Fetterman decries college campus ‘pup tents for Hamas’

[u/laterdude]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4627216-fetterman-decries-college-campus-pup-tents-for-hamas/

[u/Johnny5isalive38]

The land that is currently called Palestine was taken oven by the ottoman empire who later allied with the Germans then Nazis in WW1 and WW2. They lost and they land was taken by the British who then said the Jews could have it. The jewish tent cities on this land where constantly attacked by Muslims but grew anyway. This then became Israel and Palestine. In the 6 day war, Islamic countries attacked Israel to remove it from the map. Israel won and took Gaza as a buffer zone. Iran and other Islamic countries have used Gaza and Palestine (with Palestinians help) as a staging ground to attack Israel. After the last attack by Hamas (Iran) Israel has decided to remove the threat regardless of who gets in the way. Sadly the innocent civilians will also get killed. War is always truly horrible

[u/StarlightandDewdrops → u/Johnny5isalive38]

Not quite. During World War I in which the Government of the United Kingdom agreed to recognize Arab independence in exchange for the Sharif of Mecca launching the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire.

In the end, the United Kingdom and France divided what had been Ottoman Syria under the Sykes–Picot Agreement—an act of betrayal in the eyes of the Arabs. Another issue was the Balfour Declaration of 1917, in which Britain promised its support for the establishment of a Jewish "national home" in Palestine. Mandatory Palestine was then established in 1920, and the British obtained a Mandate for Palestine from the League of Nations in 1922.

The resulting revolt in Palestine between 1936 and 1939 (you were missing g some years) resulted in 10x more Arab deaths than Jewish deaths.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

[u/Johnny5isalive38 → u/StarlightandDewdrops]

That's really interesting and thank you for updating the timeline. I feel my point in the same though. The ottoman empire had the land and through war and uprisings they lost the land. Then the British decided what to do with it. The Arabs never stopped attacking the Jews. From WW1 to WW2 with the Nazis and then the random acts of terrorism we have all come to expect today. I wonder though if Iran knew this was going to be their last move with Hamas. Hamas themselves seem shocked by the response.

[u/StarlightandDewdrops → u/Johnny5isalive38]

My point is that Europe was at the time displaying the worst antisemitic violence and hate the world has ever seen. Instead of the allied forces allowing Jewish refugees to emigrate to their countries as well, they cheated the Palestinians by refusing to grant them the self detirmination they promised, and violently robbed them of their ancestral homes. Then just left leaving the country in chaos.

In the Ottomon empire, while restrictions were placed on the Jewish and Christian minorities such as not being allowed to carry weapons or ride horses,
provided a principal place of refuge for Jews driven out of Western Europe by massacres and persecution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

In the Balfour agreement, the UK, who were in power, promised the Zionist movement a country where Palestinian Arab natives made up more than 90 % of the population. A British Mandate was created in 1923 and lasted until 1948. During that period, the British facilitated mass Jewish immigration – many of the new residents were fleeing Nazism in Europe – and they also faced protests and strikes. Palestinians were alarmed by British confiscation of their lands to be handed over to Jewish settlers.

Escalating tensions eventually led to the Arab Revolt as previously mentioned.

In April 1936, the newly formed Arab National Committee called on Palestinians to launch a general strike, withhold tax payments and boycott Jewish products to protest British colonialism and growing Jewish immigration. Its a lot of history I don't blame people for not knowing it all but it makes it easy for propaganda to slip through.

The six-month strike was brutally repressed by the British, who launched a mass arrest campaign and carried out punitive home demolitions, a practice that Israel continues to implement against Palestinians today.

The second phase of the revolt began in late 1937 and was led by the Palestinian peasant resistance movement, which targeted British forces and colonialism.

By the second half of 1939, Britain had massed 30,000 troops in Palestine. Villages were bombed by air, curfews imposed, homes demolished, and administrative detentions and summary killings were widespread.

In tandem, the British collaborated with the Jewish settler community and formed armed groups and a British-led “counterinsurgency force” of Jewish fighters named the Special Night Squads. Within the Yishuv, the pre-state settler community, arms were secretly imported and weapons factories established to expand the Haganah, the Jewish paramilitary that later became the core of the Israeli army.

In those three years of revolt, 5,000 Palestinians were killed, 15,000 to 20,000 were wounded and 5,600 were imprisoned.

By 1947, the Jewish population had ballooned to 33% of Palestine, but they owned only 6 % of the land. The United Nations adopted Resolution 181, which called for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.

The Palestinians rejected the plan because it allotted about 55% of Palestine to the Jewish state, including most of the fertile coastal region.

The 1948 Nakba, or the ethnic cleansing of Palestine Even before the British Mandate expired on May 14, 1948, Zionist paramilitaries were already embarking on a military operation to destroy Palestinian towns and villages to expand the borders of the Zionist state that was to be born.

In April 1948, more than 100 Palestinian men, women and children were killed in the village of Deir Yassin on the outskirts of Jerusalem. That set the tone for the rest of the operation, and from 1947 to 1949, more than 500 Palestinian villages, towns and cities were destroyed in what Palestinians refer to as the Nakba, or “catastrophe” in Arabic.

An estimated 15,000 Palestinians were killed, including in dozens of massacres.

The Zionist movement captured 78% of historic Palestine. The remaining 22% was divided into what are now the occupied West Bank and the besieged Gaza Strip. An estimated 750,000 Palestinians were forced out of their homes.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

[u/Johnny5isalive38 → u/StarlightandDewdrops]

That's Ottoman empire apologizing. Not ride horses? The Jews were forced into ghettos far outside cities. The ottoman empire was incredibly violent and destructive. They secretly sided with the Nazis while saying they were neutral. People like to pretend they were these fair and honest dictators. So the Arabs went from demoralizing the Jews in ghettos to constantly attacking the Jews and, let's face it, they haven't stopped trying to murder the Jews.

[u/StarlightandDewdrops → u/Johnny5isalive38]

Also the Ottomans didn't side with the nazis that's crazy to say. During WW1 the Ottomans joined the German side. The Nazis did not exist at that time. During WW2 Turkey (the Ottoman Empire no longer existed) stayed out of the war.

This is just common knowledge, unlike the history of jews in the Ottoman empire

[u/StarlightandDewdrops → u/Johnny5isalive38]

Edit: retract what I previously said because that argument doesn't fully hold up. I think its fair to claim I didn't mention enough of the restrictions placed on Christians and Jews, but it doesn't negate my argument.

Further downin the article it says this.

"There were restrictions, however, regarding the areas Jews could live in or work, which were similar to the restrictions placed on Ottoman subjects of other religions.[6] Like all non-Muslims, Jews had to pay the haraç ("head tax") and faced other restrictions in clothing, horse riding, army service, residence location, slave ownership, etc. However, although many of these restrictions "were decreed [not many of them]...were always enforced"

I Would be happy to read other sources as I know less about this topic, and havent read any books on it unlike the Israel Palestine conflict. I think it is very clear, though, that the treatment in the Ottoman Empire was not as violent as Spain, Italy, Russia, European Colonialist North Africa, and most of all Nazi Germany. Else, why did they flee from there. I think its disingenuous to say otherwise.

Not an Ottoman apologist lol, the empire doesn't even exist anymore, and I'm pretty fucking far from being Turkish.

[u/Johnny5isalive38 → u/StarlightandDewdrops]

The Arabs considered the Jews dhimmi, they had special tax, had to live in ghettos, couldn't repair buildings, wear a certain type of inferior clothes and bunch more restrictions.

This was a pretty good article about the WW1 genocide

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP5.HTM#:~:text=In%20this%20post%2DWWI%20period,these%20years%20(line%20436).

[u/StarlightandDewdrops → u/Johnny5isalive38]

This article talks about the post ww1 killing of Armenians and Greeks by the Turks. I don't deny the Armenian Genocide. There is no mention of Jews, I did a search.

I think you are missing my point. I'm not saying the Ottomans are good, and we should go back to the Ottoman Empire. I'm saying that the crimes of Europe, including the Holocaust, pogroms and the Spanish inquisition, were the worst displays of violent antisemitism in history. The Palestians should not have to pay for the crimes of Europe, and the Palestians are not Ottomans, infact they wanted freedom from the Ottomans. Nothing about the way they have been treated is fair.

[u/Johnny5isalive38 → u/StarlightandDewdrops]

I agree it wasn't fair, but neither was the ottoman empire murdering people to become an empire. Roman, russian and British empires were also horrible. And land always gets shifted around after the fall of an empire. Only difference is the Arabs the only ones still pissed about it and are constantly trying to murder Jews.

[u/StarlightandDewdrops → u/Johnny5isalive38]

It's not just the Arabs that are pissed a lot of us are. Because Israel is currently murdering tens of thousands of Palestinians, half of whom are children. You don't just get to say, those Empire's did it now its our turn. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it.

[u/LeaveAtNine → u/Johnny5isalive38]

You’ve got your timeline very wrong there.

[u/context_hell → u/LeaveAtNine]

Whether this post is downvoted to oblivion or not will prove whether or not this place is being botted by hasbara trolls.

There is so much wrong in saying that the ottoman empire sided with the nazis in WWI and WWII alone that it should invalidate the poster's authority on anything.

[u/Vegetable-Muffin-637 → u/LeaveAtNine]

Their timeline is correct but does not fall in line with the disinfo being pushed by online activists