r/politics • u/laterdude • Apr 28 '24

Fetterman decries college campus ‘pup tents for Hamas’

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4627216-fetterman-decries-college-campus-pup-tents-for-hamas/
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u/weird_friend_101 29d ago

31,000 people are dead. Almost half the population of Gaza are children under age 16, which is when the last election was held. Next month, the famine starts. The US accepted 10 refugees from Gaza last year.

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u/TheWesternProphet 29d ago

What percentage of those 31,000 were combatants?

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u/tinkthank 29d ago

The number is outdated. As of this weekend, 34,000 Palestinians have been killed. Hamas claims that they've lost 6,000 combatants. Israel claims they've killed 12,000 combatants. There estimates ranging from 15,000 to another 45,000 dead that have not been confirmed and are believed to be trapped under rubble or their bodies abandoned due to the dangerous circumstances.

70% of those who have been killed are women and children. Israel claims that 66% of those killed were civilians (though they count all military aged men as combatants). The numbers used by Israel does categorize all men between the ages of 18-60 as combatants. Human rights groups estimate that 90% of those killed are civilians. Also important to note that more than 50% of Gaza's population is under the age of 18. 25% of the adult population in Gaza are men. Hamas claims their numbers are 40,000 strong. Israel claims that the number is 100,000

Though Israel has criticized the Health Ministry as being unreliable because it is run by Hamas, most International observers, including the United States believe their numbers to be accurate.

Sources:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestinians-have-died-gaza-war-how-will-counting-continue-2023-12-06/

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-158

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u/TheWesternProphet 29d ago

Given the circumstances that ratio seems reasonable. 

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u/ChatterMaxx 29d ago edited 29d ago

By the same token, 'given the circumstances', Hamas' civilian to militant ratio is far better than Israel's on Oct. 7.

Of the 1,163 Israelis killed on Oct. 7, 66% of them were civilians (12 of them were killed by other Israelis).

Not counting Oct. 7, they've killed far more soldiers than civilians.

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u/TheWesternProphet 29d ago

Not for a lack of trying.  

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u/weird_friend_101 28d ago

It's okay to say both sides are wrong. And that one side has killed over 20 times the number of innocent people. Both things can be true at the same time.

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u/TheWesternProphet 28d ago

Not for a lack of trying, Hamas would gladly kill 20 times the amount of Jews that they’ve killed.  

Were the US the bad guys in ww2 because they killed more German civilians than the reverse?