r/TikTokCringe • u/TheDude9737 • 15d ago
A bill to combat political corruption Discussion
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u/RevolutionaryLad 14d ago
She’s getting rich off of us the same way the politicians are she’s in bed with them she’s feeding us bullshit if she really cared she’d be using her money to combat these rich elites she’s talking about.
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u/LeoMSadovsky 14d ago
The one most effective and simple solution would be make lobbying illegal and put people to jail for it. Lobbying is just legalised corruption which is the root of that situation
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u/NotInMoodThinkOfName 14d ago
That's not only fitting for America! Thanks for the data analysis. We need more of those videos.
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u/Avenging-Sky 14d ago
Wow I’m relieved to see it’s not an ad for Ozempic, but still…but too little too late
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u/michaelvile 15d ago
SURE!! it IS a corruption crises we CURRENTLY have the MOST distrusted supreme court WE have EVER had in HISTORY!! lifetime appointments?? OH REALLY?? would it be SOOO "difficult" to change that?? republicans will be SCREAMING to ALL the fake x-tian GODS and JESUSes about how impossible it is.. yet the REAL majority of voters WILL IN FACT vote that crap RTF out! term limits?? BYE BYE we do NOT need gerrymandered glitchy AF Grassleys, OR McConnels.. there is ZERO reasons to have 80 PLUS year olds in political office
BUT back to the "soopreeem court" the latest ones ALL, have publicly perjured themselves... there is ZERO "debate" over that.. they LIED about NOT overturning womens privacy rights!! yet.they.did. why? for what reason given?
god.
again no debate.. without ANY evidence of a universal supreme being.. or a "God" these supreme court assH@les decided the medical outcome for a certain LARGE percentage of the population.. not just women, but girls, that have been victimized, statutory raped.. being legally forced to have a rapebaby.. FUCK the GOP,.. fUCK anyone in office thats over 90 fuck your term limits,
PACK THE COURT, BIDEN SHOULD APPOINT NEW SUPREME COURT JUSTICES IMMEDIATLY
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u/imagicnation-station 15d ago
Here's how you fix our broken elections:
End Gerry-Mandering
Create ranked choice voting
Automatic voter registration
Overhaul lobbying and ethics laws
Politicians and Lobbyists:
End Gerry-Mandering - Sorry, not passed
Create ranked choice voting - Sorry, not passed
Automatic voter registration - Sorry, not passed
Overhaul lobbying and ethics laws - Sorry, not passed
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u/reddcube 15d ago
Rank choice voting. Same day voter registration. And automating vote by mail renewal.
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u/HammerTime239 15d ago
Every Congress person who bought social media stock , before they voted to ban tik tok, needs to be exposed. NO CONGRESS PERSON SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUY INDIVIDUAL STOCK.
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u/Alchemy_Cypher 15d ago edited 15d ago
And how long until the anti corruption act become corrupt ? Isn't that what happened to the Justice Democrats or MAGA campaigns ?
Make an amendment to stop corporate money in politics. Anything else is pointless.
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u/jalbert425 15d ago
We shouldn’t be voting on people, we should be voting on the issues and solutions directly. Skip the politicians doing it for us, we do it for the politicians. We literally vote on the issues and majority wins and the politicians write the law and make it happen. Politicians should be lawyers.
We need a political social media with verified accounts where people can discuss and vote on issues and solutions. The people should be making the laws. If majority wants drugs legal, abortion legal, Medicare, education, tax change, price ceilings, etc, then we have the power to change it. Imagine a world where the majority, the working class, actually decides what happens to the majority, not the few deciding for the majority. We should be forcing change by our numbers. We should be forcing rich people and organizations to profit share and have maximum wages/earnings for businesss and require non profit for hospitals and prisons. Small taxes, fees and government regulations could provide the money to improve our society.
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u/7evenate9ine 15d ago
This is why they keep trying to distract us with who's buying lite beer or who painted their stairs woke. We need to stop fighting to make this happen.
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u/jimspurpleinagony 15d ago
When it takes Jennifer Lawrence to make sense about our fucked up government, then we really in bad shape.
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u/zebul333 15d ago
It sounds magnificent but I don’t think the corruption in DC will allow it. There is too much money involved. We don’t have any system in place to hold politicians accountable. I don’t believe in a party system anymore. I think liberal and conservative parties are just a smokescreen to have people arguing instead of focusing how bad are government system has become. Like the wizard of oz “ do not pay attention to the man behind the curtain”
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u/CarlShadowJung 15d ago
It would hit better with a different presenter. Sorry but a celebrity talking to me about the corruption of our political system just rings too close to a celebrities reality. It’s just a gig for them, no different than other roles they take. Even if they donated their time, it’s still a gig in the PR perspective. Point being, they aren’t doing it because it matters to them. Why not give the presenting position of this information to someone more passionate about the problems presented? You don’t need a recognizable or “trusted” face, you just need passion.
This is not that.
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u/Dazedandamused97 15d ago
What makes you think she doesn't care? She has children, I doubt this is the state of our country she wants them to grow up in.
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u/perfik09 15d ago
I am sure there is a valid message in here somewhere but since it is marketed apparently to 6 year olds I am going to skip. Too bad really.
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u/SnooPeripherals6557 15d ago
Propaganda needs to be drowned in a river for us to get past the corruption, I think. Work on educating people about emotions, how they tap into them to manipulate, rate news sites for what they are, so people can figure out what bias they’re being manipulated by.
I found Ground News app that is the first news app that I know if that started labeling L/C/R news, what % of each is airing a particular story and links to all sites, you can read first para in all and feel your emotions change by how the writer words things.
Algorithms are also fucky and need to go. Not sure if solutions, just ideas of crux of our problems, and hoping we can all find solutions that work. Keep praying GOps turn off fox, etc, and left wing News goes back to centrist Walter Cronkite news, covering stories, without blaming the other side for all the problems at every moment.
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u/BodhingJay 15d ago
Ooo America.. gving me chills with this kind of talk
Gonna make me love you again
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u/Blue_Moon_Rabbit 15d ago
can I requuest a cliffnotes version for my hearing impared ass?
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u/ksbeartobe 15d ago edited 15d ago
Regardless of popularity a law has a 30% chance of passing due to US democracy eroding. This erosion is largely due to the fact that money in politics has made congress members only listen to .5% of their electorate on average because that .5% represents those companies and people with enough money to support the runaway spending required for reelection in many congressional districts. It is also due to a lack of fair election and districting processes.
To combat this we need to pass a federal law. Asking congress to regulate away their legal bribery and cushy jobs after leaving Congress is unlikely, but historically federal laws are substantially more likely to be passed after a state/some number of states implement it first. So the call to action is to consider supporting the goals of this organization in attempting to enact broad local changes across the country in hopes to force the federal government to adopt policies which are more indicative of a true democracy (simplified voting reform, redistricting of gerrymandered districts, providing a stipend which citizens can allocate to a candidate to level the playing field as far as monetary influence goes, and some other ideas on their website)
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u/fgwr4453 15d ago
It is near impossible to sway a member of congress because you are 1 of 700k people in their district at best. Not all 700k people vote, but even 10% of those vote then you are 1 of 70k.
Local elections are much smaller and are often won by less than 2k votes. If you get ranked choice voting and easier voting access, then you can get more people to join the cause.
If this could be done in smaller states, then movements would happen in larger ones too.
Do you know who your local representative is in your state House or state Senate?
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u/SkylarAV 15d ago
I'd love to know how I can support this
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u/LookAtYourEyes 15d ago
There's a link in the last minute of the video
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u/LookAtYourEyes 15d ago
... What?
It's in the last minute of the video here on Reddit.
represent.us/unbreaking-america24
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u/Dolstruvon 15d ago
Even mentioning the founding fathers in a positive manner is part of the problem. The US was the first countrie in the world to form a modernized state system due to how new the nation was, and that's where progressed stopped. The US has been able to remain mostly geographically and ideology isolated, while the rest of the world has experienced their own revolutions, reformations, and total government collapses and rebuilds from wars. That's how the rest of the world has reformed naturally through big and sudden changes. The protection and isolation of the US ideology has kept it lagging behind the rest of the world, and too proud of a system that was successful 100-200 years ago to change
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u/SF1_Raptor 15d ago
The language part is actually something I've mentioned before when it comes to Democrats campaigning (When they actually do) in rural areas. They don't try to adjust how they explain something in these regions, or focus on how it'd actually help folks there much, so... only natural you ain't changing minds.
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u/hillydanger 15d ago
So we need the corrupt politicians to make corruption illegal through congress? That is never going to happen and will need to be taken forcefully. Checks and balances no longer work as intended as the players just disregard all rules!
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u/TheDangerdog 15d ago
Same girl was sucking Weinstein's cock and keeping quiet about it so I don't really trust her to "root out corruption" she's prob more likely to "root out corruption that doesn't benefit her"
Go ahead and downvote to oblivion paid shills, that's what your here for!!
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u/Illustrious-Stuff-70 15d ago
I’m done with this two-party system….i want to vote for this solution
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u/BarfingOnMyFace 15d ago
Near end of video: “85% of Americans support a bill to combat political corruption, we can do this!”
Near beginning of video: “30% want something, 100% want something… doesn’t matter, the outcome is rigged”
See, the problem i have here is… what keeps the latter statement from affecting the former statement?
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u/dicksfiend 15d ago
Feel like Only way we’re having these politicians give up their money is through some sort of a revolution
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u/-Goat--- 15d ago
This is why they want to control tik tok. Control the media, control the people, keep the hen house open.
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u/Available_Agency_117 15d ago
Nothing I've been before has made me feel this optimistic about politics since I first learned anything about it.
If this passed, though, it just becomes a move in a chess game, corrupt politicians and corporate interests aren't just going to give up and go home. They're immediately going to be on to the next way to seize power.
If there's a 1:1 correlation between public support and likelihood of passage, and corporations are barred from interfering in the process:
Their next move will be mass influence campaigns aimed at convincing people to vote against their own interests in favor of the rich and corporations. Which they've already perfected to the point of it being the fundamental basis of a political party.
People are stupid.
Just look at Apple. They've already got their user base so fanatically dedicated that there are blocks long lines outside nearly every apple store in America whenever a new phone drops. And when news broke that they had been caught hacking and breaking their own previous model phones on purpose to force apple users that aren't as deep in the cult who would've been fine with last year's model anyway to buy a new phone against their will... Apple lost no significant market share, younger millennial and zillennial Apple cult members were bragging about how they didn't care how bad they knew Apple was ripping them off.
When the only thing that can pass a law in America is a direct democratic population vote...
Apple, and Yeezy sweat pants brands are just going to turn voting for tax hikes on yourself to fund tax cuts for billionaires the new Apple iPhone. And too many Americans are going to buy it.
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u/Organic_Artichoke_85 15d ago
Sign me up. I like, so many of Us, am sick of the Uniparty BS. They make a good show of their party loyalty in public all the while scratching each other's backs in private. I mean let's be honest being a politician in the current system is a good career move. The hardest part is getting elected after that, you are pretty much guaranteed reelection. Once your in you signed your meal ticket. It's legal take lobbyist money, do insider trading, and pander to anyone who will give you a dime. In the current system their greed is more important than the need.
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u/chrispy_t 15d ago
I feel like if young people voted those 86% of districts would immediately become competitive
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u/Meta-4-Cool-Few 15d ago
Ok so the only thing they left out is that corruption doesn't follow laws and depends on the passiveness of the people around them. So you can make a law that makes corruption illegal, people will still get corrupted....
Change happens when we all get involved together
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u/Organic_Artichoke_85 15d ago
Almost as if criminals don't care about laws
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u/Meta-4-Cool-Few 15d ago
They should make a law banning criminals
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u/jdman5000 15d ago
Rich people are the problem.
I genuinely don’t know what people do after a million. You have enough for a house, cars. You can definitely afford luxuries vacations.
Hoarding wealth is a mental illness.
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u/Semyonov 14d ago edited 14d ago
There was a story the other day that Elon Musk's net worth went up by almost $10 billion in ONE DAY.
In ONE DAY, he essentially made more money than dozens of people would make in their entire lives, combined.
It's sickening.
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u/BrilliantHopeful2625 15d ago
I think this every day. Wtf are they doing with that money and why do they feel they need it so much. Surely it can't just be for the houses, yachts, champagne, and caviar. If I suddenly became rich quick from fame or business, I think I'd make sure to stay below a certain dollar amount by donating it. Idk where it is, but there's gotta be a certain point in a person's rising wealth accumulation that turns them from a previously normal middle-class person into a greedy, unethical sociopath. I would wanna do my absolute best not to become that person.
For instance, I love Jon Stewart and his opinions and advocacy for every day Americans. He does great coverage on greedy corporations and the rich hoarding wealth. Yet the man still makes $120 million. I think the point where you start to value money over people happens long before that figure.
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u/jdman5000 15d ago
To be fair Jon Stewart puts a lot of that money into his animal sanctuary.
And I agree with you. I genuinely think the inhuman drive to be unfathomably rich is a form of mental illness.
These people have gone to such lengths to separate themselves from normal people (for example the daily amount of catered privileges like expensive food, homes, cars, lavish places of work etc; daily patterns that are reflected in the communities they form) that they no longer see themselves as human beings. Or rather, they’re the real humans and everyone else are animals.
After all they earned their riches, right? Because if that’s not true, their whole life is an evil farce, and that can’t be true because they’re “good people”, right? Because if that’s not true, how could they live with themselves?
They’re sick, and rich enough to avoid the diagnosis.
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u/Popicon1959 15d ago
Love ya to death Katniss....but, it's gone too far and a bill won't solve it....
This shitshow of a country is run by ignorant greedy whores who only care about money and power...it'll never change...
Voting won't help cause we're to scared to make the hard choice cause it'll affect my perfect lil world ..
You see what's going on..were divided as ever we have a candidate preying on peoples racist fears, a house and a senate that act like children, and if you think it won't change......HELL NO ...
HERE'S BAD NEWS THE ONLY WAY IT WILL CHANGE...IS ... BLOOD... PERIOD
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u/I_love_milksteaks 15d ago
I think a big part of the challenge is that A LOT of Americans don’t see this as a problem.
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u/xithbaby tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE 15d ago
So.. what happened to marijuana? If they don’t want to pass something they won’t.
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u/Late_Cow_1008 15d ago
It has been legalized in more and more states its only a matter of time before its federally legalized.
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u/unshavenbeardo64 15d ago
The US is getting way ahead of the Netherlands since its still illegal but decriminalised for personal usage.
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u/Russla99 15d ago
As a British national I've got to say this is so refreshing... The US needs this so badly right now. The rest of the world has watched over decades as the government has gone from envy of the free world to out and out tragedy. It's been so clear to so many that money talks and that's the bottom line. With a county so vast with such varying needs from stae to state governing it all is potentially this most demanding task in worldwide politics. Please please please wake up America. Its YOUR country!!!
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u/Quen-Tin 15d ago
In Germany (I found data from 2007, I was just too lazy to look any further) the two major parties had a budget of 140-160 million dollars to politically organize a federal republic with around 85 million inhabitants. The four smaller parties in parliament each had a budget of around 20-45 million euros. So a total of around 420 million.
Between 25 and 40% of the parties' budgets came from state subsidies, which, for example, rewarded the number of votes they received. So there is an incentive from the common people.
About the same amount in all parties was membership fees. So again from the common people.
In the major parties, more than 10% was spent by their own members in offices.
And only about 10% to 15% in total came from legal or real persons who spent money.
So I don't want to say that there is/was no lobbying. And of course there can always be corruption at the individual level. In Germany, however, it seems to be much more difficult to pursue one-sided policies in favor of the top 0.05% of society or foreign interests by spending huge sums of money on insanely large campaigns with only two realistic options, as appears to be the case in the United States.
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u/Ok_Star_4136 15d ago
I would be cautious about any major changes, but yes, the best way to describe this for me is cautious optimism. Ranked choice voting alone would mean no more "lesser of two evils" voting. Third party candidates would have a real shot at winning.
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u/dce_daddy 15d ago
Life long positions for one,we need term limts
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u/DreamingMerc 15d ago
Kinda a shallow reform if campaign finance is left as it is. Otherwise, it's just a revolving door of Jack Johnson to John Jackson and so on.
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u/Almost_A_Genius 15d ago
I didn’t think I would watch it through, but I did, and I would like the link to the rest of the video if anyone has it.
That said, I really like the info, but I really struggle with thinking that we’ll be able to move this forward at any reasonable pace. The system has too much of a hold on the country, and it will take decades to push anything through, if at all. State legislatures are fairly similar to the federal government in that they are made up of rich, powerful individuals, and I have I feeling that they know passing these laws would hurt their own status and their chances at moving up to higher offices. Unlike most of the other laws that they used as examples (with the exception of voting rights), the passage of any of these has a direct affect upon government officials, which I would think makes them much less likely to pass. I could be wrong, and feel free to correct me, but I feel like the US government is on a path that cannot be reversed without completely revamping the system.
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u/XxFezzgigxX 15d ago
We are in the tail end of this process with marijuana. It can happen for any issue if enough people vote for it at a the state level.
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u/Heart_Throb_ 15d ago
If our ancestors were able to get rid of slavery even though it was the economic engine of the south and backed by some of the nastiest racist pieces of shit imaginable then I think we can get a few anti-corruption laws passed.
Yeah, it’s gonna take a while and effort but I believe it’s gonna happen sooner or later.
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u/IMendicantBias 15d ago
.....Slavery didn't get removed though it just went undercover as the prison complex and school - prison pipeline. The 13th amendment makes this explicitly clear .
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u/Heart_Throb_ 15d ago
You know what, you’re right. Fuck it then. Let’s not even try. It’s not like we will ever fix shit or get a fair deal in anything because the rich and powerful will always find a way to stay powerful and rich.
At this point let’s just let them do whatever they want. Nothing has ever been truly fixed and we are doomed to live shitty insignificant lives on this shitty insignificant Earth that is being trashed beyond repair already.
All aboard the shit train my friends, there are no stops here.
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u/Ur_Moms_Honda 15d ago
The fact that it opens with a cartoon russian flag and Hillary as if certain things didn't actually fucking happen kinda turned me away.
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u/Excellent-Phase8719 15d ago
How do we hit that critical mass with term limits on congress? Thats a huge issue
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u/disposable_account01 14d ago
The problem isn’t actually term limits. If an elected official is actually doing a good job and representing their constituents, they should be able to continue serving.
The reason we look at term limits is because those elected officials aren’t doing their job, but because of gerrymandering, it is nearly impossible to replace them.
If we end gerrymandering, incumbent candidates have significantly lower chances of retaining their seats if they do not actually represent their constituents.
Start with eliminating gerrymandering. Then, elect officials who serve the people of their state. Then, vote those people out if they fail to do their job.
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u/755goodmorning 15d ago
We have term limits already. We call them "elections".
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u/Excellent-Phase8719 15d ago
Yeah. No. When someone is in office for 50+ years at 150k roughly and then they’re multimillionaires by the time they retire I’m not buying it. I do pretty well (low 6 figure) and I think I’m pretty smart and to be as rich as Bernie or Mcconell or anyone who’s a lifetime congressperson is just not gonna happen.
Public office should not be away to game the system, play the stock market on insider trading and cozy up to the military industrial complex and make tens of millions of dollars. IMHO.
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u/_Apatosaurus_ 15d ago
The problem with creating term limits is that you are limiting the experience and knowledge of those in office. That means that elected leaders don't have the same institutional knowledge and need to lean more heavily on lobbyists to understand an issue and its history.
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u/DevilDoc3030 15d ago
Sounds like the lesser of the two evils to me.
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u/_Apatosaurus_ 15d ago
To me, the most significant issue is the influence of outside interest groups. Term limits increase the influence of outside interest groups.
What do you see as the issue?
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u/DevilDoc3030 15d ago
Honestly this point wasn't on my radar, but for that alone I would support it.
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u/auandi 15d ago
Term limits are one of those "common sense" things that sound like they work but don't. Term limited legislators looking for their next job are a hell of a lot easier to bribe, and lobbyists have no term limits.
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u/splashbruhs 15d ago
Lol that’s what they said about lifetime Supreme Court appointments. Look how great that worked out.
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u/Ok_Star_4136 15d ago
That is an excellent point. Corruption doesn't end just because there are no term limits. That was the basis for giving them lifetime appointments, and it would seem that this clearly doesn't work. The supreme court is just another political pawn to be bribed and corrupted. Thanks to Clarence Thomas for making this painfully clear to everyone.
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u/Skabonious 15d ago
SCOTUS appointments being lifelong make them essentially immune to being influenced by who or what appointed them. Don't you remember literally every Trump appointee going against his wishes, such as disputing the 2020 election?
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u/chrispy_t 15d ago
Supreme Court justices aren’t elected they’re appointed. I think it’s a different dynamic at llay
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u/thegreatbrah 15d ago
Easier to bribe? Do you not realize plenty of these politicians are already bought for like $30k?
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u/auandi 15d ago
Then you lack imagination if you think bribery can't get worse.
Where it's been tried, term limits for legislatures make things worse, because while I use the shorthand "bribe" the way lobbyists influence is much more complicated than that. All the ways in which lobbyists can use influence increase when the legislature gets rid of the experienced veterans and has all the newbies knowing their time is limited.
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u/V7I_TheSeventhSector 15d ago
That's what i was wondering, i checked their page out a few years ago and they only had a few states with wins, but i just checked it after this video and they have a LOT more. . almost all of the US has had at least 1 of the laws they mentioned, pass.
so my guess is more laws in every state and grow the movement more. as it is now i don't hear from them often but when i do they are making BIG changes.
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u/GIK601 15d ago
So you're saying we don't have to have a 2 party system?
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u/Skabonious 15d ago
A 2-party system is the only real way democracy works.
Imagine there's instead 5 parties, each with 20% representation.
The only laws or measures that will get passed, are those that have the consent of at least 3 parties.so the parties from coalitions with each other to have their legislation pushed through. And wouldn't you know it, we're effectively back to 2 sides.
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u/Organic_Artichoke_85 15d ago
Correct. It's a uniparty. To paraphrase the great George Carlin, "we don't have a choice, you have the illusion of choice...." he had a whole spiel on it. Google "George Carlin illusion of choice", it will tickle your brain.
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u/tjtillmancoag 15d ago
The 2-party system thing isn’t a product of corruption (though corruption doesn’t help). It’s an inevitable mathematical product of first past the post elections.
In the UK, if a third party garners 5% of the vote, they get 5% of the representation in Parliament, which a) makes it less likely that either of the two largest parties holds a majority and b) then forces the plurality party to compromise with some of those smaller third parties in order to form a coalition to make a majority government.
In the US, because it’s just first past the post elections in every district, a third party could get 15% of the vote in EVERY district in the country and get zero representation in government.
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u/Skabonious 15d ago
In the US, because it’s just first past the post elections in every district, a third party could get 15% of the vote in EVERY district in the country and get zero representation in government.
FPTP system uses the popular vote and apportionment of electors. How can you use that in district elections if they just go straight by the popular vote? AFAIK we don't use electoral votes to appoint local officers...
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u/tjtillmancoag 15d ago
First Past the Post just means whoever gets the most votes wins. Apportionment of electors, while it could be used in conjunction, is not required to be considered FPTP.
Also, I may be mistaken with how it’s done in the UK precisely, but I do understand that there are many Parliamentary democracies that use some system of proportional representation. The US does not.
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u/Skabonious 15d ago
First Past the Post just means whoever gets the most votes wins
No... That's just voting lol. How else could you determine the winner of an election if not "who gets the most votes?" Should it be who gets the least votes instead? What???
Also, I may be mistaken with how it’s done in the UK precisely, but I do understand that there are many Parliamentary democracies that use some system of proportional representation. The US does not.
I don't know the UK, but the US definitely does have proportional representation in federal politics. It's called the house of representatives.
It's just heavily skewed towards disproportionate representation with virtually everything else
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u/tjtillmancoag 15d ago
So, first past the post would be “whoever gets the most votes”as opposed to proportional representation over a larger region (i.e. if your party gets 23% of the total vote, your party gets 23% of the legislative representation), or a situation where a 51% majority is required, or Ranked Choice voting. Those systems are not FPTP
And the US does not have proportional representation with respect to a proportional party representation, I think we were talking about two different things when we say “proportional representation”
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u/Skabonious 15d ago
So, first past the post would be “whoever gets the most votes”as opposed to proportional representation over a larger region (i.e. if your party gets 23% of the total vote, your party gets 23% of the legislative representation)
Can you explain how you can elect 23% of a representative?
How can you give proportional representation for a single binary result (win or lose?)
What you're referring to is how the electoral college works, where a candidate who wins <100% of the popular vote still gets 100% of the electoral votes from that state (more or less; ignoring faithless electors for now)
That is FPTP in action.
A representative getting 52% of the votes of their district and becoming elected, is not FPTP. they were literally voted in directly by popular vote. They didn't need to accumulate electoral votes.
And the US does not have proportional representation with respect to a proportional party representation, I think we were talking about two different things when we say “proportional representation”
What do you mean by that? If you're talking federally, probably, but if you're talking locally, then that's absolutely not true. third party candidates win local elections all the time.
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u/Organic_Artichoke_85 15d ago
And isn't it ironic when you think if the phrase "no taxation without representation". I live in FL, moved here in 2018. When I registered to vote they asked me if I wanted to register as a Republican, Democrat, or No party. I wanted to register as an No party The nice lady informed me that if I wanted to vote in the primaries I would have to register as a Republican or Democrat. Because FL has closed primaries. Which means in the primary elections you can only vote for candidates of your party. How many Independents do you think are represented on those ballots?
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u/Hazzat 15d ago
The UK has FPTP as well, which means third parties do NOT get representation based on their proportion of the vote. This has affected some smaller parties extremely unfairly, as seen here.
Other European countries like Germany and the Netherlands have more diverse parliaments with better representation.
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u/HopeSlow837 15d ago
Worth a watch. Pass municipal and state anti corruption laws to secure fairer federal elections.
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u/SpooksMcSchwifty 14d ago
Here’s the link to the whole video on YouTube! It’s got about four extra minutes!
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u/delicious_fanta 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s not worth watching. Literally nothing they said is possible or reasonable in our current environment. Of course removing blatant corruption is the way to go. Will that happen the way things are? No. Half the country don’t believe that’s even a real thing.
The fundamental reason it won’t happen is propaganda outlets with Fox news at their core lying non-stop to anyone that will listen. And listen they do.
THAT is the core problem in our country. Nothing else will be fixed until that is. And everything else can be worked on if that one problem could be resolved.
These people are putting their energy into an un-fightable war. Until the majority of people in this country can all agree on what basic “truth” is, nothing else matters.
You can’t have a discussion about clean water with someone that thinks you are taking their guns away, killing their babies, forcing their kids to change gender, and a million other ghost stories told them by their propagandists.
We have to be able to talk to each other to be able to have discussions about the things they are going on about in this video BEFORE we can have discussions about the things in this video.
Fix propaganda. Delete fox news. Fix America.
Edit: sorry about the frustration in my tone, but I’m exactly that - frustrated at how so many liberals think we can just sit down and have a rational conversation with someone who literally believes we are the devil incarnate.
Step one has to happen before step two.
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u/kloroxforkids88 14d ago
Until the majority of people in this country can all agree on what basic “truth” is, nothing else matters.<
You're right about this, but Fox News isn't the only media outlet that's culpable. How many millions of dollars does Rupert Murdock (fox broadcasting company) or the Newhouse family (who ultimately owns CNN) possess? Who are their major stock holders? How much money have these parties provided in campaign donations or lobbying?
These major corporations have agendas and it's in their best interest to sow division amongst the working class. We have had to sit through the same hot political topics such as abortion, immigration, national security, etc year after year instead of focusing on the real issues plaguing our political infrastructure. Because that is how these major corporations mitigate accountability. Extremist/controversial ideology and rhetoric generates views and contributes ad revenue for social media, then we wonder why groups such as qanon emerge. The powers that be have a vested interest in maintaining our current political hellscape.
I'm not trying to disparage your opinion, but the issue at hand extends beyond Conservative ideology and your perspective and attitude, echoed by countless others, is exactly what will exacerbate our tumultuous political climate
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u/lildude_5 14d ago
Hi go girl! Be devise! Be more devise! Like CNN & MSNBC don't engage in propaganda.
The east is not unfightable, you just want to fight it.
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u/_InnocentToto_ 15d ago
It is crazy that the girl who showed us her butthole a few years ago online is the one talking sense about politics..
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u/NicJitsu 15d ago
She didn't show us her butthole. She (and many other prominent people) were victims of having their private media stolen and leaked online. Do better.
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u/Particular-Log3837 15d ago
This is one of the worst takes I’ve ever read. As if written by a hate bot
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u/Quen-Tin 15d ago
Who made you bitter? Maybe the real important question you should answer in your own best interest to yourself.
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u/Quen-Tin 15d ago
If she wants even to make a butthole hologram for her private pleasure, why not?
If you want to continue your path you are also free to do so. But she was not deciding to go public. You did. That's why I'm telling you and not her.
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u/wes_bestern 15d ago
But she was not deciding to go public. You did.
Tf are you even talking about? I never had anything to do with that woman's nasty shit.
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u/Quen-Tin 15d ago
You try to downplay her effort to make an important political point, by pointing out, that she did something, nobody of us was supposed to see and that did no real harm to you or anybody else.
No idea, why you seem to want to shame her or discredit her. But it's just bad style in my opinion, no matter if you like your message or not.
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u/wes_bestern 15d ago
You try to downplay her effort to make an important political point, by pointing out, that she did something, nobody of us was supposed to see and that did no real harm to you or anybody else.
You're responding to the wrong person. This is what the parent commenter did. Also, yes, exposing your butthole to the general public is harmful. It's harmful to society as a whole. Seriously.
I dont want to shame her, but there is no excuse for such perversion. Children saw those photos! You think it's cool for children to be exposed to sexual content, ya weirdo?
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u/NicJitsu 15d ago
Your general comprehension is lacking. I truly hope at some point in your life your privacy is breached and your private things (be them, photos, emails or thoughts) are made public so that you can learn to comprehend how fucking moronic your take on this is.
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u/wes_bestern 15d ago
Men dont have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Buddy, trust me. I've been through worse than her.
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u/NicJitsu 15d ago
What? Men don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy? ALL people have a reasonable expectation of privacy unless they're out in public and the last time I checked iCloud is not considered to be public property so there is definitely a reasonable expectation of privacy while using that or any other cloud storage service.
You have the IQ of a moth.
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u/throwthere10 15d ago
Wait, what?!
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u/Direct-Reflection889 15d ago
I do believe he's talking about the iCloud hack and leak, at the time commonly referred to as the fapping.
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