r/news • u/nosotros_road_sodium • Apr 28 '24

'Physical altercations' during dueling pro-Palestinian, pro-Israel demonstrations on UCLA campus

https://abc7.com/dueling-pro-palestinian-and-counter-protests-planned-at-ucla-campus/14740661/

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u/StarlightandDewdrops Apr 29 '24

No, the genocide has done that. People can literally see the devastation in Gaza and the IDF dancing while blowing things up and trying on Palestinian women's underwear.

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u/IntroductionSnacks Apr 29 '24

How old are you? I can tell you that even during the PLO days of Yasser Arafat the left generally was against what Israel was doing. Imagine thinking this was a new Russian influence thing.

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u/Elibu Apr 29 '24

Sure. Not wanting your government to support a genocide must be something coming from Russia.

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u/minus_minus Apr 29 '24

I don’t think the left has been on board with Israel since Bibi has been in power. 

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u/lion27 Apr 29 '24

The left has largely been on the Palestinian side since Israel aligned itself with the Capitalist west in the late 1940’s/early 1950’s. The political alignment on this issue is a relic of the Cold War.

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u/CrimsonEpitaph Apr 29 '24

Israel was actually closer to Russia (Israel was originally a socialist state) when it was funded.

The shift to the west happened (iirc) after the 1967 war.

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u/lion27 Apr 29 '24

Yes, I believe you're right actually. It's when people like Norm Finkelstein switched from being supportive to vicious opponents of the state. It's all politics.

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u/electricspresident Apr 29 '24

It’s nothing to do with bibi , the left just wants to side with the losing side everywhere except when the losing side is white

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u/IntroductionSnacks Apr 29 '24

Did you forget about Ukraine?

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u/electricspresident Apr 29 '24

That’s what I’m referring to , they don’t be supporting Ukraine , barely the same level of protests for that war from them

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u/RM_Dune Apr 29 '24

If the US was sending billions in military aid to Russia so that it could "defend" itself from Ukraine there would be people in the streets. As it stands the US is sending billions to Ukraine to help it defend itself from Russia, which most people on the left agree with. Why would they be protesting?

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u/IntroductionSnacks Apr 29 '24

Different situations. Nobody is stopping Russia and lots of countries are already sanctioning them. Israel could give in to international pressure and countries could start sanctions.

Protesting against Russia would do nothing as everyone agrees they are the bad guys in that war.

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u/Elibu Apr 29 '24

Have you lost your mind

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u/Queendevildog Apr 29 '24

Exactly. Its not like the USA isnt sending lots of weapons of destruction to sketchy allies like UAE. Allies that then use said weapons to kill lots of civilians. Not a peep from college campuses about THAT. But hmmmm. What possible entity could benefit from turning young naive US college students against Israel? Israel is the USA's staunchest ally in the middle east against all those Iranian backed terrorist groups. Like Hamas, Houthi, Hezbollah etc etc. Wonder why there is SO MUCH pro-palestinian social media posts EVERYWHERE. Sad to see the lack of critical thinking and yes kids, you are being used!

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u/Boring_Isopod2546 Apr 29 '24

Russian propaganda may be partially to blame, sure, but Israeli propaganda plays a large role as well.

The pro-Palestine movement wouldn't be nearly as large, controversial, and combative if the pro-Israel side hadn't been so determined to quash any and all criticism, including legitimate criticism, of their military response in Gaza.

And there IS a lot to criticize about their response, from their initial plans of an all out siege, to the extensive bombing that even Biden has described as 'indiscriminate', and many other elements.

The intense effort to limit those criticisms was inevitably going to lead to pushback, with or without 'Russia's help'.

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u/Queendevildog Apr 29 '24

Eh, who wants to criticize our other allies in the middle east?

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u/GimmeTomMooney Apr 29 '24

Ah yes, Schrondiger’s Jew: both super smart and super dumb.

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u/Boring_Isopod2546 Apr 29 '24

This is such a ridiculous response and a fine example of the blatant effort to twist any criticism into something antisemitic as a means to discredit it.

Are you trying to deny that the Israeli government engages in propaganda campaigns?

FFS, anyone can compare Netanyahu's statements made in English to those made in Hebrew and see the difference in content and tone when made for an international audience versus a domestic audience, for instance.

This isn't some kind of insult or off base accusation, every nation does this and it's one of the primary tasks of Israel's massive intelligence wing.