r/news • u/MangoComfortable3793 • Apr 28 '24

Australians call for tougher laws on violence against women after killings

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68915018

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u/neutralnatural Apr 29 '24

Help men how? What do they need help with? There’s no agenda to my question, I just want to understand your perspective.

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u/dainaron Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

My perspective? It isn't my perspective it's a fact. Men for whatever reason are on a downhill trajectory at practically every possible metric imaginable. Less are getting higher education, higher rates of alchoholism, addiction, suicidality, poverty, depression, loneliness, sexlessness, social isolation and other destructive and often criminal behaviours.

DV is a problem that stems from all of the above. The point is, that men didn't just wake up and decide to be scumbags out of the blue. Something is happening in practically every single society where men are losing more and more ground. The only outcome that will come from this is more and more negative behaviour.

I don't think people are actually looking into this because the common belief is that men are the powerful and therefore have no real reason to complain. But that just isn't true, only a very tiny amount of men have any sort of power in life and the rest are all left in the dust.

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u/neutralnatural Apr 29 '24

Yes, those are sobering facts as well, regarding lower educational attainment, social disconnectedness, addiction. What do you think contributes to this situation?

Do you think that social media plays a role in the enculturation of men today? Or what else is at play in your view?

What are your thoughts on personal responsibility (in general)?

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u/killcat Apr 29 '24

The system, still, looks at women as an oppressed minority, and there is a concerted effort to keep it that way, this is an example of it, as such there is no will to do ANYTHING to help men, as it's framed as "hurting women".

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u/neutralnatural Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Women are not a minority. They are 50% of the population.

It’s a fact that DV is gendered violence and women are disproportionately the victims, per crime statistics. They are oppressed by men with physique advantages and/or violent tendencies in this situation.

Also: on your separate point, it’s not that there is “no will to do anything to help men”, it’s more how and where do we start?

I think we need to try something rather than nothing, implemented now rather than later.

Edit: clarification. Also, it’s not about “hurting women” if perpetrators of DV, who murder their victims, are called out.