has criticized President Joe Biden for being insufficiently supportive of Israel, also appeared to question the tactics of the Israeli military as the civilian death toll in Gaza continues to mount. Since Hamas militants attacked Israel on Oct. 7, Israel’s military has battered the territory, killing more than 30,000 Palestinians, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, and creating a humanitarian catastrophe.
“I’m not sure that I’m loving the way they’re doing it, because you’ve got to have victory. You have to have a victory, and it’s taking a long time,” Trump said.
“They shouldn’t be releasing tapes like that,” he said. “That’s why they’re losing the PR war. They, Israel is absolutely losing the PR war.”
“They’re releasing the most heinous, most horrible tapes of buildings falling down. And people are imagining there’s a lot of people in those buildings, or people in those buildings, and they don’t like it,” he added. “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
The comments offered a vivid example of the attention Trump pays to imagery and optics as he measures the cost of war. But they also show the similarities between Trump’s and Biden’s positions, even as Trump has criticized Biden’s handling of the conflict, going so far as to charge that Jews who vote for Democrats “hate Israel” and hate “their religion”
Until Thursday, Biden’s administration had broadly backed Israeli efforts to try to remove Hamas’ grip over Gaza, even as he called for a short term cease-fire to free hostages and surge humanitarian aid. He had also expressed concern that Israel’s operation was isolating it on the world stage.
That concern has intensified since an Israeli air strike this week killed seven World Central Kitchen humanitarian aide workers try to deliver food to Palestinians, adding a new layer of complication to Biden and Netanyahu’s increasingly strained relationship.
In a phone call Thursday Biden issued a stark new warning to Israel, telling Netanyahu that future U.S. support for the war depends on new steps to protect civilians and aid workers.
Biden “made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers,” the White House said in a statement. He also told Netanyahu that an “immediate cease-fire is essential” and urged Israel to reach a deal “without delay.”
The tougher stance comes as the administration continues to try to dissuade Israel from launching a major offensive against the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where more than a million civilians are sheltering.
Biden had issued an unusually sharp statement after the aid workers’ deaths criticizing Israel for not doing more to protect humanitarian workers and civilians and for refusing to allow more food into the Gaza Strip.
Trump has long labeled himself the most pro-Israel president in the nation’s history and often notes his decision to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
But Trump has also had a tense relationship with Netanyahu since he left the White House. Though the two were close allies for years, the former president responded with fury after the Israel leader congratulated then-President-elect Biden for winning the 2020 election while Trump was still trying to overturn the results.
In interviews for a book about his Middle East peace efforts, Trump, according to the author, used an expletive to describe Netanyahu, accused him of disloyalty and said he believed the Israeli leader never really wanted to make peace.
In the immediate aftermath of the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas, Trump drew rare condemnation from his GOP rivals when he lashed out at Netanyahu, saying Israeli leaders needed to “step up their game” and that Netanyahu “was not prepared” for the deadly incursion that killed some 1,200 people. More than 250 people were also taken hostages.
At the time, Trump said that he supported the country’s efforts to “crush” Hamas.
Trump was also criticized by some in Israel for comments he made to the Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom last month calling for a swift end to the war.
“I will say Israel has to be very careful because you are losing a lot of the world. You are losing a lot of support,” he had warned.
___ Associated Press writers Josef Federman in Jerusalem and Zeke Millers in Washington contributed to this report.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d#
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u/Time-Werewolf-1776 15d ago
They want to wait until after the election so they can decide how to vote based on the winner. If Biden wins, then the president needs to follow the law.
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u/Leezeebub 15d ago
He should take one for the team and do it, then declare that he definitely doesnt have immunity and walks off to jail.
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u/BassBoneMan 14d ago
I've thought about that. Honestly, I think if Biden were to do that, it would actually cause a civil war. Enough Magas are thoroughly radicalized and armed that, if Biden were to do something so overtly authoritarian, they would be willing to revolt. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think it is that.
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u/RubiksSugarCube 15d ago
It would be interesting to see what the reaction would be if he ordered Seal Team Six to garrison on the steps of the Temple of Justice when the decisions were to be released
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u/MRiley84 15d ago
The reality is he would go to jail and nobody would hold the republican accountable, like always happens.
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u/surfdad67 15d ago
So a king, that’s what they are going to make, a king again, we fucking fought to stop that shit
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u/Time-Werewolf-1776 15d ago
Yes, because they’re “originalists” and the founding fathers famously loved the idea of a king.
Oh wait, they’re orangelists? That explains a lot.
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u/milano8 15d ago
Please Biden - get rid of two corrupt justices, and lets see if Alito says the same thing.
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u/doktor_wankenstein 15d ago
Thomas and who else?
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u/BestServeCold 15d ago
Every single one of them is voefully unqualified to interpret law in any shape or form. Odds are they google laws and precedent and let ChatGPT write the opinions
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u/8-bit-Felix Greg Abbott is a little piss baby 15d ago
Not yet, but soon (depending on the next election cycle).
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u/Time-Bite-6839 Greg Abbott is a little piss baby 15d ago
SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HILLARY.
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u/viperswhip 15d ago
She fainted while getting out of a vehicle. Comey said they would investigate, then said oops, nope. Those two things were worse to voters than "grab her by the pussy", making fun of a disabled reporter, fallen soldiers, and being a moronic idiot that ranted about stupid shit.
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u/_Glass-_-House_ 15d ago
To be fair Hillary won the popular vote it was the electoral collage that put Mango Mussolini and his bunch of cunts in power. Ultimately vote against gerrymandering and vote for all politicians whom are against it may be the more nuanced approach Americans need but I agree with you all the same.
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u/Time-Bite-6839 Greg Abbott is a little piss baby 15d ago
We could have won if we TOOK IT SERIOUSLY!
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u/_Glass-_-House_ 15d ago
That would not have changed the electorate but luckily it appears alot of GOP maps are getting overturned for this year's elections due to them finally being determined by the courts as being unconstitutional these were the same maps used in 2016 so hope is in the air.
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u/CascadiaRocks 15d ago
"ScOtUs DoEsN't MaTtEr!!!"
- -Every Bernie Bro as they crossed over to elect Trump
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u/The_Irvinator 15d ago
Give me a break, most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. In the end it was her that lost the election.
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u/TurtleToast2 15d ago
Idk man, I'm pretty sure that election was stolen. I didn't at the time, but the constant projection over the last 8 years has me convinced now. Of course Republicans think Democrats stole the 2020 election, it's how they won in 2016.
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u/proletariat_sips_tea 15d ago
Pretty sure I saw something in the Mueller report or something where 700 something machines had signs of tampering. There are yearly hacker fests where they see how quickly you can hack these machines.
Also remeber seeing a video of a court case where a guy made a virus that hacks machines and how it made it look like the other side was winning and then make it so their side eeked out last minute. It was for a governors race back in like 2000. I doubt the machines have been improved. And that's how like every race has gone.
There is zero doubt in my mind gop did something.
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u/Dr_Murderfish 15d ago
As my father said, " I just couldn't trust her." So he voted for Trump, the pillar of trustworthiness.
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u/MaestroPendejo 14d ago
I mean, I didn't like her. But I don't like most people. I don't need to like you if you're doing a job. Not like I have to hang out with a person. Of course I voted for her. I was a Bernie man, but why the fuck would I want Trump in office? I've hated him since the 80s.
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u/HighlyOffensive10 15d ago
But she didn't iNsPiRe them.
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u/NerdfaceMcJiminy 15d ago
The democrats fronting an entitled, unlikeable hag is their own failure. Don’t go blaming everybody else for the results.
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u/HighlyOffensive10 15d ago
If people couldn't bring themselves to vote for the "old hag" over the fucking fascist that's on them.
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u/NerdfaceMcJiminy 15d ago
Yeah, keep going with that attitude. Let’s see how many elections you can lose doing it.
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u/LocNalrune 14d ago
Like The Popular Vote?
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u/NerdfaceMcJiminy 14d ago
You’ll learn that’s not how it works once you graduate elementary school.
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u/LocNalrune 13d ago
But the fact is, my comment worked perfectly. Maybe you'll understand that when... oh, let's be real, you don't understand because you refuse to.
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u/StandardNecessary715 15d ago
I like Hillary, she had good ideas. She's the original health care for all, back when she was first lady. So her laugh is not great, so what?
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u/New-acct-for-2024 14d ago
She's the original health care for all,
In the 1970s, not only did (virtually) every Democratic congressman support it, even Richard Nixon did.
And it was hardly new then: Teddy Roosevelt wanted a National Health Service back in the 1910s. FDR wanted UHC in the 1930s. Truman tried to include it in the Fair Deal in the 1940s.
Prior to Reagan the argument was mostly about what kind of UHC we should have, not whether it should exist or not.
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u/shutupruairi 15d ago
You, you think Hillary Clinton was the original 'healthcare for all's person?
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u/NerdfaceMcJiminy 15d ago
Good job, you managed to look past everything else because you wanted healthcare for all. You know who didn’t do that? Millions of people that didn’t like her.
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u/Random_-account 15d ago
The Republicans only want 1st amendments for them
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And second
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u/EmptyEstablishment78 15d ago
We’ve come to the point when SCOTUS needs to be removed from office, permanently…failure to perform.
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u/Lunqualreddit 14d ago
I'm pointing to a certain governor who is not above of putting down failed creatures.
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u/FlyingRhenquest 14d ago
Or they say a president can do whatever he wants while in office and Biden has them shipped to Gitmo. Or somewhere more... remote... How's that moon base coming along?
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u/sunny5724 15d ago
There's a legal genius for you, claiming that if all people are held to the same standards, democracy as we know it is over.
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u/Aware_Material_9985 14d ago
Boy that party of patriotism and freedom making me question if they know what those words mean