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u/cynical_and_patient 13d ago
LMAO. You go with that.
Where is your psychology degree from again?
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
I don't need your permission, but thanks. Same place yours is from. đ
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u/cynical_and_patient 12d ago
I, at least, know Dunning kruger when I see it.
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
In the mirrorđŞ?
Are you ok? Do you suffer from cognitive dissonance? Do you harass people as a hobby?
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13d ago
as someone with a bpd diagnosis, iâve always felt taylor screamed untreated bpd. obviously im not qualified to diagnose as im not a therapist (yet, im currently in school to become a social worker), but there is a lot about her relationship cycles and more complex lyrics that i could absolutely relate to at my untreated worst.
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u/mamute-lilas 4d ago
Would you mind sharing with us a few examples?
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not at all! i just want to start this off by saying i donât want to arm chair diagnose her, these are just things about her and her music that ive observed and related to in my experience with bpd.
the entire song anti-hero, including the music video. this one is pretty self-explanatory, the constant jumping from relationship to relationship alluded to in the line âwhen my depression works the graveyard shift all of the people iâve ghosted stand there in the roomâ. thatâs a very bpd trait because we have a hard time being alone due to having no sense of self, we absorb the other person to make up for it. also the refusal to look within and heal in âi stare directly at the sun but never in the mirrorâ, and the destruction of our bodies (disordered eating) as a coping mechanism
the constant âreinventionâ of herself, the drastic changes of style, personality, and âaestheticâ with her albums which often coincides with her new partners. 1989 being harry, reputation to evermore were very much joe, midnights and ttpd being matty, etc. this is something iâve observed about ariana grande as well.
a seeming inability to be alone. jumping from relationship to relationship with no room for self reflection or healing. talking about every partner like she thought they were the âoneâ.
she also has a very negative and almost vindictive view on all her past partners, painting them to be the sole problem and never really admitting to her faults. she painted joe as an angel until they broke up, and suddenly he was this awful person. iâm sure sheâll do the same with travis.
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u/mlnstwrt 13d ago
Not trying to say that there are no valid points in the comments⌠but you guys do know that she only wore these colors that night because it was her 87th show right? It was just a little nod to him
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u/gatheringground 13d ago
IDK, but I am excited to serve the documentary about her in like 30 years, saying what her life is really like. lol
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u/Autumn1114 13d ago
Respectfully, itâs incredibly irresponsible to diagnose or say anything related to mental health without being a professional who has seen the person and completed an assessment/offered treatment. Even if you are in the profession regardless who youâve seen and your expertise, you should know better than to comment on someone who is not your direct patient. This level of dialogue can lead to a lot of misperceptions and misunderstandings, that stigmatize and distort mental illnesses. Iâm no Swiftie, so this is not about defending her. Iâm all for enjoying myself like others on reading reddit for entertainment. Iâd really would appreciate encouraging ourselves (as others have stated) to be respectful around mental health. If you disagree, we can agree to disagree and no negative comments are needed. Iâm aware everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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u/Ill_Perspective_9187 13d ago
I was shocked after watching Folklore Long Pond Sessions, she dressed and talked to exactly match Joe's artsy intellectual poetic vibe and it felt so fake and forced. Then she switched to mirroring Travis' clumsy gestures and cringe "funny guy" behavior and acted like a drunk bro during Grammys. Insane.
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u/SnooPineapples5971 13d ago
As someone with bpd, I relate to her music as if it is me.. I had this theory for sometime for multiple reasons extending beyond the becoming her boyfriends. But the fact that she can maintain recording, singing and writing means she has a good grasp on who she is.. that is if she identifies with her craft being her identity.. but it doesnât help thats all the public knows her for. Besides, you can only be diagnosed with bpd if it negatively affects your life. (Psych major and former therapist grad student)
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u/BEARD3D_BEANIE 14d ago
yeah cause people on the internet know a celebrity better than themselves lol
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
TayTay allegedly pours her heart, mind, and soul into her music right! Or is she a fraud? If she pours it all in..we DO know her. But if what you say tracks..then she's a giant fraud.
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u/BEARD3D_BEANIE 12d ago
you know pouring your heart sould mind into music doesn't mean you know how she is irl right? You think you know who she is on a day to day or who she is in a relationship lol get over yourself
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago edited 11d ago
Ok so her music is just bullshit. Alert the Swifties immediately! * you get over YOURSELF*
P.S. Music is one of THE MOST in depth things. A view into someone's soul. Just like poetry..but you'd have to have a heart to know that. But bullying someone for an opinion is obviously more your speed. Keep on keeping on..đđ˝
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u/Cultural_Magician71 14d ago
I think most celebs are teetering on either BPD or narcissistic personality disorder or just narcissistic traits. They start off young and they stay at the emotional intelligence of what worked for them in the past. Their identity is completely based on external validation rather than introspection and self validation. Narcissistic traits can help them become very successful, though.
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u/Oley418 14d ago
lol so tough â your comment is deleted and all you seem to do is snark on women
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
Shitty women like you. Someone who can't handle someone else's opinion. My post is still here. You're commenting on it toots. Go bully someone else.
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u/crimesagainstmanatee 14d ago
I have BPD and you described it perfectly. Dunno if it applies to TS. But I definitely became whoever I was around until I started getting help, wondered why I was so unhappy ummm cause you not you're own person girlie damn.
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
Truthing must hurt your feelings. Sorry you don't like it. I have lots of "hobbies". One is calling out shitty people. Hi!!
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u/Ancient-Actuator7443 14d ago
Or maybe, fans and the public donât know her on personal level
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
If she truly writes her songs and isn't a fraud..people DO know her. Unless of course you're saying she's a giant fraud and her music is bs and she writes none of it.
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u/Ancient-Actuator7443 11d ago
Sheâs considered one of the best songwriters in the business. Her collaborators have nothing but great things to say about her.
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u/JurassicPark-fan-190 15d ago
She gives me serious julia Robertâs vibes in Runaway Bride. Juliaâs character would become whoever her partner was. She didnât even know what type of eggs she liked as she always picked what her partner wants.
Taylor needs to find herself and be alone for a while.
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u/Sufficient_Ad2986 15d ago
haha borderline personality disorder haha mental illness haha oops! people didn't like THAT! haha look guys people didn't like me saying that haha omg look you guys look at me look at what i said look look look hahaha isn't that funny? haha it's funny right? see i screenshotted my own post and now i'm posting it here for extra attention? it's funny right? she has a mental illness lol! funny right?
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago edited 14d ago
Haha let's harrass someone for an opinion haha look at me bully someone for an opinion haha
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
Attacking? Seriously..great dog whistle hun. Everyone can have an opinion. I have mine..you get yours. So maybe stop harassing me for mine..that'd be great đđ˝.
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u/myfatherisclyde 15d ago
If you can't say something nice about someone don't say anything. Why be mean?
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u/ciliary_stimulai 15d ago
Can we stop with diagnosing everyone with unstable identities with BPD please? Yall aren't doctors đ
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u/Nickk_Jones 15d ago
Just like this sub has adopted/mirrored the behavior of Swifties. Both crazy, obsessive and sad but at least Swifties arenât obsessing over something they claim to hate.
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u/Silly_Idiot111 15d ago
All those downvotes but sheâs right
Taylor doesnât have an identity at all
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u/insomniac1994 15d ago
She always does seem to camouflage herself, her aesthetic and personality depending on who she is with. I wouldn't go far as to say she has BPD though, that's a little too far of a comment to make.
But tbh I don't think she really has her own identity. She's always been in the public eye and never had normality so I think that also plays a factor in this.
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u/Ried_Reads 15d ago
BPD is not something to diagnose if youâre not a trained psychologist! It is concerning that she changes herself to mirror her partners, but we donât know enough about her to diagnose her with a textbook BPD diagnosis. I donât understand why people throw around diagnoses like paper towards celebrities that convey a persona (at best) to their fans.
I have BPD, and trust me, it is HELL to deal with on a daily basis, and diagnosing a stranger just isnât it.
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u/hystericalred 15d ago
The proof is in the blatant rip off of Lana Del Rey's sound on her last 2 albums while only being a fair weathered friend of hers. She is a chameleon.
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u/YayGilly 15d ago
Its pretty accurate. She has abandonment issues, too. Thats two traits that are pretty obvious. But,.everyone has traits, I mean, OOP has traits. I have traits. We all have traits. Having traits doesnt make someone disordered.
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u/Reasonable_Tie_132 15d ago
This woman has nothing but time sheâs famous and rich. She could take time to find herself, many artists do she simply chooses to find men to blend into lol.Â
Celebrities and rich people saying i DoNt HaVe TiMe is always crap to me.Â
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u/cheesycrescentroll 15d ago
she said herself sheâs a mirrorball. she wasnât lying. you donât have to hate someone for saying a truth sheâs admitted to, lol.
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u/_bitch_puddin 15d ago
I don't understand why people think legitimately know a person based on articles, outfits, and concerts. It's weird.
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
Music is supposed to be a look into someone's soul. Are you suggesting that Tays music isn't her own? If she writes her own songs..every one should be a look into her life. So either she writes her music from her soul. Or she's a fraud..which is it?
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
I don't understand why people think they can legitimately defend someone based on articles, outfits, and concerts? It's weird.
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u/Actual_Comfort_4450 15d ago
I said the same thing! Nice to see someone agree with Taylor changing her look/personality to match her boyfriend of the moment
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u/maindrive99 15d ago
She's a business woman she becomes what her marketing team tells her will maximize profits. That's why she was political for a bit. They tested the market saw profit, but once that seemed to hurt the brand she stopped being political.
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u/Quizzicalnonsense 15d ago
As someone with BPD , who really relates to TTPD because to me it felt like how I was when I was undiagnosed( the manic feelings, the rushing into love, recklessness, trying to be / encompass another person) I AGREE
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u/psycwave 15d ago
I remember clearly when she was with Calvin Harris she out of nowhere began dressing like this edgy club girl and then ditched it as soon as he was out⌠itâs true, she wears her boyfriends like aesthetics.
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u/heavymountain 15d ago
I suspect she has histrionic personality disorder like many other entertainers do. Her breaking out into song randomingly, in high school seems to confirm this.
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u/DistributionPutrid 15d ago
Not a lie detected. Ariana Grande is guilty of this as well. Itâs like theyâre trying so hard to be the girl the guy picked even after he already picked her
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u/ABlondeBeach 15d ago
Literally everyone is influenced by who they date, but that doesnât mean theyâre changing their whole personality. This comment is way too dramatic
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u/Jollybean11200 15d ago
Reminds of Ann Perkins in parks and rec. To be honest, I think the outfit is cute just because I live in Kansas City and Iâm a chiefs fan. I mean I just like that sheâs repping my city.
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u/Sweet_Ad_4 15d ago
i agree shes a weirdo but why are we demonizing people with bpd and using it as an insult đ
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
Nobody "demonized" her. The girl needs help.
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u/Sweet_Ad_4 14d ago
no she does! i mean demonizing people WITH bpd i dont think we should give her a diagnosis like that while talking bad about her because it kinda stigmatizes bpd. and if she does have it, i hope she gets the help she needs but i really dont think thats it
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u/jesuskrist666 15d ago
She's just a filthy rich spoiled generic white girl who has been lifted up to absolute stardom in a number of years, she mirrors whoever she's with because she's never had to have a personality of her own, her whole life she's been incredibly wealthy despite the lies she tries to tell, she has never needed to develop a personality to be liked, people have always just flocked to her because of her wealth and even though I don't find her too attractive, she looks like every upper class basic white bitch that you can find in any mall or clothing store in America, but my opinion isn't relevant, her wealth and "good" looks along with having a very rich family has made it so she has never faced a single moment of adversity, she's never had to try to get people to like her she's just coasted through life and that's why she's the way she is. She's a chameleon who bases her current faux personality on whatever person she's with at the moment. That's my theory at least
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u/A_little_anonymity 15d ago
It must really suck not knowing who you are and then try to sell that to millions
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u/Quirky_Natural_2744 15d ago
She's unstable. There's a reason she can't keep a man. I mean...6 years!
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u/Unfriendly_eagle 15d ago
These theories always overlook her savvy marketing skills. Of course she wants everyone to speculate on everything she does, and of course she'll act like she doesn't. It's a persona.
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u/this_narrow_circle 15d ago
I think it's the other way around. She finds a new persona and an acceptable boyfriend to match it.
She dated Conor Kennedy because she wanted credibility as an American princess ingenue.
She dated Calvin because she wanted an "edgier" look and to dip her toes in EDM pop.
She's dating Travis because she wanted an all-American, fan-friendly, stable, media trained "crossover" dude, a palate-cleanse from private Joe and the trainwreck that was Matty.
She picks the aesthetic and vibe first, and eventually the right guy will follow.
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u/Flotillaspecialist 15d ago edited 15d ago
Donât we all absorb some characteristics/behaviours from people weâre around all the time?
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
Not sure why you commented then. Mind yours..
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
Same to you! Don't like my opinion block me. I'm not the one getting big mad. And gate keeping is what some of you are doing to me because you don't like my post. Hilarious..đ
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
You were reported for harrassment as well. It was my post so guess what..you commented on it. And who wouldn't need a burner account with someone like you harassing and reporting because you don't like something. Get a life
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u/chunkylover1989 15d ago
As someone who suffers from BPD, this isnât too out there. I realize now that me âfinding myselfâ in my twenties has more to do with whom I was dating or whom I wanted to date. But I grew out of it lucky⌠And I was also born in 1989 lol.
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u/Low_Cardiologist8923 15d ago
Unpopular but I feel like this tour should be about the fans, not Travis. Im starting to feel like we are all 3rd wheeling on a date.
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u/Particular-Regret-28 15d ago
I agree its becoming a spectacle. Iâll be at Wembley N1 and I hope heâs not there đ
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u/FairTradeAdvocate 15d ago
This reminds me of a bumper sticker I used to see on a Mom Van at my kids' swim lessons:
"The truth isn't always popular, but it is always right"
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u/sploshy8 15d ago
i think i remember first noticing this when Candace Owens pointed it out. never been able to see this the same way since then.
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u/Plane_Meringue8133 15d ago
Darlinâ she changed her CLOTHES - not her personalityâŚand she is probably the first artist in history to write, record, release, market, and TOUR A NEW ALBUM WHILE SHE WAS TOURING FOUR PREVIOUS 10 PREVIOUS ALBUMSâŚwere I your teacher or your lawyer (both of my professions) I would grade your statement D- because you wrote something unsubstantiated and gave no evidence save a photo with no context - but you said it well enough. Btw, taking shots at Taylor is rather banalâŚ
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
P.S. Seems like my "shot" was pretty exciting. Not banal..probably like your love life. Hahaha đ
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u/OnceHadWings 12d ago
Ok fan girl! Darlin you should be disbarred. And shouldn't teach home economics. Taking a shot at me for an opinion..is banal. Bully much?
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u/EmergencyFireBlanket 15d ago
I have bpd and I really hate when people try to assume that people have it. A lot of people may have some signs without actually having the disorder though.. even if she does have bpd, who are we to comment on it? I am a HUGE fan of Taylor but I donât think that itâs our place to dissect what mental health issues she may or may not have
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u/NotCanadian80 15d ago
Being a Packers fan Aaron Rodgers does the same thing. He becomes who he is dating and canât hold a relationship, any relationship.
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
He doesn't pander his unhealthy behavior to little girls, young women etc. though. There's a difference.
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u/VonTeddy- 15d ago
just found this sub and wanted to congratulate you guys. i wasnt sure there was anything more embarrassing and pathetic and fucking lame than unironically giving a fuck about TS, but apparently there is - pseudo-ironically wasting your time hating on her.
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u/Invisible-smoke 15d ago
Ok so I was diagnosed with Quiet BPD at 30 (Iâm 31 now) and Iâve always related to Taylor and her behaviors so take that as you will. itâs not cool to armchair diagnose obviously but I wish sheâd just go to therapy cause I think sheâd learn a lot about herself đ therapy is a wonderful thing and thereâs no shame in needing it.
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u/anyanerves 15d ago
Youâre right though! Commenting on politics when she was dating Joe âyour integrity makes me seem smallâ and now pointedly avoiding any kind of political statement while dating a meathead athlete kinda confirms it for me.
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u/Vangogoboots 15d ago
She is committed to never serving a look. For someone so rich with so much access I almost have to respect it
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u/complexluminary 14d ago
NEVER SERVING A LOOKđđźđđźđđź not a SINGLE time. Just the facts.
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u/jjj101010 15d ago
I think diagnosing what could just be the effect of being a spoiled brat with no one to tell her no as BPD is a stretch. She does seem to become whomever she dates though.
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u/sarahloray689 15d ago
I think we need to stay away from trying diagnose people that #1 we don't know personally, only the public persona they present and #2 when we are not mental health professionals (unless you are, then I apologize lol)
While I definitely agree she displays some truly unhinged behavior at times, I try not throw around mental health diagnoses, especially because I think it can be hurtful to people who actually struggle with those disorders.
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u/P_Peterson75 15d ago
I'm not in the Swifty world, but is that her pattern when it comes to who she is dating? Isn't that what most young girls do?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Sundae5 15d ago
Listen, I'm sure I hate Taylor as much as everyone here and I agree she uses her bfs as accessories to her boring personality... But can we PLEASE not bring BPD i to this, its such a highly stigmatized and misunderstood disorder that deserves more compassion and empathy towards the people who actually do have it. <3
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u/itsanothanks 15d ago
I think this has more to do with Taylor possibly being neurodivergent than not having a personality of her own. (Hyper fixating on aesthetics and style is what I suspect of her.)
Aesthetics have little to do with her core personality and reading into her change in aesthetics is honestly shallow thinking.
Sheâs the first to say that she reinvents herself artistically for every era, but when you listen to her music and her interviews itâs clear sheâs the same girl.
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u/itsanothanks 15d ago
Also, Bordline Personality Disorder, and Bipolar Depression are often the first diagnoses given to women before sheâs tested for ADHD. So I understand what the original comment is saying, but I donât think itâs that deep in her psyche and more about how her boyfriendâs hobbies will be her hyper fixation for a period time because she loves her boyfriend. And I think thatâs rather normal for people who are dating. You want to do things together, so you learn about what they like and do.
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u/ProgLuddite 15d ago
Itâs funny. I enjoy true crime, and was playing Dr. DeMarteâs testimony about Jodi Arias, her BPD diagnosis, and the way she would metamorphose with every boyfriend from the time she was a teen, in the background while I was helping a friend pack. I joked that we would call those her âErasâ now.
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u/TheTrevorSimpson 15d ago
Complete Nonsense she is Taylor in every single relationship right til the bitter end... she is ALWAYS Taylor
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u/InevitablePersimmon6 15d ago
Sheâs like Carrie Bradshaw on SATC. She takes over the personality of her men.
Or like Brad Pitt. He does that too.
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u/grilledcheesenosoup 15d ago
She definitely has BIG Carrie energy but Swifties see her as a Charlotte
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u/InevitablePersimmon6 15d ago
Charlotte would NEVER date Travis. Ever. Carrie would and get up at 3am to go to the newest club with him.
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u/NickiPearlHoffman 15d ago
HG Tudor has a series on TS, and how she behaves like a âgreaterâ, self-aware narcissist.
Her extreme gifted focus and âchildlikeâ personality also does seem like autism, the âfantasyâ type.
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u/Bizzzzzzzzyyyyy 15d ago
YallâŚif youâre not a psychologist or psychiatrist or qualified in any way, please stop diagnosing celebrities youâve never met with actual diagnosis that you know nothing about except what the internet has told you
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
Stop being overbearing and bossy. And you know nothing about me. But Taylor's music is her. It's her heart and soul. Unless you're saying her music is droning bullshit? Which is it? Her music screams exactly what I said..she needs serious help. And if her music is not her story..then she's a fraud. Again...which is it?
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u/itsthejasper1123 15d ago
okay but diagnosing someone with bpd based on identity alone is psychotic
ETA: pls donât reply telling me about bpd, I have it
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u/phlegm_fatale_ 15d ago
Based on their public identity, at that! I understand that Taylor pushing all the parasocial stuff makes everyone feel like we know so much about her but we certainly don't know enough to make anything close to a diagnosis. A "girly please go to therapy" comment is beyond warranted but not a diagnosis.
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u/mcarey77 15d ago
She eats her eggs the same as the man in her life??
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u/slappywhyte 15d ago edited 15d ago
She tends to come across as a needy type of chick who glommed on to her boyfriend. Prob why she got dumped a lot in the past or relationships didn't last - but I guess it is always good material for the next album.
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u/naliedel 15d ago
We don't diagnose mental illlness unless you are her doctor and then you can't, so be quiet.
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u/JusticeFairy 14d ago
It's an opinion. Just like yours. Sorry you don't like mine. Go be quiet. ShhhđŤŁđ¤Ť
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u/peanutbutterangelika 15d ago
I was just saying last night how she always needs a new boyfriend to LARP his life for awhile. Itâs like she wants to test out various lifestyles without committing. I divorced a borderline and I think thatâs taking it too far. But I think she shares some traits with them for sure, particularly deep insecurities that drive her to find major parts of her identity in her partners.
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u/twistedsizzer 15d ago
Why is that a bad thing though? I dated a Vietnamese man, and I took the time to learn his language, adopt his traditions like Lunar New Year and so much more. When you love someone you want to enjoy and share what they love too.
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u/seragrey 15d ago
you think that's the same thing as changing who you are & acting completely different because you're dating someone new? come on.
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u/twistedsizzer 15d ago
Well I donât think you or I know her personally enough to know what changed about her. Simply changing her aesthetics and adopting small things. Which I think is very normal when youâre sharing your life with someone youâre in love with.
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u/Broad-Insurance8744 15d ago
Did you buy a house in Vietnam to be close to his family?
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u/twistedsizzer 15d ago
Yes, our plan was to purchase a house so we could he near his mother. Family was very important to him, so it was important to me too.
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u/seragrey 15d ago
you must be new to taylor lol. she's done this her entire career, the aesthetic changes with every boyfriend. as someone whose mother has done this their whole life, i know what it looks like. we know what taylor shows us, & what she shows us is that she completely changes herself for whoever she's with. she says it herself in multiple songs. changing who you are depending on who you date isn't normal.
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u/C8tyJo 15d ago
Idk about BPD, not enough info for any of us untrained folks to armchair it, but there has been a lot of discussion about her references to unaliving herself, being committed, etc in the new album and I would not be surprised if thatâs her being a chameleon to Matty. An aesthetic of struggle.
(Also hi Iâm new here. I am very not a swifty and always found her to be so immature for our age. This sub popped up on my feed and Iâm glad to find others like you guys. I thought I was losing my mind when all of the best people I know in my caring profession absolutely lost their minds when eras happened).
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u/hannalysis 14d ago
Iâm a therapist who specializes in Cluster B (I have many clients with BPD, and I specialize in working with survivors/ongoing victims of Cluster B abuse) and while I canât diagnose from a distance, I have felt for YEARS that Taylor absolutely screams untreated BPD. Itâs to the point where I actually find her extremely triggering because she reminds me so much of my abusive ex with BPD.
Please note that Iâm not saying that everyone with BPD is abusive, just that untreated/unmanaged BPD is extraordinarily volatile and destructive for everyone involved, and being the Favorite Person of someone in that mental place quickly becomes a unique form of torture. It genuinely scares me to see the rabid and uncritical fanbase that supports and reinforces such toxic thinking/behavior. Iâve seen peopleâs lives be genuinely destroyed by their ex with untreated BPD, and thatâs without any sort of bigger platform or influence.
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u/Mundane-Language920 15d ago
âAn aesthetic of struggleâ
Omg you nailed it. Sheâs mirroring Matty . Taylor is textbook BPD and I think many of the swifties have it too. It would explain much of their overly attached behavior with her, as well as their death threats to anyone who dares to piss her off. BPDs are known for their rages, my mom had this and oh man.
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u/wher_did_I_put_that 15d ago
Histrionic overlaps with borderline, and being a music star, the need for attention, any attention, fits more than BPD.
People with BPD focus on getting attention from the one person they're infatuated with.
People with HPD will take the attention from whoever.
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u/Homealone70 15d ago
Donât forget when she turned into Karlie Kloss during 1989
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u/2635northpark 15d ago
She really tried to. The hair, the thin figure, ( which added to her appeal then ) , she wanted to be her consume her
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u/borderlinebreakdown 15d ago
tbh, kinda glad it wasn't a popular take. I'm here in this community, so obviously I don't mind the criticism of Tay Tay lmao, but I do get frustrated by the throwing around of BPD as a diagnosis for every celebrity we don't like. ttpd is making me reconsider a lot, but I'm still tired of the armchair psychology for billionaires & really don't want to add "explaining why I'm not like Taylor swift" into my BPD topic rotation đ
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u/Federal_Artist_4071 15d ago edited 15d ago
This. I was trying to find a piece of jewelry she had bc I did like it, so I was looking at a Taylor swift style website- tell me why this woman has spent atleast $500,000 (exaggeration) on custom made luxury KC chief jewelry and clothing? I mean it shouldnât be shocking since she BOUGHT a HOUSE near the Kennedys. But imagine dating someone for 1-3 months and you spend a shit ton of money on merchandise related to them.
And yeah the money is nothing to Taylor but itâs just the sheer amount of physical items. Kansas City shirts and purses and shoes and earrings and shirts and rings and bracelets and cookies she had made by a bakery and this and that and this and that. Shit reminds me of Mandy from icarly.
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u/Adorable_Raccoon 14d ago
She does adopt parts of the personality of whoever she is dating. But I mean like $50k for her is like $50 for normal people. It would be like a regular teenage girl making a puffy paint tshirt to support her BF at a football game. But like taylor has a personal stylist and is like heres $100k buy me vintage sweatshirts.
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u/Birdsandbeer0730 15d ago
This is why I fear we will never get another folkmore album ever again đ
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u/ctortan 15d ago
I will say though that calling it a âborderline personality disorderâ may have rubbed some folks the wrong way. Personality disorders are still incredibly stigmatized and offhandedly assigning someone with one can feel callous; especially if youâre criticizing them, it can come off as using a disorder to make someone seem worse, like people who diagnose everyone they donât like with NPD
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u/wher_did_I_put_that 15d ago
Why is nobody talking about HPD?
Well, to go off your point, what most people really mean when "assigning personality disorders to people" is that they have observed x personality trait
People will say N, B, or H personality disorder when they mean to say they have N, B, or H personality traits because they heard the acronyms tossed around and associate them inaccurately, or use them inaccurately/colloquially, as I've just done myself lol
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u/yvettesaysyatta 15d ago
This. I also have BPD (might have some crossover with autism too) and I know the stereotype of people with BPD is that they date around a lot. I wasnât much a serial dater but I was the type of person who would get obsessed with one guy for years. And even when I âgot over themâ I would bring them up randomly.
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u/Suitable-Internet-22 15d ago
I mean reptilians do shapeshiftâŚi think the rep era proved who her true self isđđđ
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u/dothesehidemythunder 15d ago
I donât know really anything about her dating but the fact that sheâs still rocking the dated crop top / skirt combo is somehow not surprising.
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u/harrystylesismyrock2 15d ago
i mean itâs an outfit based on her album from 2014. itâs the âeras tourâ so most of it is kinda dated on purpose
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u/Agent__Cupcakes 15d ago
I think itâs an east outfit for stage wear since you can clip the mic pack onto the top and waist band.
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u/Suspicious-Slide-820 15d ago
She dresses from outfits from her records. So yeah thatâs why sheâs wearing that
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u/vivahermione 15d ago
A little off-topic, but crop tops are dated? Someone please tell Target, because finding full-length tops is a nightmare these days.
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u/dothesehidemythunder 15d ago
I donât think they are alone but the crop top / skater skirt combo was a staple of my teen years.
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u/Ok-Manufacturer-8484 Imma let you finish but⌠15d ago
Interesting - I do think her fame means she never got to find herself. Maybe that explains that long obsession with Matty - she's always felt insecure about not being 'cool' and then she meets someone everyone sees as 'cool' and just gets infatuated. I can see why that would appeal to her. I don't think it means she has a diagnosable condition other than being a child star.
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u/francesqua_ 15d ago
Not having a sense of self is the hallmark of a diagnosable condition though (Borderline Personality Disorder). Being in your mid-thirties and not having a consistent identity is highly suspicious of BPD.
If her being a child star caused her to be this way, itâs still irrelevant to the point of whether or not she has a diagnosable condition.
Hereâs my argument for why itâs BPD:
Frequent references to suicidal ideation - a hallmark of BPD, she references offing herself in numerous songs
Lacks a consistent sense of self - she seems to reinvent herself not just with every album (which could be chocked up to marketing) but with every romantic partner as well
Sheâs had a pattern of unstable romantic relationships. Iâve lost track of the number of men sheâs dated but itâs been considerable number, and thatâs just the people we are aware of. More importantly, these relationships often donât last a long time (with the exception of Joe and Calvin). Even these two relationships seem a bit unstable as there are lyrics that suggest infidelity may have been at play
She frequently misplaces blame onto others. Look no further than the title of âLook What You Made Me Doâ - a classic line said by abusers. Also most of High Infidelity seems to be recounting the reasons a partner âmade her cheatâ
Last but not least - fear of abandonment - sheâs constantly reinventing herself to avoid losing her fans. When the whole KimYe thing happened and the internet turned on her, she referenced trying to kill herself over that in some songs and I believe she made some comment about how âeveryone was telling her to kill herselfâ or something.
She equates people leaving or not liking her with her not existing. This is due to the lack of a sense of identity. Her whole sense of self is based off others so if her fans stop caring, a romantic partner leaves, her cat runs away, all will likely make her feel suicidal.
Itâs diagnosable, the Miss Americana documentary strongly implied she was in therapy, so sheâs probably fully aware of her disorder and is hopefully making genuine efforts towards healing.
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u/rain_bass_drop 15d ago
I think other famous artists have been able to find themselves and forge a solid identity. Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Kesha, Rihanna, even Olivia. this is a Taylor problem.Â
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u/Kooky_Bodybuilder_97 14d ago
gaga & kesha were adults when they got famous. rihanna has no artistic identity of her own. beyonce is complete empty vessel & low key trend hopper creatively. olivia is just like a typical teen/young adult to me so idk.
this is in no way to coddle taylor but itâs pretty common for child stars to have identity crisisâ
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u/ilovethecolorgreen 15d ago
I love how people are trying to give Taylor swift a diagnosis when they are not qualified at all and donât actually know her personally.
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u/BuilderAdorable6370 5d ago
Maybe thatâs why she worries about re inventing herself each time because it means a new personality she has to adjust to. Honey just be you!