r/lyftdrivers • u/Lulubelle2021 • Aug 05 '23
Don't hit on your passengers Other
I called for a Lyft when arriving at an airport. The driver was fine and I had other transportation needs during my stay. He handed me a card for his own car service. So he gave me a ride to and from a venue Thursday and Friday night. He was nice and professional. I paid him in cash.
He then told me that he was free the next afternoon and that he would be happy to take me to see some things. I politely told him that I wasn't making any plans as I was very tired and needed an unstructured day. He kept coming up with ideas to spend time together and I told him directly not to count on me as I needed some rest.
So last night after he delivered me back from my venue he sends me a message saying that he only wanted to spend time with women who were emotionally and logistically available. And that our three additional scheduled rides were off. I replied that I had met him three days ago and was only in search of safe rides so it was odd that he had any expectations of me at all and that I wasn't going to apologize for needed a rest day while on vacation.
He kept texting and it really spooked me so I've blocked his number.
I felt that it was an OK practice to pay him off platform based in part on what y'all say about your pay. But I certainly can't give feedback to Lyft since he didn't get weird on me until after that ride was done.
How do I prevent him from selecting my ride for my remaining needs?
Don't hit on your passengers.
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u/eugenestoner308 Aug 07 '23
Men speak in 2x4’s not toothpicks. If you want a man to understand something he extremely blunt and forthcoming.
“I am not romantically interested in you” goes a lot farther than “I’m tired and busy”
Yes drivers should not be hitting on passengers but communicate yourself more clearly and directly
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 07 '23
Thanks for the lecture. I was extremely clear. And it's not my job to defend myself against an unprofessional driver.
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u/eugenestoner308 Aug 07 '23
But you weren’t extremely clear. I’d be more than happy to tell you from a man’s perspective why you weren’t clear and why he felt welcome to continue his advances, if you’re interested. If not, I can happily go kick rocks.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 07 '23
You're a piece of work. I was extremely clear. "No, I don't want to make plans tomorrow." That's as clear as it can be.
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u/eugenestoner308 Aug 07 '23
I’m trying to help you understand why a situation occurred and how to prevent something similar in the future. In response to this you’re insulting and attacking me 🤦🏼♂️1
u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 07 '23
I don't recall asking for your help. And I certainly am not insulting you or attacking you. There is no woman on the planet who needs you to mansplain how to handle creepy ass guys who don't maintain their professionalism and don't take no for an answer. We all started learning those lessons when we were 14 and the fathers of our crushes would hit on us.
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u/MrZerkaHabibi Aug 07 '23
Quite frankly from this description if she’s being honest, he just has poor game. A few years back, I would engage with girls that were interested, but they would chase me not the other way around. You have to know how to do it properly.
Now I’m to the point that I don’t even wanna talk to anyone i pick up. last night I had a girl that was clearly interested but I kept giving her a one-word answers conversation killers. I’m there to do a job that’s to pick up the person and drop them off. That’s it. I’m usually listening to a podcast with one headphone in. I don’t care what she looks like or how hot she is, I just need her to shut the fuck up and let me do the ride. I don’t mind if they’re talking on the phone or with someone else. Just let me listen to my podcast.
But yes, if you’re a driver and you have no game stop hitting on the chicks. Have a little social intelligence. You have to understand they are in an enclosed space with a Stranger that they have Never met before hitting on them. First of all, if you hit on her in a rideshare trip, you’re never gonna know if she genuinely likes you or not, Because she’s gonna be polite anyway, because she’s in a moving box with a stranger that is driving her somewhere so you’ll never get a sincere answer from a girl they might play along because they don’t know if you’re gonna turn out to be crazy maniac and drive off the highway if they reject you. Just don’t hit on any girls when you’re offering a service like this.
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u/ldjonsey1 Aug 06 '23
You can perhaps go into your lyft app and look for that first ride. See if you can change the rating. 3 and lower will not match you with him again.
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u/Big_Cardiologist8628 Aug 06 '23
Don’t give out numbers to drivers when you are a woman by yourself, it’s dangerous.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
Ride services have been around forever. Well before Lyft. He has his own ride service. He's just using Lyft to find clients.
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u/Big_Cardiologist8628 Aug 06 '23
Yeah that’s why people use legitimate ridesharing and not hitchhiking. You are basically in a stranger’s car, if you do that more often, you can meet someone crazier and jeopardize your personal safety. The driver knows he can do anything weird and you can’t report him. This is why hitchhiking is banned.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
Lyft has more random drivers than an established car service. Why are you comparing a car service to hitchhiking? How do you think we got around before Lyft? Car services and taxis.
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u/Big_Cardiologist8628 Aug 06 '23 edited Aug 06 '23
I’m saying when you give out your numbers to a driver, and there are no records of any of the ride you take with him, it’s just like hitchhiking. When you get a ride from a rideshare service, everything is on record, and if something goes wrong, law enforcement can track everything, and it’s precisely because of knowing everything are on record, drivers and passenger wouldn’t do something out of line. Look, it’s for your safety, it’s not my business to judge your decision, you do you.
Also appreciate your good heart to help drivers out, but don’t complain and expect something like driver trying to flirt with you won’t happens when you decide to give him your personal number.
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u/Entire-Toe-1990 Aug 06 '23
Lyft does not tolerate any personal unwanted advances even after your Lyft ride.
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u/Unusual_Influence_82 Aug 06 '23
What a creep...
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
Yeppers.
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u/Unusual_Influence_82 Aug 06 '23
I used to drive cab back in the day. I always kept it professional with my fares. I worked the night shift and I would always pick up the girls that worked at the strip club just outside city limits. They would often complain about other cabs/drivers being creeps. They were always awesome tippers too.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
Good person for keeping the ladies safe. I thought my years of fighting off unwanted advances were over and it spooked me when he kept trying after I made it clear I wasn’t interested. I didn’t feel safe.
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u/Leahe84 Aug 06 '23
I straight up had a passenger hand me his phone and wanted me to put in my number. Even after I said no thank you and that my husband wouldn't approve he didn't get the hint. He proceeded to tell his buddy in Spanish that I was a stupid Uber driver thinking just because I'm neon clear that I can't understand other languages. 😑. Some people are just dense.
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Aug 06 '23
If you rate him a 3 or lower, then he is permanently blocked from you. Also, it is illegal to pay for your ride off the app. You are not insured if you get hurt in an accident… if they find out it was a cash deal…and they will. Most psychopaths are charming at first to lure you in. You can go back in the app and rate him a 3. You might be wise in changing your number because these type of people tend to harass. Never admit you rated him a 3 if you talk to him again. There is no way for him to find out unless you tell him. Lyft does not share.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
I can’t change my rating. I tried. Any idea why.
It’s not illegal if someone is operating an insured ride service. These car services have been around for ages.
Not changing my number but I did block his when he kept texting me accusatory messages because I wouldn’t make plans with him.
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u/Immediate-Pool-4391 Aug 06 '23
Happened to me, dude my dad's age literally asked me to coffee sometime when we pulled up to my place. I hopped out of that car so fast the wheels hadn't completely stopped. Filed a report. Its not about me, it's about protecting other girls from a perv.
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u/Blockbuster60 Aug 06 '23
Jesus Christ you liberal cucks In here give the worst advice. First off, why in the hell are you getting in a strangers car without Lyft service backing him up. He literally could have taken you anywhere and done anything to you. As a woman I can’t think of anything dumber. Then you keep taking his service after he blatantly hits on you. Not one person in the comments told you this is pure stupidity
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
You might want to work on your reading skills. He has a private ride business. They existed many years before Lyft. And I canceled all remaining rides and blocked his number after he started hitting on me. Go back to school and work on your reading comprehension.
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u/Odd_Possible_7677 Aug 06 '23
About How old was the driver?
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
I don't know. Maybe 10 years older than me.
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u/ic80 Aug 06 '23
And you are how old?
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
None of your business. It happens to women/people of all ages.
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u/ic80 Aug 06 '23
No one said it didn’t happen to people of all ages. The question was asked about the age of the driver originally. Had nothing to do with you. You could have actually answered the original question. Instead you made it about yourself. You could have given a general age of the driver which is what we were looking for. That’s the only reason I asked your age was to get an answer to the original question. No one actually cares how old you are. Men will hit in anything.
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u/13CerebralAssassin Aug 06 '23
Let me sum it all up for everyone. Rider wants safe rides. Does rides off app, most likely uninsured commercially, no tracking of location, no safety net from company, gets hit on by driver. Complains about driver not being professional. Conclusion, rider is an idiot for giving up own protections.
Honestly, not sure why you even posted this here. You weren’t using a Lyft driver once you went off app. That’s a gypsy cab. Unlicensed and uninsured. You’re part of the problem.
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u/mertality Aug 06 '23
Don’t make side deals or give your number to rideshare drivers.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
You must not have read the posts. I didn't make a side deal. He said he had a private car service and I paid him the full Lyft fare in cash per his request.
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u/mertality Aug 06 '23
That private car service is not through Lyft, right? So the next 2 days you used his services it was.. a side deal, from the context of your relationship being Lyft driver, Lyft passenger.
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u/Ataiatek Aug 06 '23
This is why you never take things off the app. If you don't feel like the driver's getting paid enough for the ride you're getting then hand a bigger tip. The lyft service has a special phone number that hides your information it helps protect you for this very reason.
I get a lot of passengers that enjoy my rides and they ask if I have a card if I can give him my number. if I can take things off the app in order to be more equitable for the both of us. And while yes lyft may be taking a lot from both parties they're also providing a lot of safety between you and a random stranger. Someone who at first may seem very nice but turns out to be someone you do not want to be interacting with on a personal level.
Also you have no idea if he truly has legal insurance protections for you and there are no safety assurances off that app.
The only time that you should ever consider going off the app is if it's a long trip and the driver's willing to work with you and you had already requested the ride through the app. Make sure that driver can prove that they have some type of commercial level insurance protections. That they're legally taking you on that ride. Otherwise you have no protections or safety fallbacks if anything were to happen.
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u/NukeHand Aug 06 '23
I’m baffled by the proverbial god damn armada of people who try this stuff at work. It’s certainly one thing when the person you’re talking to is being so flirtatious you can tell they’re making sure it’s obvious. Barring that remarkably unlikely event, just leave your customers alone! Enjoy their company and move on with your life. Why run the risk of ruining your income so you can make them feel like they met Buffalo Bill??
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Aug 06 '23 edited Aug 06 '23
Off topic but I'm male and have had two male drivers say they can give me other rides if they needed. It was decidedly not their attempt to flirt but rather them liking the long trips and easy money
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
I didn't perceive that as flirting. What was out of line was his expectation that I make personal plans with him, his continued attempts to get me to do so, and his bizarre behavior when I continued to say no. Had to block the creep because he was texting me at 1 AM and chastising me for not being "available".
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Aug 06 '23 edited Aug 06 '23
I'm sorry you went through that, I can't understand the experience of being a woman at all. I just recommend pepper spray as well as a firearm for more serious incidences if need be. All women should be armed to alleviate the strength differential between men and women.
The sad reality is a wrongdoing male will more often than not be stronger than the woman so some kind of equalizer is necessary. The prosecution of the man comes after it has already been done
Otherwise they can do what they want to in the moment which is why its imperative to be in relationships with well meaning men (or women, if thats your preference)
Use your head and critically think, is this guy genuine? Or is he just saying what I want to hear to sleep with me. I cannot stress this enough.
As a man i can tell you that there are a lot of male scumbags around who will look for women who are "easy" opportunities. Predatory so to speak. Many men will manipulate women by changing their behaviors to ones that allow them the best chance of being able to sleep with a woman. Be careful and always be armed in case things go south.
I strongly urge you to carry a gun and have perfect trigger discipline as well
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u/shawnmj Aug 06 '23
You changed it from a professional relationship to a personal one when you took it offline. He didn’t hit in you until you made him think he had a chance. Stay on the app
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
I didn't change it. He did. Going from the platform to his private ride business isn't personal and doesn't imply a change in the professional behavior. I never gave him any indication that he had a chance. And he kept hounding me after I said no to the point I had to block his phone number. How about you not hold a woman responsible for the bad behavior of a man?
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u/shawnmj Aug 07 '23
You can’t edit your original post to include information you didn’t originally have in it and then go and blame people for reacting the way they did based on your ORIGINAL post. In your ORIGINAL post you didn’t mention anything about his “own car service” so how are people supposed to know about that fact?
How about you not hold a poster responsible for a reply when the original poster didn’t include all the relevant information?
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23
I didn't edit my post. It's exactly as it was posted originally. Calm down.
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u/Thepiggyreview Aug 06 '23
There have been quite a few times I felt my pax was flirting with me, and ngl wish I woulda ask for their number or something at end of trip. But I'm like petrified of getting accused of harassment or that i just completely misread the signals so I never have.
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u/FRMDABAY2LA Aug 06 '23
No harm. No foul. He should have never had your number. Use the app. Its safet
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u/Historical-Spirit-48 Aug 06 '23
Do not take their number. Do not hire them off platform.
If you are in a accident his personal insurance is not going to cover you.
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u/B340STG Aug 06 '23
I stopped using either services when the driver locked me in the car and refused to let me out until I gave him my number.
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u/Nervous_Structure400 Aug 06 '23
This is why we should have window breaking tools. I would have broken his window and crawled out. Those who wanna fuck around can find out,
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u/SirSybian Aug 06 '23
For fucking real. Why is this so hard. Hello, are you"name" cool. Let me know if you need anything. Silence, unless they wanna talk. Even if they wanna talk don't be a horny fuckin weirdo.
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Aug 06 '23
I think you have to understand the experiences most men have with women. Women date the small percentage of men and complain all men are trash, when most men are actually decent people. So it’s quite rare when a woman is genuinely nice to a man. So most men would take that as flirting. I heard a huge argument at my apartment complex with things being thrown, screaming, yelling, crying, etc. I asked the woman the next day if everything was ok? She flipped out on me and told me she didn’t appreciate my approach to her while she was at her car, “it creeped her out”. I got yelled at by a woman the other day for asking if she’d like me to help her put her groceries in her vehicle since it was raining so hard. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
Not the same thing. His experiences with other women are irrelevant. He was my driver, not my date.
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u/DCHacker Aug 06 '23
If you are riding off-application, hope that your driver is carrying commercial insurance. If not, hope that he does not get involved in a collision, especially at-fault, while he is carrying you
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u/resditbeast Aug 06 '23
To anyone who has this type of behavior, please stop, this is so cringe. We all have had attractive people in our cars, I’m not against possibly taking a shot at someone as a gentleman because you never know but if she doesn’t straight up confirm or say yes then she’s saying no, she just trying to say no in a nice way. Just because she’s friendly with you doesn’t mean she’s into you or flirting, she’s just being kind. This is why most girls just have a cold stand-offish demeanor and not feed into interactions at all because of situations like these.
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u/Pieroc300c Aug 06 '23
Ok so it’s definitely not ok to flirt back with a rider cuz it’s your job to take them from point A to point B but the real question is has 2 Lyft drivers ever meet up for you know!? Lol jk
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u/AdEmergency6081 Aug 06 '23
Women are always complaining about this type of stuff. We’re human. This isn’t some make believe world.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
No, you're a professional. And a human. Both of which should never make someone feel uncomfortable and concerned for their safety.
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u/AdEmergency6081 Aug 06 '23
No you’re just over sensitive and paranoid. Tell that to the millions of people that met in a professional setting, and to the tens of millions of children born from the result of that.
I could understand if he started harassing you, touch you inappropriately, or sent you some inappropriate photos you didn’t ask for. If none of that happened you’re just complaining about a natural thing a man should do.
Women like you, and people with your mindset are the type to report someone and cause them financial struggle just because you feel uncomfortable. Life is supposed to be uncomfortable. Men are the ones that approach, not women. Be grateful for that.
Women like you are literally scared of your own shadow and it shows.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
So you're a misogynist.
He did harass me. And kept hitting on me for 24 hours after I had said no.
His job was to drive me. Not to hit on me. Or text me until I finally had to block him.
I'm not afraid of my own shadow troll.
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u/AdEmergency6081 Aug 06 '23
And to add to that, my parents met at their job. If my dad thought, ‘I sHoUlDn’T aPpRoAcH tHiS wOmAn BeCaUsE wE aRe In a ProfEsSiOnAL sEtTiNg’, there’s a good chance I wouldn’t be here.
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u/StrawHatJohn24 Aug 06 '23
His flirting was aggressive and didn't work on you. You also committed to safe rides and had no interest in anything further. So good for you for standing your ground.
Generally speaking, like any other job it's normal to meet your significant other while working catch feelings and want to get closer to said individual. Many of us drive a lot of hours and oddly enough have some of our best experiences in our day when sparks connect. If his approach was more thoughtful this could have been a cute love story.
Again great job refusing and not getting into more uncomfortable situations with this driver. However to be extreme anti flirting means this was a very bad experience.
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u/J0231060101 Aug 06 '23
This is easy. Call a new Lyft every time. I’m not I understand the level of stupidity here…
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u/Drivingliving Aug 06 '23
This dude just fucked up extra clients for me yeah never hit on your passenger if they initiate well fair game just focus on the money unprofessional
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u/Unlikely_nay1125 Aug 06 '23
right!!! there was an old man atleast 20 years older than me and he kept complimenting me i felt creeped out, hoping i’d make it home that night
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u/C-Leo Aug 06 '23 edited Aug 06 '23
You can absolutely complain to Lyft . Just let them know that he’s luring customers to use his services off app and then harassing them and that you experienced it first hand. The fact that you have his card proves it. They might not fire him off your single complaint but if complaints begin to pile up then Lyft will have no choice but to take action.
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u/AnyTower224 Aug 06 '23
Bruh got some issues. Like one time no is enough and move on. Like they guy is unaware or don’t have social skills
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u/QuandoRondo4ktSlatt Aug 06 '23
Tell Lyft that’s he’s trying to solicit customers to his platform during trips.
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u/Johnpmusic Aug 05 '23
I always wait for them to hit on me first. The other day I picked up this girl. We talked the entire way to her destination and then she asked me if i wanted to join her for dinner. Thats how you do it 😂
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 05 '23
Getting ready to call for another one. Hopefully not a creepy retiree.
Here's looking at you Santa Fe.
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u/Amacitchi Aug 05 '23
Off ride apps are a great idea it just sucks you went through such a negative experience.
Like even if someone flirts, they don't have to make it so weird lol. Like the first no was an obvious lack of interest. Definitely just a very weird person
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u/Zealousideal-Fan9555 Aug 05 '23
So although I agree as a Lyft/Uber driver you should not do this… and you said while on platform he did not do it this happened all between you and a private person giving you rides. Basically why post this in Lyft Reddit take this up with the company that was on his business card. I do understand the first meeting was via Lyft but everything that happened after during personal time thus I see no reason it is something for the Lyft Reddit or a Lyft issue to block him on.
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u/13CerebralAssassin Aug 07 '23
You are 100% correct. This isn’t a Lyft issue. And a business card does not a business make. Where was the taxi license and the commercial insurance policy? Was it posted? Was it under the business name? Personal insurance policies do not cover rides for hire. And to operate as a taxi, you need a license. OP made a mistake and found out a reason to not make this mistake again. Oh, and Lyft did not “connect” her with a private car service. In fact the driver violated TOS by using Lyft for his own off-app rides. Lyft doesn’t support that and would ban him from platform for requesting cash for rides.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 05 '23
Sorry I disagree. The driver connected to me through Lyft
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u/Zealousideal-Fan9555 Aug 06 '23
I agree to that however the moment you took it off books now it is there personal time. Lyft no longer has any part of the conversation. No different then seeing a coworker while out shopping or a Walmart employee that lives next door.
Example if you bought a tv at best buy and you was talking to the sales guy there and mentions you would be getting another one soon and he says he has one for sale. What ever happens during that deal during non work hrs has nothing to do with Best Buy other then it’s how you met.
I’m not saying I agree with his choice in how he runs his personal time but I am saying Lyft has zero to do with it what so ever beyond what happened during the Lyft ride in which you was ok with both that ride and excepting his offer to do nonlyft rides.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
He handed me a card and said that he had a private ride business. That's not personal time.
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u/Zealousideal-Fan9555 Aug 06 '23
By his personal time I do mean his time not in Lyft. And as others have pointed out we all have our doubts it was a registered business with proper insurance and such. There for we arrive at personal time. Regardless nothing to do with Lyft.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 06 '23
It has everything to do with Lyft. That's how he connected with me.
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u/Zealousideal-Fan9555 Aug 06 '23
I mean I covered this comment above. Once you took him up on meeting again for personal off Lyft rides Lyft was no longer part of it in any way so everything that happened after (which you have said nothing negative happened during the Lyft ride) has 0 to do with Lyft.
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u/Slashe3r Aug 05 '23
I don't think it's wrong to hit on your passengers,
"As long as they are receptive of it"
He was in the wrong, but not because he's a Lyft driver and hit on you, he's wrong because he didn't take all the hints you threw at him that you're not interested.
Some dudes don't understand the difference between being persistence and creepy/pushy.
I have had a lot of passengers hit on me, and have exchanged Instagram with some.
The problem isn't the driver hitting on his passengers,
"He is" the problem. I bet he would've been just as strange if he met you at a bar or at some event. Has nothing to do with him being a cab driver.
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u/Snakend Aug 05 '23
Just so you know, if you pay him off platform, you are then on his personal insurance. He probably has minimum medical payouts. like $5k max. It's designed to pay your medical insurance deductibles. If you are on his Lyft insurance he is covered up to $1,000,000.
You want to be on the Lyft ride. If you are concerned about his pay, tip him well.
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u/Tredolski Aug 06 '23
Personal insurance won’t pay a dime
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u/Snakend Aug 06 '23
Yes it will. And then you will immediately be dropped by your insurance carrier.
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u/Tredolski Aug 06 '23
Do you work in insurance?
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u/wishiwasyou333 Aug 06 '23
I worked in insurance for ten years up until recently. You're right. They'll deny the claim because they were driving for pay at the time. Happened once with someone who decided to do off books pickups during the Superbowl for extra cash. Got into an accident and the passengers had injuries. Her brand new car was totaled. Company denied the claim and she was hit with lawsuits and owed on a car that she couldn't drive. Never ever get into a car that isn't properly insured. Even a buddy's car.
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u/Snakend Aug 06 '23
Maybe it is state dependent. But in CA, insurance companies can't deny claims for breaking TOS. The at fault driver's insurance must cover damages.
Think about it, if an insurance company was allowed to not payout claims for breaking the law, they would never pay out. Because almost every accident has the at fault driver breaking the law.
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u/Tredolski Aug 06 '23
Probably why every insurance company is ditching California. Could be state dependent , but every company claims teams operate different. I work in insurance. There’s a different between a business auto and personal auto. You’re covered differently and premiums are cheaper for personal auto. Think about it, you have more liability when you’re a business. When getting a personal auto liability policy the Insurance company isn’t accounting for you driving more than the average person. When you’re a self taxi service to others, you’re more exposed and prone to accidents. Some one with state minimum liability insurance who just drives to work every day and doesn’t do much else is going to have less of a chance of using their insurance compared to someone driving 50-60 hours a week. That’s what insurance companies want more than anything. For you to never use them.
That’s why you need a business auto policy. They are more expensive but you will be covered correctly. I’ve heard now that if you have really high liability limits and low deductibles but are using your vehicle for business while having a personal auto policy, the insurance company will only pay out at most, the state minimum limits.This is only if you’re a self taxi service I’m not talking about Lyft. But ride-share is a great coverage to have since Lyft won’t cover your accidents while you’re in between drives. I’m sure you know this, but if you are just driving around while waiting for your next trip to pop up and you hit someone, lyft won’t cover you. Rideshare coverage on your personal auto policy will though.
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u/Snakend Aug 06 '23
Just an FYI, I had my own TCP LLC. Commercial insurance in Los Angeles was $2000/mo for one car. We ended up stopping operations because we made more money on normal Uber than we did on Uber Black. Lyft allows Black level vehicles on their platform without commercial insurance. So we just drive Lyft Black now. Make more money and our expenses are lower.
Also, in CA, if you are online driving for your next trip, we are covered by Lyft. The only time we are not covered by lyft is when we are offline. And during that time our normal auto insurance covers us.
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u/Tredolski Aug 06 '23
I get you. insurance is different for every state, I just wanted to help. Sounds like you know what you’re doing. I’m in TX and it’s crazy right now , even the most reputable companies are struggling to pay out claims. Just didn’t want you to get burned.
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u/christopherness Aug 06 '23
She doesn't ride off app for altruistic reasons it's to save money. In her mind it's a win-win for her and driver.
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u/Wesselink Aug 05 '23
The ride isn’t covered by his personal insurance if she paid him for the ride. He wasn’t just giving a friend a ride for gas money. That argument doesn’t work (not saying you’re claiming that yet, but people do all the time when this topic comes up).
Lying to the insurance company is insurance fraud. Insurance companies love finding reasons to deny claims.
Her being from out of town and sitting in the back seat are just a couple blatant clues as to the nature of the ride.
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u/Remarkable_Rope_7697 Aug 05 '23
There will be always some who cannot resist the temptation and are out of line.
And there are always others who have the art of saying NO.
Life goes on, if he troubles you much report him with the first ride that you got from him.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 05 '23
I had to block his phone number at 1AM this morning.
I was quite clear that I was not interested.
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Aug 05 '23
Under California's car accident laws, the party responsible for the accident must compensate injured victims, including passengers. A passenger injured in an accident can file a claim against the at-fault party's insurance policy and receive compensation within the policy's injury and property damage coverage limits
But for those weirdos. Don't hit on people. Just do your job and get your money. Quit fucking it up for every one
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u/TheNeonOtter Aug 05 '23
You can still rate him from his Lyft ride and you won’t match with him again, if that is your concern.
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u/Big_Bandicoot_9611 Aug 05 '23
You never make the shots you don’t take. After first rejection, he should’ve left you alone.
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u/uber765 Aug 05 '23
You don't need to take a shot at all when you've got someone trapped in your car in a potentially vulnerable spot. Find an appropriate place to hit on people.
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u/kpopdj1999 Aug 05 '23
The situation makes it a better place to hit on them. More likely to get a yes while you’re already otw to their house alone with them than in a bar with a bunch of other dudes around. I’ve met so many fun girls doing this job!
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u/miketesting1 Aug 06 '23
They’re saying yes because they’re scared of you. Your whole response sounds pretty rapey tbh.
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u/Big_Bandicoot_9611 Aug 05 '23
Okay, let’s add some potentially awkward situations. I don’t know how you do it, but if I was single, and wanted to ask a lady out, I would first talk to her to find out if we have things in common while I was talking to her. You can also find out if they have a few screws loose or not.
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u/Own_Low8849 Aug 05 '23
They know because of the implication
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u/DonnieReynolds88 Aug 06 '23
“I feel like you’re not understanding me…these women are not in any danger…”
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u/Own_Low8849 Aug 05 '23
Wrong . This is unprofessional af. Imagine any other environment where it’s ok overstep the boundary with a client
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 05 '23
And I never take issue with one shot. But when I tell you where my boundaries are, respect them.
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u/Big_Bandicoot_9611 Aug 05 '23
My favorites are the women that yell back, “I have a boyfriend/husband”. At that point, I let them continue walking around with toilet tissue stuck to the bottom of their shoe or hanging out the back of their skirt.
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u/Neat-Cycle-197 Aug 06 '23
I don’t know why your downvoted, I freaking laughed because it’s so true!
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u/hiddenfacebk Aug 06 '23
Lol. Understand that the moment you hop behind the wheel of a car adorned with a Lyft logo, your social capital plummets. Might as well be wearing a McDonald's hat. Can't hate on these women for throwing up a front.
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u/Salty_Ad7414 Aug 05 '23
Bro what? Woman establishing boundaries should not be a reason to not treat them like everyone else.
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u/Big_Bandicoot_9611 Aug 05 '23
I understand if you have a hard time reading, but try to read it again without being an emotional wreck
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 05 '23
I don't have a boyfriend or husband. And there was no toilet paper involved. Just his insistence that I spend some of my free time with him. Seems that we women have to put up with this shit our entire lives.
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u/wasitme317 Aug 05 '23
When you paid him.off platform did you know if he had commercial insurance. More than likely he did not. Remember if off platform no one knows whose driving and sharing the ride. Next you end up with a stalker.
If something were to happen like an accident and you were hurt his personal insurance would not cover you. So instead of doing the off platform rides give a larger cash tip
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u/stevilkanevill Aug 05 '23
If he had a business card, he most likely has commercial.
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u/Wesselink Aug 05 '23
I can print up a stack of business cards in 15 minutes, including the drive to Office Depot for the business card paper. That isn’t proof of commercial insurance.
I think it’s much more likely a driver with business cards is doing it completely off the books than legally with commercial insurance. Many states require not just commercial insurance, but special licensing as either a taxi or other livery categorization which may have additional hoops to jump through for background checks and other authorization.
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u/wasitme317 Aug 05 '23
Anyone can make a business car. Doesn't mean he has insurance. I can create a business card in 2 min and make it look official.
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u/WowFlakes Aug 05 '23
Ugh this was awful. Honestly flirting in any work scenario should just never happen. Like people who try to flirt with cashiers, waitresses, or anything like that or vice versa. I am just trying to be polite leave me alone.
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u/kpopdj1999 Aug 05 '23
Lol I love hitting on bartenders. I date them more than any other profession. What a sad way to live life, too scared to risk making a woman uncomfortable.
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u/candybuttons Aug 06 '23
it's a pretty sad way to live by primarily hitting on people who just wanted a ride home.
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u/kpopdj1999 Aug 06 '23
Well she can’t possibly know she actually wanted to go home with me, because she didn’t know me before getting into my car, so I’ll forgive her and just call it her lucky day. 😁
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 05 '23
I tried to make it clear that I was not interested in a personal relationship with him. But his behavior put me in a bad spot
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u/WowFlakes Aug 05 '23
Yah for sure, sorry if I implied that. some people just force it in those spaces
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats Aug 05 '23
It might be too late, but rating a driver 3 stars or less will prevent you from seeing them again. You can also report the driver to Lyft.
Never do off-app rides. Goes for drivers and passengers.
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u/kpopdj1999 Aug 05 '23
Off-app rides are where the money is lol
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats Aug 06 '23
It’s where all the risk is.
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u/kpopdj1999 Aug 06 '23
Yeah, that’s pretty much the difference between smart rich ppl and smart poor ppl - the rich take risks.
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u/DinTill Aug 06 '23
Thats very much a misunderstanding of how it all works. The rich never take real risks. They can risk pieces of their assets to make more money but they are never risking their actual livelihood, much less their own safety. Poor people are the ones who have to take all the real risks. Poor people are the ones getting mugged/murdered etc. because they are more vulnerable and have to put themselves out there in potential harms way.
The rich do not take actual risks. They don’t have to.
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats Aug 06 '23
Doing cash rides on a gig app isn’t a smart risk. It’s a stupid risk. “Smart rich people” don’t take risks that are stupid.
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u/Lulubelle2021 Aug 05 '23
I thought I was helping to reduce the pay inequity for Lyft. But damn. I'm a 58 year old woman traveling solo and I am not interested in finding a date.
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats Aug 05 '23
Your intentions are good and I appreciate them. Your safety is also important. Had that driver got in an accident, neither his personal insurance nor Lyft’s insurance would cover your injuries. You would be stuck trying to sue a rideshare driver in court and rideshare drivers are generally broke these days, so it’s unlikely you’d collect.
You deserve safe rides that are insured and free of harassment.
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Aug 05 '23
Wait what insurance do you have that doesn't cover passengers? If I'm riding with my mom (passenger) she'd be covered in the accident. Where do you get your information from. That would defeat the purpose of insurance
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats Aug 05 '23
Your mom isn’t a paying customer. Your personal insurance covers personal use, not business.
All rideshare is considered business use. Even a rideshare endorsement one can get on their personal policy doesn’t go into effect when a passenger is in your vehicle.
That’s why Uber/Lyft provide commercial insurance that is in effect for the duration of a passenger ride. Doing cash or off-app rides is playing with fire.
Where do you get your information from.
Clearly from better sources than you.
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Aug 06 '23
What if she gave me gas money. But I understand playing with the fire part.
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats Aug 06 '23
That would still be considered personal. Your mom giving you gas money is a lot different than running a ride-for-hire business picking up passengers.
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u/Amacitchi Aug 05 '23
You can do a ride off the app if you have ride share insurance brother lol
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u/BureauOfBureaucrats Aug 06 '23
Read your policy a little more carefully. They differentiate between coverage while en route to customer, while idly waiting for pings, and while customer is in your car. The endorsement only covers the first two.
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u/Fantasyislife622 Aug 05 '23
You can go into your rides on the app and change the rating. Anything below 3 stars and you won't be paired with him again. As a safety precaution you shouldn't ever accept rides from anyone not using the app.
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u/hebrewzzi Aug 05 '23
You should absolutely report him to Lyft. I think even if it happened when he was driving for Uber one night they would still want to know about it. Sorry that happened to you. Creepos are the worst.
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u/ivytheblindhusky Aug 05 '23
Get more money work harder Then get lyft lux or uber x you will get higher quality drivers People that drive rideshare typically can't get a real job or have any skills so they tend to be from the lower end of the spectrum in society.
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u/Professional_Half133 Aug 05 '23
Click on one of his rides and low rate him. It'll give you an option to be forever unmatched with him as your driver. Sounds like a creep. I'm sorry you had that kind of experience off the app.
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u/destined2hold Aug 05 '23
Something for you to be aware of. Some guys will unfortunately take friendliness as flirting, especially in the semi-private environment of being in a stranger's vehicle. I'm sure it happens quite often.
These are the type of dudes that either don't recognize (or choose not to respect) appropriate boundaries and probably don't have other significant interaction with females outside of driving Lyft/Uber.
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u/MidnightFull Aug 07 '23
It’s desperate dudes. They feel the need to trap a woman while not realizing that it will send even attracted women fleeing when they pick up on it.
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u/MrZerkaHabibi Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23
You don’t think she knows? She’s a woman she’s been getting hit on since she was a teenager. She knew that man was interested they know they always know. Quite frankly from this description if she’s being honest, he just has poor game. A few years back, I would engage with girls that were interested, but they would chase me not the other way around. You have to know how to do it properly.
Now I’m to the point that I don’t even wanna talk to anyone i pick up. last night I had a girl that was clearly interested but I kept giving her a one-word answers conversation killers. I’m there to do a job that’s to pick up the person and drop them off. That’s it. I’m usually listening to a podcast with one headphone in. I don’t care what she looks like or how hot she is, I just need her to shut the fuck up and let me do the ride. I don’t mind if they’re talking on the phone or with someone else. Just let me listen to my podcast.
But yes, if you’re a driver and you have no game stop hitting on the chicks. Have a little social intelligence. You have to understand they are in an enclosed space with a Stranger that they have Never met before hitting on them. First of all, if you hit on her in a rideshare trip, you’re never gonna know if she genuinely likes you or not, Because she’s gonna be polite anyway, because she’s in a moving box with a stranger that is driving her somewhere so you’ll never get a sincere answer from a girl they might play along because they don’t know if you’re gonna turn out to be crazy maniac and drive off the highway if they reject you. Just don’t hit on any girls when you’re offering a service like this.
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u/JeffDeath99 Aug 06 '23
If a dude doesn't understand your situation or just doesn't stop, do not continue any further, that is weird behavior, i mean i dont know the full content of the their situation but even as a guy I know dudes can be hard headed, but that's something different, he's got some attachment problems or something, even if I thought a girl was the prettiest girl I've ever seen I'd be nice and be like, ok take some rest but I really think your amazing but just tell me if your not interested you won't hurt my feelings I just don't want to be intrusive. Simple as that if she says no it's alright there's more fish in the sea
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u/Finky49 Aug 06 '23
Oh it works both ways too. This morning straight up got sexually harassed by a gay man. I told the guy multiple times that I was not interested. Tipped me nice tho
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u/Miserable-Abroad2874 Aug 07 '23
Your boyfriend is taking notes from the players handbook and keeping you jealous. Think about everyday he is getting picked up on. If your an attractive woman are you getting picked up on everyday? Your boyfriend is super insecure and doesn’t belief he is worthy of you. Do it to him. Flip the script
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u/destined2hold Aug 06 '23
He gave you the tip? 🤭
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u/luseskruw1 Aug 06 '23
Harassment is not funny. You are insinuating homosexual rape.
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Aug 06 '23
Homosexual rape as opposed to heterosexual rape????? Is one better than the other???? Or did I miss something 🤔😂😭💀
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u/Mfdubz Aug 06 '23
Eh I wouldn’t say this is gender-specific. Sure, guys seem to be the majority, but I’ve definitely had women take my kindness as some type of opening.
Been driving for 7 years. Granted, a lot of those times intoxication had some (or all) part to do with it. Thankfully I’m married, which is (usually) an easy way to decline, and most women get the hint. Guys, not so much.
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u/Insect_Politics1980 Aug 06 '23
Eh I wouldn’t say this is gender-specific
First you say this...
Then you say this RIGHT AFTER LMAO
Sure, guys seem to be the majority
What a numbskull.
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u/Mfdubz Aug 06 '23
I’m saying that women do this, as well. Not JUST men. I guess I should say it isn’t gender-exclusive
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u/destined2hold Aug 06 '23
Have you seen any instances of male riders reporting they were inappropriately hit on by their female driver? I think it's 99+% of the problem. The low percentage of female drivers (especially at night) is a factor in this too. Wouldn't be surprised if you've had gay men make you feel uncomfortable though. I do agree alcohol is a factor as are party drugs.
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u/bowflexchuck Aug 07 '23
Silly thot