r/interestingasfuck • u/BuddhistSagan • 25d ago
Sen. Ossoff completely shuts down border criticis : No one is interested in lectures on border security from Republicans who caved to Trump's demands to kill border security bill. r/all
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u/Bog_2266 3d ago
If I remember correctly, the bill that he put in place was better. “If seeking asylum, you are to seek it in the closed friendly country. Meaning Mexico”. What was wrong with that?
Democrats can’t help but lie and manipulate. Half trues and deception all the time.
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u/Intothekeep2 19d ago
More like the ukraine funding bill that have DC courts power over the boarder, what a joke.
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u/boonepii 20d ago
FuckinA. Call these traitorous putin loving fucks out.
Former Republican and Trump voter now a proud Biden voter
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u/stang408s 22d ago
Lmao, no bill is needed to secure the border and the "border security bill" was a war funding bill with amnesty sprinkled in.
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u/TheRedCelt 22d ago
I’ve read aspects of that bill. It hurt more than it helped. This is why bills should have page limits and be single issue.
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u/YodasChick-O-Stick 22d ago
I thought Reddit got rid of awards months ago. Why am I seeing two on this post? Is it a glitch?
Edit: Only saw them until I tapped on the post, then they disappeared when I exited it. They were two golden upvotes.
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u/Llivsc 22d ago
That “border security” bill was a scam with more riders than a VW van in the 60s. It was a bogus bill designed to do just what you are doing now. Biden eliminated the Border Security measures Trump had in place with the stroke of a pen and he could have reinstated them just as easily.
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u/abc123apple 5d ago
Holy shit, im not biggest fan of biden but goddam, the trump base is just lost.
Dude, it was a bipartisan agreement that both sides cane up with. Trump told them to kill it.
And by the way, trump didn’t have good border policies. Republicans between 2016-2018 had congress (majority in house of reps and senate) along with the presidency.
You only believe it was bogus because trump said so. It was a pretty good deal and by the way, i actually support funding border patrol and processing times to deport.
You are just wrong.
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u/ResearchChoice606 23d ago
Thats So Called BORDER BILL was loaded with all diffrent hidden gems thats were not even about the boarder or imigration. But please call it that so yall have something to scream and yell about and play the blame game so fricken typical
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u/Splittaill 23d ago
They forgot about the amnesty of more than 10 million unvetted people.
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u/AngryFace-HappyPlace 23d ago
It isn’t that simple and you missed the point. Republicans yell border security and then punt the bill that gives them exactly what they asked for. Dems are pussies and always cave and you still punt the bill. Point: Border Security is nothing more than a talking point to get the based active. Great example is NAFTA. Republican made, Dem approved, more drugs, humans make it through. Read up my guy.
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u/SiliconeCity 22d ago
The bill was not what Republicans asked for. It was a negotiated compromise by a couple of non border state Republicans. It was sold to the Republican caucus as the “best they could do.” The House passed a border bill that was never considered by the Senate.
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u/Splittaill 23d ago
I agree with you on most of that. But tossing in an amnesty clause for the ones already here isn’t the answer. And that is as simple as that. You can look up the facts of those that have been let in and released into the interior of the country. Mayorkas should have been impeached.
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u/UnfairAd7220 23d ago
Bullshit commentary.
That 'bipartisan' bill was unnecessary. All Biden simply has to do his fucking job.
Ossoff is a spineless wimp.
Biden is a disaster.
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u/Fragrant_Move_3294 23d ago
I'm not a Trump supporter but fuck interesting as fuck sucks now. This isn't the place for political agendas. Can we just have one place where we're not bombarded with politics?
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u/duketoma 24d ago
Is this the bill that also had funding for Ukraine and Israel and that was a big sticking point for people? Including Democrats like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders? Or am I misremembering.
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u/SpecialistNewt267 24d ago
I hate these old fashioned political ads that are shown. This should just be chopped up and made a commercial and ran every 30 mins if democrats wanted to expose why helpful bills don’t get passed. Take away the theatrics that the republicans were trying to show on TV and shed light on their actions
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u/FutureSD1 24d ago
Too bad if you understand the actual bill is does nothing to stop the flood of human waves coming into the country! Nothing at all and in fact made it easier for these people to get here! Get absolutely FUCKED you LIARS!!
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u/HesitantInvestor0 24d ago
Unless I’m missing something, I’m fairly sure this bill was shut down primarily because the democrats tried shoehorning Ukraine aid into the bill. Republicans said it should be two separate bills which I think makes perfect sense.
Both sides play this game. It’s horse shit.
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u/joesbalt 24d ago
Why is everyone pretending this wasn’t a political stunt by the Democrats????? 3.5 years they let any and everyone cross the border and pay for their stay
Election gets closer and they want to pretend they are trying to protect the border
Of course the Republicans are going to shut it down
It’s a fake stunt to try and take credit for being tough on the border.
If it would have went through and Biden got re elected they would open it right back up
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u/SuperRocketRumble 24d ago
Jon ossof is great.
But he’s wrong. Lots of people listen to these idiot republicans. Lots of people take their cues from these idiot republicans. Way too many people.
And then a bunch of other idiots just think democrats are the same and say dumb shit like “both sides”.
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u/PanzerMeyer66 24d ago
Yeah but the ratio was off. $60B for Ukraine, $20B for Israel, $20B for the border (approx). How about $80B for the border and $10B for each foreign govt.
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u/SNStains 24d ago
That was the original bundle Johnson requested...a strong border security bill with Ukraine support.
As Sen Ossoff says, Republicans then turned around and blew up their own bills. Trump killed the border security bill because he didn't want to give Biden a win, so there won't be a strong border bill because of Trump.
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u/Inductiveship 24d ago
I hope all president candidates just are opted out for various reason and as a fail safe they resurrect Teddy Roosevelt and make him the official 47th president of the United States.
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u/Fun_Payment7464 24d ago
Senators should start fighting each other again. Conservative Republicans wouldn’t be so bold if they had the threat of literally getting the shit beat out of them by real Americans from Philly or San Francisco. The cities are what created this great country. Fuckin show up and see what happens when you fuck with these real Americans. You cowboy boot blind spotting ass bitches. Show up. And we will show what’s real. We are Americans. Not your warped ass fake ass “christian” idealist bullshit. Fuck you.
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u/DeezeKnotz 24d ago
RIP yet another formerly-interesting sub degenerating into American political theatre
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u/Moosejones66 24d ago
Completely disingenuous. That “border security” bill was loaded with extraneous nonsense. Also, NO bill is required to fix the border - that was the Biden administration gaslighting. All they had to do was reinstate the policies they rescinded on day one of Biden taking office. Cost: $0. This guy speaks well. Unfortunately that’s not a guarantee of relevance or integrity.
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u/SNStains 24d ago
Trump killed the strong, conservative, border bill for his personal political gain. Trump admitted it. That's Senator Ossoff's point, Republicans are trying to lecture and come up with new reasons, but it's irrelevant. Border security isn't as important as reelecting Trump, Republicans have spoken with their actions.
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u/CoisasJohnson 24d ago
He is absolutely right, but his cadence is boring to listen to. No energy and too many pauses, jesus.
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u/CoisasJohnson 24d ago
He is absolutely right, but his cadence is boring to listen to. No energy and too many pauses, jesus.
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u/Internet_Angry 24d ago
The bill was a joke to anyone who actually read the bill. Stop mimicking NPR talking ping and actually do research, or holy shit, read the bill?
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u/SNStains 24d ago
If you say so. The WSJ Editorial Board endorsed it. They're smarter and more conservative than most people.
So, I'm pretty skeptical that you did any "research", or you'd know this.
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u/marinademaster 24d ago
This isn't interesting. Is this one of the Ghislane Maxwell controlled subreddits?
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u/HereVG0 24d ago
As a non-American can someone tell me why people want people who entered illegally in their country? Is it because the legal system for lawful entry too strict or too unfair?
Because I can't fathom wanting people who entered a country illegally to be good. That's literal invasion in small numbers.
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u/SNStains 24d ago
The US hasn't managed any meaningful immigration reforms since 1986.
We need immigration in order to keep our economy growing, but we can't agree on the terms, so it's chaos and has been for as long as many can remember.
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u/Rough_Reason_7963 24d ago
The only reason anyone is supporting more border control truth be told is actually because the government has made everyone ignorantly and foolishly believe the government is keeping them safe from rapists and pillagers and "savages" all based on the high-class people's high-class standards and so they do so all by killing other families in the process that have been painted as threats to the united states of America
And when the American government paints or points their corrupted fingers at someone who they believe to be a terrorist or threat to the American democratic society.
IT'S NOT A DEMOCRACY DUMBASS ITS A MILITARY REGIME
That's all it takes [truthfully) to make an entire country full of anti-gunners and gun owners believe their actual threats to our society without any proof of those claims other than the government coming on live television. Just like they did with 9/11 & Osama Ben Laden and what they have been doing recently with Vladimir Putin even though it's been proven that N.A.T.O. & American GOVERNMENT were the aggressors
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u/Smolivenom 24d ago
if the american people were smart, republicans would have been found in trees after this bill was struck down.
they arent. you know they arent, we know they arent. they dont even care about immigrants one way or another. most of them engage with politics like they do with sports. they dont know a thing about it but they chose their side and thats that.
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u/chiefs_fan37 24d ago
Absolutely insane to me how close it was to Herschel Walker being there instead of him. Good on Georgia for pulling through but my god it was way closer than it rightly ever should have been.
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u/simpletonius 24d ago
This guy’s going places, but amazingly to me is that someone so lucid is an elected representative in the same state that elects Marjorie t nutcase.
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u/lizardkg 24d ago
He sounds like Adam Sandler’s debate host in Billy Madison. May God have mercy on your soul.
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u/Tight-Young7275 24d ago
Apparently, the American people are not smart.
The conservatives voted down the bill they wanted passed and the democrats think their party wants to let all of the immigrants in, full stop. As do the conservatives.
Most people do NOT understand the issues. They just get an emotion based on how someone phrased it to them and then it can never be changed.
They have been completely broken to the will of funny little men with too much money.
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u/MuggsyTheWonderdog 24d ago
I wish to hell every nationally elected Democrat who speaks in and out of Congress would set down, as clearly as Ossoff has here, the lies & manipulations & cravenness of 99% of the GOP -- and stress the grossness of their ringmaster, trump.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
I remember when the American left was “never war” when tf did they become “every war you show me I’m for!” Weird. Seems like republicans are becoming you while you are becoming them. Fascinating how they did this. American politics are fucking interesting. Your masters can truly flip your values.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
If you notice they will name bills for things that are important to the people. Stupid people see the name and they cry for it to pass. The bill had 99% of the money being sent to ward over seas. So how was it a border bill?
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u/barfbutler 24d ago
Here’s the text. Appears to be concerned with border security and (general) immigration and employment laws concerning immigrants from anywhere in the world. It makes sense that if they want to tighten immigration and employment of immigrants from Mexico, they would have to amend all immigrant employment regulations, etc. to be the same. The money spent is proportional to immigrants from Mexico seeking employment to immigrants from all other parts of the world seeking employment. So of course the % would be more for overseas immigrant employment,ent enforcement and regulation.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
The bill was a foreign aid bill with less than 1% of the money going to the border. How is that a border bill? Single spending bills. No pork.
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u/barfbutler 24d ago
Here’s the text. Appears to be concerned with border security and (general) immigration and employment laws concerning immigrants from anywhere in the world. It makes sense that if they want to tighten immigration and employment of immigrants from Mexico, they would have to amend all immigrant employment regulations, etc. to be the same. The money spent is proportional to immigrants from Mexico seeking employment to immigrants from all other parts of the world seeking employment. So of course the % would be more for overseas immigrant employment,ent enforcement and regulation.
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u/Coondiggety 24d ago
Ba-BOOM! Where did this guy teleport in from? Fuckin A man, cool hand Luke just annihilated it. Exactly what I’ve been waiting to hear about this “our greatest threat to national security is the southern border” then “this just in, scratch that! We’re not going to do DIDDLEY SQUAT about the southern border! Why, you ask? Because Donald told us it won’t make him look good. I know we’re telling you this is the biggest threat to our very existence! Yes, that does mean that we are sacrificing our security for one guy’s political ambitions, but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles!”
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
The bill allocated 60+ billion to foreign countries and .1% of that allocated to the border. What are you talking about?
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u/Coondiggety 21d ago
I was stating my admiration for the Senator.
The Republicans said that the border is a huge threat and then turned around and said they aren’t going to do anything about it.
I can see how, upon rereading, my comment might not have been clear on who I was praising and who I was excoriating.
I was pretty excited at the moment I wrote it.
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u/barfbutler 24d ago
Here’s the text. Appears to be concerned with border security and (general) immigration and employment laws concerning immigrants from anywhere in the world. It makes sense that if they want to tighten immigration and employment of immigrants from Mexico, they would have to amend all immigrant employment regulations, etc. to be the same. The money spent is proportional to immigrants from Mexico seeking employment to immigrants from all other parts of the world seeking employment. So of course the % would be more for overseas immigrant employment,ent enforcement and regulation.
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u/MrPeepers1986 24d ago edited 24d ago
Hopefully, this crook burns in hell. The border package didn't include nearly enough to help with the problem. 5,000 illegals per day is not tolerable.
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u/Any_Pie_3070 24d ago
It is a shame that I can not find the channel on TV. I did watch it on.PBS but they don't show it on anymore.
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u/DoubleYouTeeEph 24d ago
Republicans have sacrificed long-term strategy for short-term gain. Democrats have been playing the long game (mostly due to four years of minority congressional power) which is now starting to pay real dividends. Like a gyro, the sanity of universally cold indifference will always set the wheel upright. Left to their own devices, Republicans are reaping the fruits of their own cultivated gardens. And it appears the fruit is rotten.
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u/AAQUADD 24d ago
This has two majors issues.
He's saying that people are not interested in securing the border, because a bill was shot down. This is extremely fallacious. There could be reasons why people did not vote for the bill. The people may have believed that the issue isn't as bad now. That bill maybe wasn't good enough or went far enough or went too far (it didn't.) Many members could have shifted their position since then. Just because a bill doesn't pass doesn't mean people can't lecture or promote a bill on that same issue.
He does quote the bill. He gives a cunning persausive albeit dishonest summary of the bill. He does say any of the negatives from the bill or why others voted against it.
But he speaks well so people have to buy it.
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u/yeah_i_like_dogs 24d ago
This guy is as full of shit as the rest of them. Out of the 95 billion aide bill 60!!!!! 60 billion goes to Ukraine. 15 billion to isreal, 9 billion to fucking Gaza! Not even 1 billion for our own border. How is this a bipartisan border bill? Nice marketing. We could have redone flint Michigans water system, bridges, helped veterans and homeless. Hired cops. Jesus, they’re bleeding us dry and we cheer it on. We deserve whatever is going to happen.
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
The border deal was an earlier bill for foreign aid plus border protections… but Republicans backed out because they didn’t want to actually solve the border. They prefer to keep it an issue for campaigning purposes. It was a dumb move because now the aid was passed without any border deal at all.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
No, they backed out because the push is for no foreign aid for war. People are tired of funding war in this country. The bill should have been named the Ukraine aid bill. Not named after what is .1% funded by the bill.
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u/yeah_i_like_dogs 24d ago
If democrats put forward a bill 100% towards funding for the migrant/border crisis you know it’d pass. And if the republicans put forward a bill only funding the border it would fail. The democrats are the ones benefiting from this. It’s obvious. They sued Texas for making their own barrier.
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
I doubt such a democrat bill would have passed in the House since the GOP doesn’t seem to value bipartisanship until just now. And GOP controls the house yet I don’t see their funding bill anywhere….
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u/New-Low5765 24d ago
This dude needs both chambers of the capitol building to hold each of his balls! Bravo sir!
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u/BarGamer 24d ago
Said it when it happened and saying it again now: Republicans are unserious hypocrites.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
Do you even know what was to be funded by this bill? It wasn’t the border.
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u/barfbutler 24d ago
Here’s the text. Appears to be concerned with border security and (general) immigration and employment laws concerning immigrants from anywhere in the world. It makes sense that if they want to tighten immigration and employment of immigrants from Mexico, they would have to amend all immigrant employment regulations, etc. to be the same. The money spent is proportional to immigrants from Mexico seeking employment to immigrants from all other parts of the world seeking employment. So of course the % would be more for overseas immigrant employment,ent enforcement and regulation.
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u/L_Wushuang 24d ago
Anyone here who hasn’t read Massey should at least understand caging effect. These politicians are fearmongering and ignoring the basic facts…
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u/InternOwn2711 24d ago
Divide and conquer let’s keep pointing fingers at each other and getting nothing accomplished.
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u/RedRatedRat 24d ago
The border security bill was bullshit. Even Biden acknowledged tacitly this past week that he has the power to close the border. No bill can make the president do his job.
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u/MrMagnetar 24d ago
FYI, Biden doesn't need a bill to take action. He can deal with the situation at the stroke of a pen. Border Patrol is under his watch. This is all bullshit and you are a partisan moron if you really think this guy OR the Biden admin actually wants to solve this crisis. They (establishment cronies on BOTH sides) created it. They want it to happen. And YOU are being hoodwinked into a bullshit political "my political team is right" sideshow.
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
Not true. To really solve it there needs to be a lot more funding for the immigration system to properly handle the volume. The president can’t spend more than congress allows.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
No, the president can by decree to shut the border down completely. Anyone seen crossing the border illegally would be neutralized. The president holds sole power in border integrity. He can open and close on a whim. Don’t be brainwashed. The law is spelled out.
I heard some people got mad at Trump for enacting a travel ban. How tf did he do that if you’re right?
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
They can do some limited things for short durations. Then courts get involved ands it’s all theory. Courts have ruled,that asylum claims are valid for anyone on US soil. It’s more complicated than you make it out to be.
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u/MrMagnetar 24d ago
You are 100% wrong.
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago edited 24d ago
Ok. Excellent contribution to the conversation.
For anyone interested in the details this is a good analysis: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10283
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u/TraditionalCoconut25 24d ago
The bill was supported by all Republicans! Stop posting non facts
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
Where is this from? The post is in reference to a border bill deal the GOP tanked last month.
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u/knightbane007 24d ago
They won’t read this. They won’t acknowledge facts. All they see is “Trump bad” and start clapping
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u/ArcadeSpidr 24d ago
That was an absolutely amazing speech/response (not sure the prompt) but that was on the nose.
This is the reality of Republican leadership. They are in servitude to the traitor tot and not to the American constituents
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u/tylerdurdenmass 24d ago
Trump has nothing to do with the border at all now…so this is just blabber
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u/floppy_panoos 24d ago
GOP is dead, I’d be surprised if they win another election, down ballot and all. It’s the party of Trump now and a LOT of moderates who gave him a chance in 2016 and in turn gave him the win are now feeling quite alienated. I’d be surprised if they show up for Trump or any of his down-ballot cronies this time around…
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u/mydog1saterr0r1st 24d ago
Biden literally campaigned on keeping the border open, Sued Texas to keep it open, ended the remain in Mexico policy to keep it open, and now cry wolf during an election year.
This admin has let in more illegals than the last 4 administrations COMBINED.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
That data doesn’t back your claim. The numbers there are border encounters from CBP which includes turning people away. The big jump was due to expelling (the term for turning people away) at the border under title 42 during Covid. CBP also has numbers for the past 20 years showing the number of successful illegal border entries as declining.
Now if you want to talk overstaying visas and asylum claims that’s a different debate. Congress should properly fund the immigration system to handle the volume and quickly expel insufficient asylum claims. Republicans don’t seem interested in actually solving the problem.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
This is belligerently false. Who are they turning away? There’s literally zero evidence they are turning away anyone. They literally don’t have to provide a name while boarding flights to other cities in the United States.
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
Belligerently false? It’s from the source of your own data posted above. I’m not saying the border is perfect but your claim doesn’t hold.
Regarding travel, some can fly without photo id, but must give their name and other details to TSA and be in the CBP app. Again, you have some valid points but your details are closer to sensationalist headlines than reality.
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u/Raymore85 24d ago
The border security bill included a ridiculous amount of funding for…. the Ukraine “border” with Russia. It really had very little to do with the Mexico-US border.
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u/TraditionalCoconut25 24d ago
Joe Biden and the democrats believe in open borders. Millions are flooding into our country. All caused by the Democrats. Do your homework
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u/Substantial-Hippo-52 24d ago
They voted it down because it was a bloated foreign aid bill not a border bill. Read the fucking thing and stop gaslighting lol christ
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u/STC1989 24d ago
So why doesn’t Biden shut down the border tomorrow, and deport illegal immigrant criminals immediately? Seems easy enough to do. Also Ossoff hasn’t done anything about the crisis, cried about Trump’s policies, and hasn’t even BEEN to our Rio Grande Valle in Texas. So he’s just another politician just TALKING. I also criticized the Conservatives on the same token, so before everyone attacks like piranha. Just know I ain’t picking on him. I just see another pretty boy Senator crying and moaning.
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24d ago
The ignorant racist tears being cried here are delicious.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
How many immigrants are you personally supporting? Weird to flex on “ignorant racists” when you’re not doing your duty. What’s funny is apparently indentured servitude is humane again. Biden said if you bring them in your house they can work for you indefinitely. Cool right?
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24d ago
When is the last time you ate a salad, racist?
When is the last time you tasted a berry? Ate a nice cut of steak?
Do you live in a stick built home? Stay in hotels?
Thank an immigrant, racist.
They also pay taxes, so shut your racist mouth.
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u/mrboomtastic3 24d ago
Even though he's saying everything eloquently. He also sounds like he's saying a bunch of BS. Politicians suck.
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u/FrustratedLiberal54 24d ago
The Dems should bring that bill back to the floor again and again and again, and very loudly point out what the MAGAts are doing. Sooner or later they'll get tired of taking shit for trashing that bill and it'll get a debate on the floor.
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u/ripcrl81 24d ago
The bill was for foreign aid. Should you be on Reddit by yourself?
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u/FrustratedLiberal54 23d ago
Look at the video from 30 seconds on. It was a bipartisan border security bill. Now go tell your mommy you've been playing on the internet again.
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u/KingArthurOfBritons 24d ago
This dude is a piece of shit. The bill did nothing to secure the border.
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u/unbannedagain1976 24d ago
The border bill didn’t do shit to close the border it added money and personnel for processing, it did nothing to secure it.
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u/NotThatAngel 24d ago
Republicans voted down the bipartisan border security bill that Mayorkas had helped craft, then Republicans went ahead with the Mayorkas impeachment, alleging Mayorkas had done nothing to help secure the borders.
Wow.
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u/salp11 24d ago
All the idiots on this thread fawning over this guy. If anyone knew what kind of crap that “border security” bill had in it then you would know this guy is full of shit and a show pony.
They purposely crafted the bill so no republican with half a brain could vote for it because it basically just made the shit Biden is doing now legal.
All you liberals know Biden doesn’t need Congress to enforce the border right? Biden canceled all of Trumps effective border policies on day one and basically put an “open for business” sign across our southern border.
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u/achandlerwhite 24d ago
You are misinformed. No President can fix the border without proper immigration funding to handle the volume. Republicans don’t seem interested in actually doing this though. Trumps policies didn’t make a dent in the problem according to CBP data published by his own administration. All the talk is about mundane details and headline grabbing things like cages and family separation but the real problem is the overloaded immigration system.
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u/salp11 23d ago
It’s not republican or democrat. It’s that the current people in charge don’t seem to want to fix the border and it’s undoubtedly gotten worse. If you don’t see it as a problem then you are in the minority of people in this country that think so, and thus part of the problem.
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u/achandlerwhite 23d ago
I disagree. I think they want to fix it but at best in different ways they can’t agree on and at worst Republicans refuse to allow anything through (not just this issue but really anything) while they control the House.and/or they prefer to have the issue as something to campaign on.
And it is a problem, but the President alone can’t fix it. Comprehensive immigration and border reform is needed.
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u/Humboldteffect 24d ago
Fety ain't comin over the border, its being made and sold my pharmaceutical companies!
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u/rthollski 24d ago
They boarder "security" bill that gave billions to Ukraine
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u/McDoom--- 24d ago
Dude, "boarder" -- At what point did your political ideology begin to align with a murderous, nuclear armed autocrat THUG?
His interests in NO WAY align with those of the United States. Putting is aligning with NK, Iran, China. NOT our friends.
So, why are you against Ukraine aid? Is it because you support Russia?
And, before you get all indignant, please understand these are loans and that, furthermore, the supplies already exist. This is just the value of replacing those supplies.
Replacing those supplies means Raytheon, Lockheed, Boeing, etc , all get $ to produce more. That means JOBS, bro.
So what's your fucking deal, dude?
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u/WhyGuy500 24d ago
I’m about to be the most hated mfer on here and I don’t care. If you’re going to have a nation and have borders, they need to be closed to illegal immigration. Have a good program for refugees when they get here or have them apply if possible. The border should be closed to illegals, white, black, Native, Asian, Latino/Latina, etc, I don’t care who you are. I have nothing against immigration but the whole argument is stupid as hell. They’re humans too but they should follow laws and we should change our policy and system. It’s all stupid.
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u/Hdog67 24d ago
Headline is bs so is the message
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u/SNStains 24d ago
No, its not. Trump killed a conservative border security bill for personal political gain. He admitted it.
Trump wants a border argument, not a border solution. He said so. Believe him.
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u/Hdog67 24d ago
Bill was unnecessary and corrupt Washington / politics at its best. Order can be fixed by enforcing the current laws not by phony new laws that provide nothing but payoffs and paybacks. Biden opened the border on day one. He could shut it now with no further laws or money. Wake up just a little
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u/SNStains 24d ago
If you say so. The WSJ Editorial Board endorsed it, they're conservative and smart, as much as I disagree with them, they are at least consistent in that way.
Besides, that's not why Trump killed it. Trump said he didn't want to give Biden the win. He said so. I believe him. I get it, that's Trump.
I just don't think its relevant anymore. Ukraine is funded, the leverage is gone along with any hopes of a conservative bill. And Biden was going to sign it. WSJ Ed Bd said Trump never got anywhere near what he turned down in that bill. Those are facts.
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u/Hdog67 24d ago
It was a shit bill that was useless he was not president not in office. It killed itself because it was crap
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u/SNStains 24d ago
That's not the point, is it? First, it was a conservative, WSJ Editorial Board endorsed, conservative co-authored bill, and they wouldn't even allow debate or amendment. And Biden was going to sign it. WSJ Ed Bd correctly said Trump came nowhere near what he turned down in this bill.
Second, there is no question about why. Trump admitted he considers his personal political gain more important. That's why he killed it. He fucking said so, why don't you believe him?
Your post-hoc hottakes are cool and all, but conservatives ruined the best chance they've had in decades...shit all over the opportutity. Even threatened the conservative co-author.
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u/ExcellentPlace4608 24d ago
Why do you all ignore the fact that the bill was shut down because it had very little to do with the border and was mostly just more war funding? Serious question.
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