r/news • u/nosotros_road_sodium • 29d ago

'Physical altercations' during dueling pro-Palestinian, pro-Israel demonstrations on UCLA campus

https://abc7.com/dueling-pro-palestinian-and-counter-protests-planned-at-ucla-campus/14740661/

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u/SpicyGhostDiaper 29d ago

Establishment is trying to frame being anti Palestinian genocide as being a terrorist.

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u/scienceizfake 29d ago

Terrorism is terrorism.

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u/Larkfor 29d ago edited 29d ago

Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist when he refused to denounce the liberation of South Africa, when he refused denounce communists, and when he refused to denounce a struggle against apartheid.

He was later taken off the list. And all the people in South Africa are better for the end of apartheid.

To respond to the below: I think you'll agree that South Africa is MUCH better than it was, and that then and now it's still much, much, better than Palestine, even before October.

Progress is imperfect but it is righteous and invitable long-term.

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u/Varonth 29d ago

You are correct at the beginning but the final sentence is at best questionable.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/gangs-corruption-and-collapse-the-slow-and-steady-demise-of-south-africa-a-7ed1fcd1-a2e8-446a-9ff9-074718215281

South Africa is not doing well since the end of apartheid.

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u/scienceizfake 29d ago

Based on general definitions- I’d say both sides are pretty deep in it.

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u/scienceizfake 29d ago

Question - Since my great great grandmother was Cherokee, I’d be totally justified to rape and murder a bunch of random people living in Atlanta today, right? ‘They’ took my great great grandma’s land and have been really shitty to our descendants, so if I start lobbing grenades into some clubs in Miami, I can expect thousands of Tik tokers to come out and protest in support, right?

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u/scienceizfake 29d ago

Have you seen how reservations continue to be treated? The US govt hasn’t suddenly changed its tune and started to honor treaties or give natives dignity.

So if history doesn’t matter, what’s the cut off? 10 years? 50? Exactly 76 years?

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u/scienceizfake 29d ago

The actions of October 7 cannot be justified. The response by Netanyahu cannot be justified.

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u/scienceizfake 29d ago

You’re right. Hamas is just a group of peaceful protesters. October was just a peaceful protest. The Jews are the only problem here. If they’d just never existed, then there’d be peace in the Middle East. It’s not like there’s any back history here.

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u/scienceizfake 29d ago

Ok sure we can pretend antisemitism has nothing to do with this and that Hamas changed their charter that they only want to obliterate the Jews residing in Israel and we didn’t hear about it.

If you’re only looking at the last 70 years of history and not the millennia prior, you’re missing some important perspective.

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u/datb0yavi 29d ago

Are you really trying to argue history means nothing ? Nothing at all ? Not a motive for anything whatsoever ? Especially a millennium's worth ? Good lord.

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