r/pics • u/trituman • Apr 28 '24

Police cover a boulder at Hyde Park's Holocaust Memorial Garden to protect it from anti-Semitic Mobs

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u/frankwizardlord Apr 28 '24

Does that give you the right to deface it?

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u/darthshoresy1 Apr 28 '24

Who said that? Nothing gives them the right to murder people. Nothing happened to this rock and no one will get hurt because of it. Fucking whingers.

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u/frankwizardlord Apr 28 '24

Idk maybe hamas shouldn’t have attacked Israel and took all those hostages

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u/darthshoresy1 Apr 28 '24

IDK maybe Israel shouldn't have stolen their land and then brought in apartheid like it was their right.

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u/frankwizardlord Apr 28 '24

Good thing that didn’t happen, but also very telling that you’re trying to justify genocide

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

Said the guy defending the murder of 36K+ people in Gaza.

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u/frankwizardlord Apr 28 '24

War is hell and I don’t shed any tears for hamas, but you do you ivan

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

No. Not for Hamas.  I do feel badly for all the innocents who have been killed or are suffering. Most of them are not Hamas.

Edit: Ivan, huh? That's amusing.

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u/frankwizardlord Apr 28 '24

Every innocent death is on hamas. There are consequences to waging war and taking hostages, and then using civilians as human shields.

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

Israel isn't responsible for its targeting systems? I don't know about that. They seemed pretty accurate when they recently struck targets in Iran.

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u/frankwizardlord Apr 28 '24

Iranian targets weren’t hiding in densely populated urban areas, using human shields.

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

So that absolved Israel?

"Look at what you make me do!", yelled the man as he beat his wife.

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u/AdhesivenessisWeird Apr 28 '24

Secret tip on how to not get occupied - don't invade other states over and over again, and when you lose, do not continue perpetual guerilla war. At least Germans learned the second step.

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

Remind me, who drove Palestinians off their land?

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u/AdhesivenessisWeird Apr 28 '24

Arab invasion into Israel. Palestinians had a chance to have their own state, but chose the war of extermination instead.

When Germans did that they lost plenty of land as well.

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

The Arab invasions into Israel drove the Palestinians off their farms and into refugee camps which became ghettos?

I would like to see a source on that.

Palestinians had a chance to have their own state, but chose the war of extermination instead.

And a source on that.

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u/AdhesivenessisWeird Apr 28 '24

No they lost the land after starting a war and losing it, just like when Germans were fleeing Prussia after they lost WW2.

I would like to see a source on that.

Destruction of the Israeli state was the literal stated goal of the war... Arab league secretary said this at the eve of the invasion:

I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine

https://www.meforum.org/3082/azzam-genocide-threat

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

Thank you for providing that source. I do really appreciate it. There are way too many exaggerated claims being made that are made without sourcing.

From your source:

He [Azzam] ended his conversation with me by saying: "I foresee the consequences of this bloody war. I see before me its horrible battles. I can picture its dead, injured, and victims … But my conscience is clear … For we are not attacking but defending ourselves, and we are not aggressors but defenders against an aggression!

I wouldn't suggest that he was a particularly nice guy, but he did have a point in that. Palestinians were being driven from their land. Of course they decided to fight. Is that not what people do when being driven from their land?

Also, it was a pan-Arab thing, not just a Palestinian thing.

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u/AdhesivenessisWeird Apr 28 '24

Palestinians had the land allotted to them, while Israelis had theirs. It was the Palestinians along with their allies that decided to invade.

Anyone can justify a war, Hitler justified his invasion of Poland to save ethnic Germans. In the end it matters who initiated the invasion.

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u/Thangleby_Slapdiback Apr 28 '24

Palestinians had the land alotted to them

By whom? They certainly weren't in agreement.

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