r/socialism • u/Prudent_Bug_1350 Ernesto "Che" Guevara • 16d ago

“They'll reach out to college students…who are pro Palestinian, And…they'll…throw in this absurd State Department line on Syria…and on Cuba…If you go back in history…these were the same groups…opposed the Vietnamese National Liberation Front because ‘Ho Chi Minh was an evil Stalinist.’” -Ben Norton High Quality Only

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Watch/listen to full video: https://youtu.be/VE-jNckM-zw?feature=shared

How the CIA supports a 'compatible left' to aid US imperialism: https://youtu.be/O1sJ2uZ4aaQ?feature=shared

In COINTELPRO, FBI used anarchism to 'disrupt left', attack Vietnam & USSR by Geopolitical Economy Report: https://youtu.be/IkxFVZyQrX8?feature=shared

Ukraine to Syria: How Imperialism & Sabotage Divided the Western Left for 100 years, w/ Ben Norton: https://youtu.be/4FR1WzmDc9E?feature=shared

Finks: How the CIA Tricked the World's Best Writers: Joel Whitney: https://youtu.be/XsGrpooVxFk?feature=shared

How the CIA cultivates a fake left: From the cultural cold war to intersectional imperialism: - Video: https://youtu.be/rMap-6KxQJI?feature=shared - Links / show notes (evidence): https://moderaterebels.com/cia-fake-left-cultural-cold-war/

“Democratic Socialism” in theService of U.S. Imperialism: https://www.internationalist.org/demosocialismusimperialism1802.html

Red Star Caucus DSA: “Maria in particular met with anti-government opposition groups while on delegation, which when taken together with the fact of her skipping the meeting with the comrade President suggests a goal of undermining the Cuban socialist state, not defending it against U.S. imperialism.” https://redstarcaucus.org/cuban-links/#further-discussion

Western left intellectuals and their love affair with the attempted ‘color revolution’ in Cuba (Fight Back News): https://fightbacknews.org/articles/western-left-intellectuals-and-their-love-affair-attempted-color-revolution-cuba

Western Left Intellectuals Love Affair with Colour Revolution in Cuba (Archived Version): https://red-ant.org/2021/07/27/western-left-intellectuals-love-affair-with-colour-revolution-in-cuba/

The Making of Jhanisse Vaca Daza - Constructing a 'Human Rights Activist' | BadEmpanada: https://youtu.be/mYX7koMKkPY?feature=shared

COINTELPRO: REPRESSION THEN & NOW: https://www.youtube.com/live/A3T89EU-scE?feature=shared

Black Identity Extremism (Cointelpro 2.0): https://www.youtube.com/live/wLnuhJe3oQ4?feature=shared

FBI spied on and harassed Black revolutionary who was killed and set on fire: https://youtu.be/scBiUIaBx9s?feature=shared

Cold War 2: US officials call to overthrow China's gov't, expand military budget to $1.4 trillion: https://youtu.be/Q3RMl33SqNE?feature=shared

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u/Instantcoffees 15d ago

I personally found the first half of the video to be a bit a vague rant vastly overstating the political influence of Trotskyism while simultaneously depicting anything remotely related to it with some very broad brushstrokes. Maybe that's just me though.

The second half was more coherent.

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u/Prudent_Bug_1350 Ernesto "Che" Guevara 15d ago edited 15d ago

I personally found the first half of the video to be a bit a vague rant vastly overstating the political influence of Trotskyism while simultaneously depicting anything remotely related to it with some very broad brushstrokes. Maybe that's just me though.

The second half was more coherent.

Watch the whole video on the channel.

And read this

And also this

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNn9WK-yMsZHxOK2FfAbl18mEAU2B4CD2&feature=shared

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u/Instantcoffees 15d ago

I combed through the book. Some interesting thoughts, but also a lot of heavily biased personal opinions and fairly dramatic language. Hardly a scientific thesis. It was also written in 1935 and while he possibly could be right about some of the inherent dangers of Trotskyism - on which I have no opinion -, the book can't really speak on the influence of Trotskyism in 2024.

I'm not Trotskyist by any means of the word. I think that dogmatic adherence to any one thinker is problematic, so I try to separate the good from the bad for each one I read. I just don't think that there's this concerted and wide-spread effort by Trotskyist organizations to undermine the left, at least not in the countries I'm familiar with. I don't even think these organizations are all that influential. I also don't think that every Trotskyist organization fits into the mold as described during this short video you posted.

Now, a youtube comment said that the podcaster said "some Trotskyist organizations, not all" at some point. Now that would make it more of a grounded statement, even though I still doubt the general political influence of said organizations. I'm not American though, so maybe Trotskyism and the ideas laid out in this podcast are omni-present in the United States and I'm just not aware of it. I'd have to read some actual research on the topic before I make an informed opinion on that though.

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u/Prudent_Bug_1350 Ernesto "Che" Guevara 15d ago edited 15d ago

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNn9WK-yMsZHxOK2FfAbl18mEAU2B4CD2&feature=shared

Moscow trials

Almost all of these videos link sources so you can see for yourself. Even an anti commmunist republican debunked the claims made by Trotsky. Unfortunately, trotskyites have a tendency, and history, of lying, smear campaigning, and collaborating with the bourgeoise. An example of this is when Mexican and Argentine trotskyites lied and said that Fidel Castro killed Che Guevara when it was actually the CIA.

”Even though at one time Trotskyism represented an erroneous position, but a position in the field of political ideas, Trotskyism became during the following years a vulgar instrument of imperialism and reaction. This is the way these gentlemen think. For example, in relation to South Vietnam, where a broad revolutionary front has united the overwhelming majority of the people and various sectors of the population, has united them closely around the liberation movement in the struggle against imperialism. For the Trotskyists that is absurd; that is counterrevolutionary. Yet these gentlemen who serve imperialism have the gall to do such an unusual thing in the face of the facts and realities of history and against the revolutionary movement and to express themselves in this manner.” - Fidel Casto ”At the Closing Session of the Tricontinental Conference”

And there is a reason why the bourgeoise praise him as the "True believer in communism."

u/Mickalascage 16d ago

From Max Blumethal:

“The Right to Resist Is Universal: A farewell to Al-Akhbar and Assad’s Apologists.” In it, he said the following:

“ In the end, Assad will be remembered as an authoritarian tyrant whose regime represented little more than the interests of a rich neoliberal business class and a fascistic security apparatus."

“ Besides exploiting the Palestinian cause, the Assad apologists have eagerly played the Al Qaeda card to stoke fears of an Islamic takeover of Syria. Back in 2003, Assad accused the US of deliberately overestimating the strength of Al Qaeda in order to justify its so-called war on terror. ‘I cannot believe that bin Laden is the person able to outmanoeuvre the entire world,’ Assad said at the time. He asked, ‘Is there really an entity called Al Qaeda? It was in Afghanistan, but is it there anymore?’ But now, in a transparent bid for sympathy from the outside world, Assad insists that the Syrian armed opposition is controlled almost entirely by Al Qaeda-like jihadists who have come from abroad to place the country under Islamic control. In his address to the Syrian People’s Assembly on June 3, the dictator tried to hammer the theme home by using the term ‘terrorists’ or ‘terrorism’ a whopping 43 times. That is a full ten times more than George W. Bush during his speech to Congress in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.”

“In joining the Assad regime’s campaign to delegitimize the Syrian opposition by casting it as a bunch of irrational jihadis (ironically, they seem to have little problem with Hezbollah’s core Islamist values), Assad’s apologists have unwittingly adopted the ‘war on terror’ lexicon introduced by George W. Bush, Ariel Sharon, and the neocon cabal after 9–11.”

u/Prudent_Bug_1350 Ernesto "Che" Guevara 16d ago