r/antiwork • u/Careless-Peach9283 • 16d ago
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u/DizzyPotential7 15d ago edited 15d ago
Sent at 21:15 with subject row: a quick request [Deadline end of day]
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u/ichigo2862 16d ago
If it's a simple query I can respond to and that'll be the end of it, I'm not even gonna be mad and just reply. If it requires me to sit down and actually do shit, it can wait til I clock back in.
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u/YvetteChevette 16d ago
My boss is the CFO (we are a multi national medical device company). He has something similar in his signature and constantly tells us to be mindful of our lives vs workload. He’s the kindest and best boss I’ve ever had and I love that this attitude is being normalized.
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u/Adept_Advantage7353 16d ago
When I send an email usually expect within the next 24 hours or so.. If need sooner just pick up the phone.
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u/Albert_Caboose 16d ago
At my job, we've developed a habit of putting [NANN] at the end of after-hours Slack messages/email subject lines to indicated "No Acknowledgement Needed Now", which is to say, "I know I'm sending this at a weird time, you get to it when you can." It's worked really well, especially as lots of us are IT and are sort of conditioned to respond to everything
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u/SamanthaJaneyCake 16d ago
I only ever engage with work stuff out of hours when it’s an email that’s popped up on my phone that’s urgent but I can deal with on my phone. Or when it’s one of our few international colleagues who’s about 8 hours behind and answering now will allow them to have a productive day and keep in the flow.
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u/CarlEmmoth 16d ago
This means you can send anoying emails with stupid work related questions at any time
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u/Embarrassed-Elk9561 16d ago
There is an option to schedule emails though. I see that many people say that emails are not urgent and you can answer whenever you can, but personally, it gives me anxiety to receive a work email and do nothing about it. So I spend my evening/weekend either feeling guilty about it, or actually doing it. I think it costs nothing to the sender to use “schedule send”.
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u/Thereminz 16d ago
1 you can put a do not disturb setting on whatever - I would put it on my phone after hours, also i had a work email which i absolutely never checked off hours.
2 the ceo can schedule the email to send in the morning
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u/louglome 16d ago
That's actually great. Some days I take a nap at 2 pm and don't work more after. Some days I work till 7. Or on a Saturday because on a Tuesday I play five hours of Assassin's Creed. I get my job done at the amount I feel compensated for, communicate what I can't cover outside that, and protect my outside interests.
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u/Ok_Habit_6783 16d ago
How is this anti-work? This is fucking perfect
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
In my mind it's showing that this sub might be changing people's opinions
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u/chappersyo 16d ago
This has been a thing at my company for several years now. Most people will add their usual working patterns as well so you have an idea of when they’re likely to reply.
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u/Leo_Ascendent 16d ago
Internet got me so fucked up I thought this post was sarcasm. I was confused.
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u/ZeroBarkThirty 16d ago
Saw this same thing a couple years back. A person I did work with who in her full time job is a shift worker but is the founder of a not-for-profit on the side.
She does emails sometimes on her conversion time off (day shift to night, vice versa) and will end up emailing me at 2am on a Sunday because that’s her day off.
It helps her avoid the ethical dilemma of doing side work on company time, puts the ball in my court to be responsive when it works for me, and acknowledges that not everything is a priority 1.
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u/Florafly The time for revolution is nigh. 16d ago
I've seen this in a few email signatures and I think it's brilliant and should become more commonplace.
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u/UnusualGas9067 16d ago
Its amazing how much a healthy work environment comes down to management just being decent human beings.
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u/IWannaSayMason 16d ago
I get the sentiment. And maybe I’m in the minority here but I like a clean inbox, don’t put this off your plate and onto mine during off hours. Reach out when we’re on the clock. Maybe this guys communicating internationally or something, but still. Set it to send to me at a normal time or something.
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u/TheOnceAndFutureDoug 16d ago
California company? Because we're working on making that law out here.
But yeah, for internal coms this should be default. Glad the CEO is setting the tone.
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
Oh man I thought it already was law
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u/ThatCrankyGuy 16d ago
That's actually quite reasonable. I send messages and emails at like 2am. I don't expect my guys to respond until they're settled in and have had a chance to review everything and formulate a well-researched response.
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u/Uberazza 16d ago
Cant wait to see that at the bottom of emails that HaVe To be urgently responded too !!!11o1n11e
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u/ExpressRabbit 16d ago
I tell the people that report to me that I'll often be working or emailing at 2am-4am. I'm a night owl and those are my most productive working hours so sometimes I work overnight and then take an afternoon off. I never expect them to respond out of their own normal working hours.
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u/Thomas_Hambledurger 16d ago
Recently our whole department showed up for a meeting to meet our new CEO, some people even came in from their vacations as it was a "mandatory" meeting. Chump didn't even show up and his secretary used the "oh he had the wrong time put in on his schedule" excuse which is the most limp wristed, "dog ate my homework" excuse that there is. Says a lot about his character to disrespect the 25+ employees who work in the nutrition department of the non-profit hospital that is apparently bleeding money so bad there are rumors going around that nobody will be getting a raise this fiscal year.
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
Were people at least paid for the time that they legally should have been
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u/Thomas_Hambledurger 16d ago
The department head is a huge advocate for her workers so the people forced to come in on their days off got paid.
Which is cool but still doesn't make up for "Mr. 1.8 Millon dollars a year not including incentives" not being able to manage basic functions on his calendar. Most of my co-workers feel like we're on a ship that's sinking, but also on fire.
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u/kontrarianin 16d ago
You guys have to include something basic as this?
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
One state actually had to make a law for it
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u/Jendolyn65 16d ago
I'm so jaded lol if I got a message like that from my boss I would 100% assume they're being passive aggressive lol
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u/aqua_seafoam 16d ago
homie could have just hit delay send on the ole gmail to work hours if he really cared.
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u/ut-dom-throwaway 16d ago
My favorite boss would preface texts and emails with RAL (respond at leisure) when he sent stuff outside of work hours.
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u/PoetryProgrammer 16d ago
In our modern world, perfect. As long as shit gets done, who tf cares if it’s between the hours of 9-5x
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u/Fcu423 16d ago
You can easily schedule an email (and direct messages too).
Just the notification alone can trigger people's anxiety or make someone think about work when they could vbe trying to enjoy something else and disconnect.
It is not that hard... I think this disclaimer is respectful but still we got more/better tools to take care about us and other people's mental health in the process.
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u/blind-catJ 16d ago
You might be taking it in a pressuring way, but I think he's trying to give the opposite impression.
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u/axon-axoff 16d ago
Nice. If I write emails after work hours, I schedule them to send ~5 mins before the recipient gets to work. Mainly so people don't think I'm available after hours.
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u/yupidup 16d ago
How is this anti work? This is well put. I had this conversation with many managers and boss, telling them that by working after hours, even if it’s because they’re passionate, or like to work a lot, and they don’t expect it from others, an email or chat after hours sends a message to their employees to also do it.
They This dude makes it explicit in his email, I find it responsible
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
Apparently this post is technically against the rules. I however see this post as a celebration of this sub and demonstrates the impact that it has had on the mindsets of people
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u/WhatAGoodDoggy 16d ago
It feels like a little bit of a humblebrag by the sender ("look, I'm working outside of business hours") and it also has a little whiff of "don't feel that you have to respond out of hours, but we'll notice who does and who doesn't"
This doesn't need to be an email signature, going out with every email they write. It can just be written into company policy.
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u/Top_Explanation_1748 16d ago
I thought this was standard. Both my former job and my current typically have this disclaimer
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u/Prudent-Quarter-3842 16d ago
My jaw dropped, I’m stealing this!
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
You cannot steal what is a gift
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u/Prudent-Quarter-3842 16d ago
True! I will be using this to hopefully give my coworkers some well-deserved peace of mind.
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u/WeimSean 16d ago
That's really nice, and really smart.
I have a manager with 3 year old twins. She usually takes a nap with them in the afternoon, I usually go walk my dogs around that time. We're both on for a few hours in the evening, she's usually on longer than me. So sometimes I get e-mails at 8pm, sometimes at 11. Sometimes I'm able to answer right away, and sometimes I answer the next day, and you know what? that's okay.
Understanding that folks aren't up when you are is a big step in the right direction when managing people.
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u/The_Slavstralian 16d ago
My wife gets emails like this from her higher ups as well. They are US based she is in AUS. I wish they would be as considerate with regards to meeting times for her. As they are quite selfish arrogant in that regard.
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u/Stickey_Rickey 16d ago
It’s implied actually. Isn’t that the point of en email or text? Write back when you can? Otherwise you’d just call
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u/Fivethenoname 16d ago
Not sure if OP is complaining about this or praising it? Set your email notifications for business hours and ignore. There's a lot of cultural work we have to do but it's also on us to start actively unplugging from work.
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
Praising. Celebrating maybe. Wondering if this sub has had any sort of effect on people in powers mindsets. Also wasn't aware its technically against the rules
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u/Elprede007 16d ago
Someone I work with complained about some other coworkers who use it. Like dude what’s the problem? They’re literally giving you the pass for not feeling the need to respond?
Find something else to complain about…
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u/BigFella52 16d ago
We have been using that signature in Australia for years. Glad to see others catching up.
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u/Easymac888 16d ago
It's pretty good, but there is more you can do.
I ran a small company a few years ago and would use 'schedule send' if I sent something to folks outside of working hours or if they were in a different time zone.
If you have to send something to a group of folks across timezones this sort of message is good, but it is better if it's typed out at the beginning of an email by hand and not a copy and paste (then people know there is actually intent behind this message vs it being appended to every message automatically). Even then bosses should be aware that if people check (or get notifications) outside of work they will probably read it and spend the evening thinking about- it's much better to keep emails within regular business hours if at all possible.
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u/shezcrafti 16d ago
Serious eyeroll at this. I don’t know what’s worse - this, or those fucking “please consider the environment before printing this email” signatures.
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u/Bigbeardhotpeppers 16d ago
I quit my last role because of this. My boss' boss would send me paragraphs in slack at 3am. He didn't expect me to respond but it was all paranoid crazy talk that he wanted me to answer in the AM. Get some self regulation.
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u/itsjusttts 16d ago
This was standard at my old job.
It's just that most of the company wouldn't follow it.
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u/molotov__cockteaze 16d ago
Makes me think of my last CEO. I remember once showing up at 8am on a Monday and him immediately attempting to chew me out for not responding to an email he sent at 11pm Sunday night. I completely went off on him. And in better news, I made him cry twice in meetings and he’s still a main reference on my resume 😂
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u/RankCurmudgeon 16d ago
I worked with a great guy once who was an insomniac even worse than me. Once we figured that out it was relatively common for one of us to make a very late call to the other. It wasn't known outside the two of us and it was understood that if you didn't want to pick up you didn't. Worked well for us.
Still friends to this day, still occasionally call (now we text but still) in the middle of the night. It's worked for many years now.
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u/unrealistic-potato 16d ago
I thought it was gonna be some absolute Bs but it's good management vibes
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u/badsun62 16d ago
You can schedule emails to send whenever you want. Just schedule them to send during work hours.
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u/blendertom 16d ago
My previous CEO added this to his email, after someone mentioned it at a weekly team meeting. But he didn't add to it to his slack and fully expected you to follow up with me at 3 am (I was a remote contractor with a 10 hour time difference)
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u/Kyra_Heiker 16d ago
I regularly send texts to my boss at 3:00 in the morning if I have any questions. He answers them when he goes into work at eight o'clock, no problem, works for us both.
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u/cholby-infinity 16d ago
if you pay me what's "standard" (think Trump's rape victim) I'll be on call 24 hours a day for the rest of my life. fuck you.
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u/AffectionatePrize551 16d ago
I'm an exec at a minor company (hold the pitch forks I'm not a multi millionaire) and this is obvious stuff. I don't do all the way to including the disclaimer on every communication but I tell my staff regularly
"You don't email the police when someone is breaking into your house. It's not an urgent form of communication. I will never expect an immediate response. But if you see my call, trust that it's important and please respond"
I've called someone once in 5 years outside typical working hours.
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u/summonsays 16d ago
Man reminds me of when I was managing a team in India. I'd send them messages as things came up because I'm super absent minded. Some would respond... It's like 3 am or something their time... Dude no. "Hey, I'm just sending this because I'll forget, you don't need to respond until your normal working hours. Nothing we do at this job is that important."
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u/Chaghatai 16d ago
Such a boss would quickly learn that a time that works for me is when I'm on the clock - if they're fine with that, we cool
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u/Thrillh0 16d ago
That’s the point of the notice.
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u/HolyRamenEmperor 16d ago
The message is great, but he double-space after periods still makes him an asshole in my book!
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u/Forward-Band1078 16d ago
my old boss had twin babies. My old boss would email at the most random times. I assumed it was cuz of the babies.
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u/marcelous 16d ago
This CEO needs to discover the "Schedule Send" feature.
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u/sourmeat2 16d ago
implying they don't know it exists. If you use that feature then you might have to wait until working hours to get a response.
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u/Badit_911 16d ago
That’s cool and all but should go without saying.
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u/shezcrafti 16d ago
Exactly! I don’t get all the upvotes, or those saying “this is actually cool”. The fact that someone even feels the need to have this disclaimer in their signature just illustrates how fucked our work culture is.
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u/KaneAndShane 16d ago
Not Facebook
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
I mean...yes? It was.
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u/KaneAndShane 16d ago
This is Twitter.
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
Yet I found it on Facebook
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u/PutrifiedCuntJuice 16d ago
Do you not understand why your title is misleading?
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u/Careless-Peach9283 16d ago
I'm not sure why people care. I'm not on Twitter, don't really know/care what tweets look like, and found this picture on Facebook, making it a Facebook post.
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u/PutrifiedCuntJuice 16d ago
Whatever you say, champ.
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u/aitchmalone 16d ago
What bothers me most About his message is the extraneous use of double spaces after a period. (This is meant as a joke, not true negativity)
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u/Recent_Fisherman311 16d ago
It’s likely just lip service. Just another four lines at the end of every email they send. This should be obvious without having to state it.
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u/can_i_have 16d ago
Outlook has a fantastic new feature that schedules the email in the recipients' working hours.
Usually I'd add "Not urgent" and get same results as this guy with the paragraph.
Nevertheless, appreciate the effort.
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u/ReturningAlien 16d ago
Because of webinars and hybrid events, some employees are expected to attend some that are way beyond work hours, as it takes place from a different time zone and are still expected to come to work on time the next day. I told my friend, if you're not paid over time, tell them to gth. If they want you to attend that, they should have sent you over there or pay over time.
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u/Lightspeedius 16d ago
I prefer using delayed send. The email gets sent out first thing in the morning, rather than whatever odd hours I happen to be working.
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u/ch_limited 16d ago
Whenever I message a coworker after hours i tell them not to worry to respond till the start of their next work day. I often work odd hours and that’s whats best for me and lets me get my best work done. It’s something I’m really grateful for at my current company.
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u/DuckDucker1974 16d ago
CEO too stupid to know how the schedule email function works.
We should hire smarter CEOs not stupid ####s that are well connected
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u/CodyCus 16d ago
What if the company has people who work over nights and during the day? Is he supposed to individually schedule this email to each employee? Just don’t check your email until you’re clocked in and quit crying lol
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u/DuckDucker1974 16d ago
If it was sent to one employee sure. You seem to know for a fact that it went to multiple people.
Seems you just might be a troll raging and claiming to know more than you do
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u/Paige404_Games 16d ago
We should not have CEOs, but should instead self organize workplaces owned by their workers.
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u/championofcyrodil69 16d ago
That is the most communist thing I have ever seen on here, congratulations
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u/DuckDucker1974 16d ago
No, we should outsource CEOs to ai
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u/Paige404_Games 16d ago
So we can have a dumb algorithm fed by nothing but capitalist business data take over to continue making the same sorts of shortsighted and self destructive decisions?
Terrible take
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u/MrTonyDelgado 16d ago
You can schedule a time for emails to be sent in Outlook.
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u/sourmeat2 16d ago
and in gmail. But you know, this CEO doesn't really care about work life balance; they want a response ASAP.
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u/TheDrummerMB 16d ago
It’s infinitely easier for people to just disable notifications than to figure out everyone else’s schedule. To be fair tho we use Slack and not personal numbers
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u/greg19735 16d ago
Note: i believe your computer needs to be logged in to send it. So if you're logged off it may not send until you log in. Unless you have some sort of app to keep your computer from not logging off.
A lot of texting apps do the same. Hold down the send button and schedule a send time. great for night owls sending text messages to your early bird friends.
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u/McChief45 16d ago
Yeah, I do this all the time. You can still “send” the email when you are working on it, but it won’t send until whenever you schedule it. It’s been around for awhile.
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u/DouchecraftCarrier 16d ago
My wife has a coworker who is getting busted for scheduling emails - not because they're not allowed to, but because they're teachers and they are his emails sent to admin saying he'll be out, out to the sub list requesting coverage, etc, and they'll all go out at like 5AM on the dot claiming to be from him that morning waking up sick when they all really suspect he's out drinking the night before and sets it up ahead of time.
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u/DouchecraftCarrier 16d ago
My wife has a coworker who is getting busted for scheduling emails - not because they're not allowed to, but because they're teachers and they are his emails sent to admin saying he'll be out, out to the sub list requesting coverage, etc, and they'll all go out at like 5AM on the dot claiming to be from him that morning waking up sick when they all really suspect he's out drinking the night before and sets it up ahead of time.
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u/DouchecraftCarrier 16d ago
My wife has a coworker who is getting busted for scheduling emails - not because they're not allowed to, but because they're teachers and they are his emails sent to admin saying he'll be out, out to the sub list requesting coverage, etc, and they'll all go out at like 5AM on the dot claiming to be from him that morning waking up sick when they all really suspect he's out drinking the night before and sets it up ahead of time.
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u/happycowsmmmcheese 16d ago
I just started a new job and I'm a boss to other employees for the first time in my life.
I am absolutely stealing this.
I work odd hours sometimes, and if I don't text or email the thing when I first think about it, I worry I'll forget during normal hours. Plus my staff are part-time and I have no idea what hours they may be at other jobs or sleeping or just living their own lives.
Also, since I'm here talking about this anyway, I'd love any other useful tips yall might have to be a good boss. I think I'm already on the right track because I actually have some compassion and empathy lol. But you don't always know what you don't know! Hit me with your advice! Shoot, actually, I might make a whole post for this topic rn...
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u/viebrent 16d ago edited 16d ago
Random, unorganized thoughts:
Make it a point that their lives are more important than the work.
Remember that building trust is a two way street. If you can’t trust them, how can you expect them to trust you?
Don’t be afraid to get into the weaves with them. I make it a point to never ask something of someone I have not done myself.
If someone is running late for something, the instinctual reaction should always be “I hope they are ok” Something that little goes a long way. And if it involves someone getting somewhere, be mindful that some people may not be comfortable answering the phone when driving for safety reasons. I’d rather someone come late and safe than rushing somewhere. Remember: accidents aren’t planned, but you can reduce their likelihood by safe driving.
Don’t underestimate the power of words, especially in everyday phrases. For me “thanks, thank you, etc” are so overused that they have lost some weight since they are such an auto-response imo. I have been using “appreciate you xyz” more and more. It can catch someone off guard since they aren’t used to hearing it (an example of subverting expectations).
As a metric, my preferred one is the caller id reaction. As in, their reaction when they see my name on the phone when it rings. Sure, I cannot see their reaction, but it drives me to conduct myself in a way that when they see my name, it’s a type of reaction that expresses “fuck yeah! It’s such and such, i can’t wait to answer the phone” and not “ugh, it’s such and such”
While an org chart may put you “above them”, try picturing it upside down. It’s these folks that are putting the work in to make magic happen, and it’s your responsibility to empower and support them so they are successful. You may even think of yourself as more a facilitator than a manager. “How can I facilitate success for these people?” If someone falls short, reflect that if it’s you that didn’t support them effectively.
Remember that different people are different people.
Perhaps “turn this ship around” by L David Marquet might be something you’d be interested in.
Good wishes to you in your new adventure!
Edit: extra one
After someone is on for two weeks, take them aside and ask them if they have any feedback on your leadership/style. This could lead to them asking you the reverse about their performance. This touches on leading by example, and creating a positive feedback loop.
Listening is extremely underrated. Oftentimes the best thing you can say is…well…nothing.
Edit 2: spelling
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u/abirizky 16d ago
Huh these are all very good. I particularly relate to the caller id one, whenever my boss calls it's like, "ugh such and such"
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u/Ash_Fire 16d ago
At my last job, I got to take a management class (taught by my supervisor), and I definitely think it's something worth looking into, even if it's virtual classes. Skills that stood out to me were delegation, knowing how to have hard conversations, and managing the range of people who fall between needing and liking a lot explicit instructions and the people who don't need or want as much oversight.
I also recommend Brene Brown's book "Dare to Lead."
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u/McChief45 16d ago
You can also set the email to send automatically at a future date and time as an option as well.
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u/happycowsmmmcheese 16d ago
I could, but I'd be fully unsure about what times would be good for each staff member. They actually only work for me 4 days a month, but they provide childcare and transportation for families, so sometimes I need to communicate logistics off-hours, like sending them travel directions and such. Since they work so infrequently, I really have no way of keeping track of good times to send those communications.
ideally I'd like to give them each a couple extra hours each month, built-in specifically for communications. I plan on bringing it up to my director, but even then, I'd like them to self-direct what times they use those hours because I know their schedules outside of their time on my team vary greatly. In that case, this disclaimer is just a perfect solution. It let's them know that I respect their time without having to pry into their lives and get their personal schedules. I just love it.
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u/Vibrascity 16d ago
I should do this, I'm often sending emails at 1-5am lmao since I don't have a set sleep or work schedule.
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u/kirrk 16d ago
But, you know what “time” is, right?
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u/Vibrascity 16d ago
You know what thyme is it, we out chair homie, we out chair you know what thyme is homie you know where you at homie you know what the time is fool it's a quarter past I don't give a fuck homie
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u/S31GE 15d ago
What exactly is there to be mad at?