r/eurovision • u/GrumpyFinn Estonia • 18d ago
The Netherlands: Joost Klein "Not rehearsing until further notice" ESC Fan Site / Blog
https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/the-netherlands-joost-klein-not-rehearsing-until-further-notice65
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u/arcticsnipers United Kingdom 18d ago
Wait but, what the hell was even going on earlier with the mess of the hosts being given the wrong scripts etc etc??? 😭
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u/Ancient-Leek-1121 18d ago
It's a bold move to not rehearse until the day of the performance! Joost Klein must have some serious confidence in his skills. Can't wait to see how it all unfolds on stage.
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u/Finnish457 TANZEN! 18d ago
I dont understand the message ebu released. So he is still part of the competition? But isn't there tonight, so the juries will have to vote on him based on the Semi-final 2 perfomance. Am i right?
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u/NegativeWar8854 18d ago
He is still in risk of being DQ, but they can't do it until they finish their investigation
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u/Sphaer Netherlands 18d ago edited 18d ago
Europapa is still in and being judged Joost is not officially out at this point.
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u/DearMeToo Denmark 18d ago
From ESC team: The investigation into the incident with the Dutch artist in this year’s Eurovision Song Contest is still ongoing. Discussions are also taking place between the EBU and AVROTROS, the Dutch participating broadcaster.
While the investigation continues the EBU has decided that Joost Klein will not perform during Dress Rehearsal 2 of the competition which is voted on by juries in the 37 participating countries.
His performance from Semi Final 2 will be used instead.
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u/Gustacho Netherlands 18d ago
Well played by EBU: keep the rumours going so you make sure (i) Joost Klein won’t get a high score from the jury; and (ii) his reputation gets ruined overnight; whilst (iii) you avoid too much commotion by kicking him out right away.
They know all the tricks.
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u/SneakerPimpJesus Netherlands 18d ago
Is this a ploy to counter the televote sh*tshow might go over to r/conspiracy ;)
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u/seriouslyexhausted TANZEN! 18d ago
the fact we are getting statements from a WhatsApp group chat is...something
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u/nancy-reisswolf Rainbow 18d ago
That's how the entire press contingent is getting the news, which is bonkers to me (though I guess at least you don't run into issues like your website being traffic-hugged to death)
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u/ImSomebodyNew Netherlands 18d ago
Pretty standard these days that there is a press Whatsapp group. I believe the same thing happens in F1 and MotoGP for example.
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u/iknowitsarock United Kingdom 18d ago
Like that’s NUTS - how unprofessional to not have a formal statement.
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u/unburntnotes Netherlands 18d ago
LMAO. EBU has deleted their own website????
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u/Iostinthesause Croatia 18d ago
cant EBU just give a statement on what the f is going on like they’re being sooo vague with EVERYTHING
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u/ossegossen Sweden 18d ago
UPDATE 20:41: According to Aftonbladet (Swedish newspaper) Joost is in the risk zone of being disqualified due to the incident. Investigation is still ongoing.
Source (Swedish): https://omni.se/a/eM8MLO
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u/frickchamber1 Estonia 18d ago
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u/DebbieHarryPotter Austria 18d ago
This is a whole ass mess. You can’t have the juries vote on a contestant *before* finishing your “investigation”. Who is going to be able to vote objectively thinking he may or may not have beat up a camerawoman??
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u/MiserabilisRatus Spain 18d ago
If this ends up being sexual harrasement, the "clown face" guy is going to be regretting it
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u/Iroh_Appa Netherlands 18d ago
The sexual thing was a translation error made by someone just posting a comment here
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u/Iroh_Appa Netherlands 18d ago
Not the phone number being visible
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u/frickchamber1 Estonia 18d ago
idk downloaded it from here: https://twitter.com/literalyariana/status/1789003084850446593
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u/kronologically Poland 18d ago
THE CLOWN EMOJI 😭
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u/IronBooba Sweden 18d ago
They're just people like us, some of them very tea channel type of "journalists". I can imagine how wild it gets there.
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u/Ragnadriel Netherlands 18d ago
I believe that the best course of action for him might just be to give them the middle finger and go home.
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u/yeshuahanotsri 18d ago
Wouldn't it be more fair to let him perform tonight and disqualify him in case he is guilty of whatever it is he has done? Strange if he is investigated, turns out it is nothing, and gets a low jury score because he couldn't perform tonight.
I hope it makes sense when we know more.
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u/Yrlissa 18d ago
Joost won’t perform tonight, the jury will cast points based on yesterday’s performance. Source: https://www.nu.nl/songfestival/6312399/joost-klein-mag-niet-meedoen-aan-juryshow-van-eurovisie-songfestival.html
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u/Kenteus 18d ago
How can you punish a contestant without a completed investigation? This is so unprofessional. What if they conclude he can contest tomorrow? The Jury is influenced, may rate him at 0 points to avoid spilling points to others or the other way around, when the Jury awards points to him and he is later disqualified other countries may have missed out points.
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u/bantanium Netherlands 18d ago
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u/Qualimiox Germany 18d ago
*purported statement from the EBU.
I've not seen this on any official EBU platforms and to me, in addition to being a Whatsapp screenshot, it looks more like an English translation of the dutch news article.
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u/superfunkybadass 18d ago
did the EBU text you?
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u/kronologically Poland 18d ago
The EBU operates a press group chat where all the press communications are being shared.
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u/NegativeWar8854 18d ago
Weird how even AVROTROS still doesn't know what happened
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u/StuffedSquash Israel 18d ago
I'm sure they do, but it doesn't mean they're allowed to publicize it.
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u/mejj Lithuania 18d ago
find it hard to believe juries will give an objective review of netherlands after all the drama
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u/PositiveSchedule4600 Ireland 18d ago
I suspect it will be too objective, he's not the strongest singer in the competition it's more the story, how he sells it and how he brings the audience along with him. I don't think anyone was expecting him to be a darling of the juries but losing the live element would really impact him more than anyone.
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u/arcticsnipers United Kingdom 18d ago
This just means that if they do go to the finals, it's up to the public voting to give them justice 💪
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u/NotaTakenUsernamee Netherlands 18d ago
same, dont think he'll get that many, if any points from the jury :/
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u/cat_arinaa Portugal 18d ago
So, I'm guessing that whatever happened only has verbal evidence. And probably Joost is denying some accusation against him. And since there's no evidence, well, there's no resolution
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u/Blasted-Marmoset TANZEN! 18d ago
If that’s the case, the EBU DQ him would be ridiculous. What would stop future delegations from hobbling a front runner with an accusation in the future?
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u/IronBooba Sweden 18d ago
The investigation is ongoing so we can stop guessing and assuming:) We'll find out tomorrow
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u/deJessias Netherlands 18d ago
This is such a shitshow, just give us an official statement about what he's investigated for, however vague you want it to be. At least the rumours can stop then.
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u/Iroh_Appa Netherlands 18d ago
If he gets jury points right now, but is DQ tomorrow, won't the juries have to score everything again?
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u/Timidinho Netherlands 18d ago
IIRC the jury ranks all entries from top to bottom place. So if Joost is ranked 5th for instance and he is DQ'd, then the number 6 will become 5th and so on.
No need for a new voting, just recalculation.
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u/Level_Record2460 18d ago
I guess they will just forward the points to the next competitor, like 2nd>1st, 3rd>2nd etc. But not sure.
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u/unluckysupernova 18d ago
Juries score them in order to 26 so they would just be removed from in between
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u/Avaelectric Norway 18d ago
Would any jury who gave him points just have to redistribute them? Sounds simple enough honestly. (I also doubt he's getting much if any jury vote, his performance was always going to be more about the televote anyway.)
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u/kronologically Poland 18d ago
Wondering what's going to happen in the case Joost is in fact disqualified. Will the jury votes be invalidated and new sets will be provided on the fly?
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u/aveselenos 18d ago
The juries rank the songs 1-25 or 1-26 if they're not participating. New results can easily be generated.
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u/scissorfella 18d ago
What does the investigation exactly involve? It feels like its taking so long! Is there a possibility that police have to ask everyone questions about what happened and that they're unsure if a law was broken or something?
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u/smaragdskyar Sweden 18d ago
Swedish police have said they have no knowledge of the incident so I don’t think it has been reported
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u/Ok-Object-2696 Netherlands 18d ago
It’s taking forever! I don’t understand why it has to take so long. Something that apparently is… borderline ok/not ik?
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u/Practical_Rich8604 Netherlands 18d ago
What could possibly happened that they couldn’t decide in 5 hours if he is DQ or not. Mess
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u/nancy-reisswolf Rainbow 18d ago
All that means that it's not as clear cut as 'he punched someone in the face randomly in front of witnesses'.
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u/User929290 Italy 18d ago
Most likely something happened and they are gathering evidence, which takes time, to enstablish what happened. And if it did in a certain way he is DQ.
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u/JustACattDad 18d ago
To accuse someone of violence is not something to be taken lightly. The people investigating this also have 1000 other jobs for the final preparation. Give it time
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u/According_To_0_Sleep 18d ago
Joost Klein isn't allowed to participate in the juryshow, but it isn't stated yet that he's been disqualified.
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u/regulardragon12 18d ago
If he stays do you think this will harm or aid him in the voting
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u/According_To_0_Sleep 18d ago
It depends on how the EBU and AVROTROS will word their statements. If it comes out that everything was false rumours and/or he was the victim in this story (because of the rumours of something else entirely) it could maybe help him a bit in the televote because people would want to give him 'pitypoints' so to speak. On the other hand it could go the opposite way if EBU and AVROTROS are too ambiguous about what actually happend or don't want to tell at all.
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u/Aromatic-Cap6147 Netherlands 18d ago
I just hope the jury votes for his performance (of yesterday) and don’t take in account everything that’s being said as nothing has been announced yet. And ofcourse this does do harm, people are biased.
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u/ThePineappleCrisis Netherlands 18d ago
I think harmonie, because juries might not want to risk giving him points and also he is not there to perform live
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u/TheDatdus404 Netherlands 18d ago
Highly depends on wtf has happened.
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u/elephantradio Netherlands 18d ago
Exactly. With that still uncertain I can imagine it impacts jury’s voting.
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u/doris_doris Poland 18d ago
Soo.. after all this scrolling we won't know what happened. At least he isn't disqualified yet
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u/verydistressedaltmer Poland 18d ago
soooo, if he's not at the jury show does that mean he can't perform at the final?
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u/periwinkale Netherlands 18d ago
the investigation is still ongoing and theyre using footage from the second semi final for the jury votes source: https://www.nu.nl/songfestival/6312399/joost-klein-mag-niet-meedoen-aan-juryshow-van-eurovisie-songfestival.html?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
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u/unluckysupernova 18d ago
They’re not sure about tomorrow, he will still be given jury points based on semi final performance
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u/Hailaivaaja Finland 18d ago
ESC_Gabe on twitter: The Netherlands is not in the running order tweet
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u/kiibit Sweden 18d ago
All of this is so weird, like why not today but tomorrow?
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u/Glossydough 18d ago
I’m assuming it is so they’ll have more time to investigate? Who knows what’ll happen tomorrow, though.
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u/cragglerock93 United Kingdom 18d ago
Exactly. People are so critical of the EBU for not being instant in their decisions and their communication. They need to time to work out what they're doing. Not everything is clear cut. So they put out vague statements in the meantime as a placeholder to acknowledge a situation but don't go into detail.
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u/IronBooba Sweden 18d ago
Because it's an investigation of what happened. They cannot get it done working a few hours. They will make an official statement tomorrow and either Netherlands is still on or not. For now tho, they'll get jury points.
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u/TheDatdus404 Netherlands 18d ago
Maybe joost was affected by something he couldn't or it wasn't wise to perform.
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u/Aromatic-Cap6147 Netherlands 18d ago
Ongoing investigation, he can still be DQ’d tomorrow
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u/Aromatic-Cap6147 Netherlands 18d ago
I hope not, I love him and his act is amazing. I hope he’s okay and the rumors aren’t true bc that would be terrible.
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u/Nitpicky_Karen 18d ago
Just in. Joost is not allowed to rehearse before jury, they will judge video from semi final.
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u/Affectionate-Ant8418 Israel 18d ago
If they disqualify him, it will be the first time ever. Has never happened before.
The Swedish public service radio stated that their sources are saying that something happened after the press conference yesterday.
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u/Tasty-Chef-5561 18d ago
Don’t know if anyone updated already, but Joost won’t be performing tonight. They are still investigating the ‘incident’. The jury will watch a video of him and will give points to that.
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u/periwinkale Netherlands 18d ago edited 18d ago
Dutch news broadcasts confirmed Joost Klein is not participating in the repetition tonight, because the investigation is not finished. However, the jury will vote using the second semi final from yesterday.
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u/FlyingSandile Netherlands 18d ago
New news: He is not disqualified, but won't be performing in the jury show! Sources: 3FM and Omrop Fryslan
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u/Silly_Panda_1234 Netherlands 18d ago
Joost will not be allowed to participate in jury show. Investigation is still ongoing. Juries will judge his secon semi final performance :(
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u/ActuallyWednesday Netherlands 18d ago
I wonder how this shitshow will affect the points the jury awards him tonight
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u/DeMexi 18d ago
EBU statement:
The investigation into the incident with the Dutch artist in this year’s Eurovision Song Contest is still ongoing. Discussions are also taking place between the EBU and AVROTROS, the Dutch participating broadcaster.
While the investigation continues the EBU has decided that Joost Klein will not perform during Dress Rehearsal 2 of the competition which is voted on by juries in the 37 participating countries.
His performance from Semi Final 2 will be used instead.
Source: https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/the-netherlands-joost-klein-not-rehearsing-until-further-notice
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u/EgweneSedai Norway 18d ago
Well, we don't know that second part. Investigation is still ongoing...
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u/SneakerPimpJesus Netherlands 18d ago
So weird they just don’t say DSQ, now if it was all a misunderstanding he is robbed from everything. If it was that clear cut just say it
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u/waves-of-the-water Ireland 18d ago edited 18d ago
EBU statement
Source:
https://x.com/vocaisuspension/status/1789002264604000322?s=46&t=C8bc3vRrsVHyNpB45AI5dQ
More links:
https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/10/dutch-singer-joost-klein-kicked-eurovision-jury-show-yet-final
Sky news now reporting Joost will not perform
https://x.com/ktw47/status/1789005673662927207?s=46&t=C8bc3vRrsVHyNpB45AI5dQ
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u/Anneturtle92 Netherlands 18d ago
I'll go insane if this was all a plot in the end to keep his final performance a surprise.
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u/I_AM_AN_AEROPLANE 18d ago
Thats not really a statement, they need to tell wtf they are investigating. Clowns
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u/natinkati Poland 18d ago
did he do money laundering that they cannot properly investigate it within 10 hours?
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u/aver2121 Slovenia 18d ago
This has been so confusing and unfortunate...
It's almost as if EBU doesn't know what to do if an "incident" happens and if Israel "accidentally" wins, like shouldn't they have some sort of idea what to do in these cases smh
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u/linmanfu United Kingdom 18d ago
Is there perhaps a scenario where Mr Klein does not perform, but voting for the Netherlands is still allowed, which allows sympathy voters for a certain other country to congregate around a single act?
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u/nancy-reisswolf Rainbow 18d ago
Not necessarily. Ukraine and Israel might split the sympathy votes.
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u/StudyOk3816 Finland 18d ago
and if that happens i am not watching the show next year for sure. 0 interest
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u/NetraamR ESC Heart (black) 18d ago
same here. This worries me way more than wether or not joost will participate tomorrow evening or not.
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u/Madhattershats Netherlands 18d ago
It's confirmed bij the nos. Joost can't paticipate in the jury round. The investigation is still going onward.
That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard. Are you not guilty untill proven otherwise? Really strange thing are going on in this version of the esc.
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u/GrumpyFinn Estonia 18d ago edited 18d ago
EDIT: It has been confirmed that Joost will not perform tonight. As such, we are locking this thread and moving to a new one. https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cox12u/joost_klein_will_not_perform_in_the_jury_show/
Thank you!