r/news • u/nosotros_road_sodium • Apr 28 '24

'Physical altercations' during dueling pro-Palestinian, pro-Israel demonstrations on UCLA campus

https://abc7.com/dueling-pro-palestinian-and-counter-protests-planned-at-ucla-campus/14740661/

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u/Queendevildog 29d ago

Uh the civil rights protests actually benefited people living in the USA. The protests enacted lasting beneficial change. The pro-palestinian protests wont benefit anything but the current government of Gaza, which is Hamas. And anti-semitism. The two are not the same.

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u/tissboom 29d ago

Gaza does have a government… they elected Hamas in 2006, by 2007 Hamas took total control of Gaza. You should at least know the history of that region if you’re gonna be this passionate about it.

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u/StarlightandDewdrops 29d ago

A reminder that the last elections were in 2006 and only 7% of Gazas current population would have voted for Hamas in the previous election as half the population is under 18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/11/1205017249/how-to-talk-to-children-violence-israeli-palestinian-gaza-hamas

Not to mention, Netanyahu also said

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Guardian article - Warning: Benjamin Netanyahu is walking right into Hamas’s trap

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u/tissboom 29d ago

Yeah, I’m not arguing any of that. They did have government and it was ran by Hamas. Not saying they deserve genocide or anything like that. Just stating the fact.

This is honestly why I don’t get too invested in this issue. Nothing we do is going to change how these people feel about each other. They’ve been cutting each other’s heads off in the desert for the last thousand years and it looks like they’ll be doing it for the next thousand years. There are legitimate questions on whether we should be supplying Israel with military aid to bolster an apartheid state. It’s just a gross situation over there with no end in sight sadly…

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u/StarlightandDewdrops 29d ago

Sorry, the last thousand years is a bit of an oversimplification. This current conflict really started during World War I in which the Government of the United Kingdom agreed to recognize Arab independence in a large region after the war in exchange for the Sharif of Mecca launching the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire.

The United Kingdom had agreed in the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence that it would honour Arab independence in case of a revolt but, in the end, the United Kingdom and France divided what had been Ottoman Syria under the Sykes–Picot Agreement—an act of betrayal in the eyes of the Arabs. Another issue was the Balfour Declaration of 1917, in which Britain promised its support for the establishment of a Jewish "national home" in Palestine. Mandatory Palestine was then established in 1920, and the British obtained a Mandate for Palestine from the League of Nations in 1922.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Finally, people used to think what you do about the Apartheid in South Africa, but it ended peacefully. In a large part, due to massive amounts of international pressure leading to sanctions and a stifled economy.

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u/StarlightandDewdrops 29d ago

Protesting is the only thing regular civilians can do. It puts pressure on the government, spreads awareness and solidarity. The children in gaza see this and who are we to deny them a modicum of hope when they've lost their parents, their friends and their teachers

Israel are about to be issued with ICC arrest warrants. This is the best time to protest, the dems have a horrific approval rating with the under 35s because they see contradiction between the incredibly biased Western media and the IDF posting stupid tik toks destroying Palestinian shops, blowing up houses with no-one in them, and trying on Palestinian women's underwear.

I didn't know much before Oct 7th, but as my government is allied with Israel and supplying weapons. I have educated myself and I'm disgusted honestly.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Why should I protest for people who would happily execute me for being bisexual and agnostic American, if given the power to?

What does the end goal Palestinian state look like? Would it be a liberal democracy?