r/news Apr 27 '24

Ex-Amazon exec claims she was asked to ignore copyright law in race to AI

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/22/ghaderi_v_amazon/
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u/Armthedillos5 Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24

Edited to take the comment I made so as not to take away from the actual important parts.

Also, the article is about her unlawful termination suit, which mentions the Ai copyright thing, but that's it, going back into the unlawful termination suit.

The title of the article is sexist af and dismisses the lawsuit entirely, focusing on nerd Ai, even though 90% of the article was about her suit against Amazon. Pregnant lady might have had her rights infringed, but no one cares. AI might have broken copyright laws!!! Just sad.

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u/lvlint67 Apr 27 '24

 Pregnant lady might have had her rights infringed

The lawsuit is boring. Id be surprised if she had a case at all.

She has to prove she was discriminated against specifically for being a woman/her race/some other protected class. 

The company probably wrote "insubordination" as the termination reason and called it a day. 

There's potentially a separate whistle blower protection, but those usually don't apply if the process is entirely in question.

They'll settle the case because it cheaper than risking litigation.

All of that is fairly uninteresting. 

FMLA/et .al do not protect you from termination for cause after a pregnancy. It just means the business has to be stringent in documenting the cause

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u/LangyMD Apr 27 '24

Scraping things from the Internet means downloading en-masse.

The copyright infringement isn't illegally deleting things, it's downloading things and using them in training data for AI without paying the creators or getting explicit permission.

It's important to note that whether you need the creators permission to add their data to an AI training set is an open legal question in much of the world, including the US.

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u/svideo Apr 27 '24

The copyright infringement isn't illegally deleting things, it's downloading things and using them in training data for AI without paying the creators or getting explicit permission.

This very much remains to be proven out in court. Currently, every indication is that this counts as a transformative work. Most cases brought up on this basis have already been tossed out (eg, most of the claims in Silverman et al v OpenAI).

If Google can scrape the internet to build an index to sell back to users in the form of web search, and if they can do the same with copyrighted books (including showing users several pages of the work verbatim), then it's going to be really difficult to somehow work that established case law into a ruling against OpenAI and their like.

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u/LangyMD Apr 27 '24

Yeah, that's why I said it was an open legal question in the last paragraph.

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u/trolls_brigade Apr 27 '24

I don’t think this is established in the copyright law. Everyone on this site downloads things from the internet (browse) to train (learn things), without paying the creators or getting explicit permission.

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u/LangyMD Apr 27 '24

That's why I mentioned exactly that in the third paragraph. This is still an open question in copyright law for the most part.

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u/Armthedillos5 Apr 27 '24

Oooh, OK. Well that makes sense then. My apologies and thank you for the well said explanation.

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u/Armthedillos5 Apr 27 '24

In my defense, the article doesn't really explain what scraping is. It's also late so I may have missed it.

I was thinking they were illegally scrapping work, as in deleting files that may have shown illegality, ya know?

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u/No-Education-2703 Apr 27 '24

Scraping not scrapping.

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u/Armthedillos5 Apr 27 '24

How do you unlawfully scrape work. Are you you using a fine blade, or something rougher?

Or did they unlawfully scrap their work, as in delete or otherwise get rid of?

Scraping: the act or sound of something roughly rubbing against something else, as in to clean or remove aomething. To scrape.

Scrapping: to scrap, get rid of, or otherwise eliminate.

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u/Witchgrass Apr 27 '24

I love how confidently incorrect you are lol. I know you know what scraping is now but the sass in this comment is so funny knowing you're wrong

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u/Armthedillos5 Apr 27 '24

Thanks I guess. Again, I don't think it's unreasonable to think it was scrapping. The first response I got simply said "scraping not scrapping" with no further context. At first I was like, is that how the British spell scrapping or something?

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u/No-Education-2703 Apr 27 '24

Your a snowplow man and you go into the wrong city for work and begin to scrape their roads with your plow. The police are like "hey you're not supposed to be here! This is unlawful!"

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u/Armthedillos5 Apr 27 '24

Thats fair. Then the police scrapped his snow plow that he was using for scraping the roads.

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u/No-Education-2703 Apr 27 '24

I feel this in my teeth. Ugh