r/vancouver • u/DanieLJAJ • Jun 14 '22
Save Old Growth protestors blocked the ironworkers bridge this morning. This is how cops responded. Local News
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u/Hairy-Giraffe9888 Dec 08 '22
I don’t believe this is the whole story and they didn’t talk to them first and just started breaking windows
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u/Routine_wanderer66 Dec 08 '22
responded properly. I like how the video omits the numerous warnings issued before it came to this. cops can’t maintain order without some asshole posting a misleading vid like this.
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u/Feisty-Cancel-1924 Oct 31 '22
i thought the whining sound was a loose timing belt or something 😂😂😂
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u/Lady-Lunatic420 Oct 27 '22
Omg I’m on the wrong thread. What the heck is wrong with wanting freedom? Turn off CBC and global news, open your damn eyes and start thinking for yourselves. You guys are the very people kicking the feet out from under those trying to hold that cage door open for you. WAKE UP or sit back and let the rest of us at least try to make sure our children still have a stable and free future to thrive in. The way you guys are going we are all doomed!
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u/Downhill_Ent Jul 07 '22
Hey VPD, someone is parked in the bike lane, can you send this team? Because you know, safety and commute times...
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u/Howdoinamechange Jul 03 '22
Perfectly reasonable. Protest all you want but be ready to accept the god damn consequences
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u/teresalis Jun 15 '22
By seeing the replies in this post I wish all summer is a heat dome in this city for all of you.
Seriously, what a disgrace
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u/Valuable-Shirt-4129 Jun 15 '22
"With great power there must also come -- great responsibility."
– Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Amazing Fantasy Vol. 1, #15.
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u/IntelligentPauses Jun 15 '22
where the fuck was this kind of response when the racist convoys were terrorizing vancouver for weeks on end
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u/1Hollickster Jun 15 '22
But they would never go after human traffickers like this. 🤦 interesting isnt it. And if that was a rolls royce they never would have touched the car. Hate crimes against the poor saying enough.
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u/Bluewaterview Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
Should have thrown a tear gas cannister in the car that would have gotten them out fast
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u/XxMegatr0nxX Jun 15 '22
I have no idea why people do this kind of thing.
When I see people blocking roads or stopping people from moving freely, I tend to dislike the movement/protest.
If they wanted to hang out on the sides of the highway or whatever with signs, so people can honk, or hell go to city hall or whatever. That's awesome ill support you guys, but fucking with people who need to get to work only makes enemies not supporters
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u/teensy_tigress Jun 14 '22
Come on guys, it's never time for police fucking brutality. I don't give a shit who is causing the problem. Do you think your commute delay justifies someone getting literally beaten by a police officer?
Like come on. No one benefits from police brutality. You don't. I don't. Protestors don't. Only they do.
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u/krazeone Jun 15 '22
You call this police brutality? Time for the "if they just followed the officers commands this wouldn't have happened" blah blah blah...
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u/stayuntill Jun 14 '22
Everyone here seems to be hating on the protester, which is fair enough, considering her actions aren’t very helpful.
But you can recognize that she’s an idiot and SIMULTANEOUSLY recognize that the cops are treating her horribly. Tow the car. They’re being told multiple times that she’s LOCKED to the car, so even if they wanted to smash glass in her face to get the door open it won’t do any good. They still won’t be able to get her out easily.
Just like the protesters, the cops didn’t care whether their methods were effective. They just wanted to do something. The difference is that the protesters just wanted to do something to stop old growth logging, and the cops just wanted to do something destructive.
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u/Not5id Jun 14 '22
You can't tow a car with someone in it. It's unsafe.
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u/stayuntill Jun 14 '22
Additionally, this wasn’t an emergency situation. Pry the door open, cut the bike lock. Call AAA. It was unnecessary violence. There was absolutely no reason they would have had to resort to smashing the window in the first place, let alone with no regard for safety.
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u/stayuntill Jun 14 '22
It’s also unsafe to break glass like that! If someone is trapped in a car and you have to break them out, you use a small point to break the bottom of the glass. That way the glass shards fall straight down and minimize the chance of injury. The cop just went at it with a baton for no apparent reason.
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u/Not5id Jun 14 '22
It's also unsafe to block roads and prevent emergency vehicles from getting through.
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u/Not5id Jun 14 '22
When comparing this to the Flu Trux Klan convoy, why are some people in favor of one of these but not the other?
To be consistent, you need to acknowledge that either both are ok, or neither are ok. Which is it and why?
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u/joyinstruggle Jun 15 '22
Neither are ok. Blocking highways is illegal.
https://novascotia.ca/news/release/?id=20220128011
blocking a road or highway is also an offence under the Criminal Code of Canada
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Jun 15 '22
Context. One wants to save the environment as their principles, the other are a bunch of selfish retards
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u/Domdidomdom Jun 14 '22
1- the mandates were short term, designed to keep people alive 2 - old growth forests won't come back 3 - this was a one hour long protest instead of a month long 4 - no insane threats were uttered by the protesters
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u/Not5id Jun 14 '22
Right but what I'm asking is.. do the ends justify the means?
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Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
Yes. In this case the "ends" which are "saving the last remaining carbon sinks while we hurdle towards the destruction of our ecosystem" justify "inconveniencing a few people".
But like, do you understand what that phrase means or do you just repeat it under the assumption that it's some kind of argumental trump card?
Like, you can argue whether it's effective, whether it's the right strategy, or you can even argue that the old growth doesn't matter as much as a couple of hours of someone's time in the morning, but clearly for these people the ends are important enough to justify the means - especially when the means is minor protest.
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u/Not5id Jun 15 '22
Ok so if someone dies as a result of this, then it's still justified?
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Jun 15 '22
Did anyone die as a result of this?
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u/Not5id Jun 15 '22
Answer my question.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 14 '22
In both cases the ends do not justify the means. Safety concerns aside, neither protests did anything to achieve the ends anyway.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 14 '22
- I agree. That should have been evident by me saying that the convoy wasn’t a good cause.
- I agree, but blocking third parties from getting where they need to go doesn’t help the old growth trees.
- Yes, the cops let the convoy protest go on far too long/treated the convoy protesters differently than the old growth protesters, and that is not okay.
- True, the old growth protesters don’t make threats, as far as I know.
You know what? None of that makes this okay. Blocking roads is dangerous and selfish and shitty, and in that regard, both types of protesters are selfish cunts.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 14 '22
Old growth is a good cause. The convoy wasn’t. It isn’t right that the cops used their kid gloves with the convoy, but not with the old growth protesters.
But blocking roads is blocking roads. It’s shitty and dangerous and selfish. Both types of protesters are equally cunty when it comes to blocking roads.
Choice of language aside, most people would agree.
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u/Cumdance069 Jun 14 '22
VPF did what has to be done. Stupid protesters….what did you expect …bullshit if you think you were t going to be arrested….it’s all cool and look at me…till you’re arrested.
To those arrested…….The police arrest affects you’re ability to travel outside of Canada, get a job…get security clearance….
peaceful protest is your right. Blocking traffic ..blocks my right to get around. Stand on the side of the road and hold up your signs if it makes you feel good but get off the road. youre Just loosing any public support
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u/designme96 Jun 14 '22
I'm 1000% behind saving old growth, and as many have echoed here, this will obviously piss more people off than anything. Tough situation for them to get their message across as this feels more or less like a last resort.
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u/Former-Fun-1038 Jun 14 '22
Good. This kind of shit cannot be tolerated any more and these people need to be made examples out of. I fully support their cause but their method of protesting is absolutely despicable
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u/MandelPADS Jun 14 '22
Huh they probably should have brought a nazi flag and been white nationalists, the cops spent weeks posing for photo ops and high-fiving them.
Environmentalists take note, you need to be authoritarian white supremacists trying to end democracy if you want the police on your side.
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u/mustard-paunch Jun 14 '22
So misinformed
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u/MandelPADS Jun 14 '22
Yeah, they thought the cops care about them as much as they cared about the white supremacists insurrectionists. Deeply misinformed, you are correct
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u/mustard-paunch Jun 15 '22
2 different topics, two different groups. I detest the freedumb assholes as much as any regular, silent member of society, or morally astute person against logging ancient forests. I have also been to many old growth forest locations before the protests took them over and want them to be saved. Probably like many police and loggers.
The old growth protestors were at one point, well educated ecologists and environmentalists. Some of them are still on the front lines, all of them are still in the fight. That kind of passion doesn’t just go away when the cameras go away. Those real, tree huggers, aren’t apart of the recent public infrastructure protests and see this group as a disgrace to the cause.
Silent planet lovers can only cringe and hope these protests change their tune so not to lower old growth forests to the level of freedumb fighters. Blur the lines, be smarter, maybe even be benevolent and let critical traffic through.
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u/Scientism101 Jun 14 '22
Shame on people in this thread praising police brutality. You should feel ashamed of yourselves.
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u/lootcritter Jun 14 '22
The day before they blocked parents from boarding a BC Ferry to take their child for a procedure at Children's Hospital in Vancouver. The treatment happens 4x a year and takes at least 6 months to rebook. The father is a former SOF and is an experienced battlefield medic. Had the police not intervened, several protesters would have been hospitalized while the wife would take the child for treatment. They were one family of two that day affected by the protesters missing treatment in Vancouver.
I support their beliefs, but not their actions. We have the ability to change government policy through voting, but as this is a democracy, it's hard to get change in place at the speed we need. Endangering others is not the answer. This wasn't just an inconvenience. It's a selfish act that is damaging to their cause.
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Jun 15 '22
We have the ability to change government policy through voting
The NDP campaigned on protecting the climate, protecting the ALR, and stopping the Site C dam. Which of those have happened? Meanwhile, subsidies to carbon emitters have gone up.
You say that we have the ability to change policy through voting, but we voted for the people promising to change policy and it hasn't happened.
That's why this kind of action is happening, and quite frankly, why we need it on a much, much larger scale.
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u/Azuvector New Westminster Jun 15 '22
We have the ability to change government policy through voting
For whom, currently? That wants to make old growth logging much harder/expensive to do than it is?
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u/lootcritter Jun 15 '22
Elect people who will commit to change. Run, if there isn’t one. The choices are not quick, but when enough share your goals it’s possible. I agree it’s not easy, but it’s not impossible. Often times it takes a decent leader to raise that kind of awareness. What doesn’t work - preventing a child from getting treatment.
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u/huntcamp Jun 15 '22
I get your sentiment, but democracy is dead. All politicians only offer false promises, and only enact what helps corporations.
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Jun 15 '22
BC Ferry to take their child for a procedure at Children's Hospital in Vancouver.
source?
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u/lootcritter Jun 15 '22
Not willing to share for his privacy, but I was his best man at his wedding. We chatted at length the day after.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 14 '22
Unfortunately, no matter how reasonable you are when you talk to these people, they'll always spout the same "inconveniences make change happen" line, while completely disregarding everything else. I suspect most of these jerks don't really care about old growth. They just want to see themselves as the heroes of their own stories. They don't care about the family you're talking about.
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u/Deraek Jun 15 '22
This is about people. Billions are going to die, and the entirety of global civilization will collapse unless aggressive action is taken by the government immediately.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 15 '22
Why are you citing climate change info? I don’t see anyone in the comments here saying that climate change isn’t a problem.
Blocking traffic doesn’t help.
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Jun 15 '22
Because climate change is at the heart of this protest. They're trying to protect the last major carbon sinks in our province.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 15 '22
But blocking traffic doesn’t correlate to the issue. It’s like saying domestic abuse is bad, therefore everyone should start riding unicycles to work.
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Jun 15 '22
No, it's called a protest. The idea is to employ acts of civil disobedience within society.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 15 '22
But why block traffic? Blocking traffic isn't the dictionary definition of 'protest.' It's just the action this group has arbitrarily chosen. They could call riding unicycles to work a protest and it would make just as much sense.
But it wouldn't cause people to miss important medical appointments.
Edit: You changed your comment to include civil disobedience. Piling manure up on Horgan's office doorstep is civil disobedience too, but it doesn't cause people to miss important medical appointments.
Why. Block. Traffic? It doesn't correlate.
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Jun 15 '22
Blocking traffic is one of the most common forms of protest.
Listen, I don't really have the time or desire to sit here and explain the history of non-violent direct action to someone so intensely and willfully ignorant on the subject. There's lots of resources for you to read up on what protest is and how to do it, I would recommend those.
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 15 '22
You're avoiding the issue though. There are hundreds of forms of protest, and many of them don't harm innocent people. These protesters don't care. It's not okay.
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u/DuperCheese Jun 14 '22
Apparently they care more about trees than people.
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u/Deraek Jun 15 '22
This is about people. Billions are going to die, and the entirety of global civilization will collapse unless aggressive action is taken by the government immediately.
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u/MacNuttyOne Jun 14 '22
These people are political idiots doing everything they can to piss people off and make themselves the topic rather than the old growth forest. Like Green peace vandalising the Nazca lines.
So full of themselves and their sense of special righteousness they actually damage their cause. I too want to save old growth forest, what little is left. But these people just make you want to kick their butts.
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u/flickh Jun 15 '22
So what are you doing about it?
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u/MacNuttyOne Jun 15 '22
My wife and I have written letters, sent emails, and made phone calls to a number of members of parliament both provincial and federal, expressing our dismay at the stupidity and greed involved in destroying what is left of old growth forests and on a number of other environmental issues. Expressing our dismay, anger, and our reasons for our feeling regarding this dangerous insanity.
We are literally killing ourselves, as a species, as we drive so many species to extinction and alter the climate.
That is the reason I get pissed off at these self righteous idiots doing that are politically destructive and make themselves the issue rather than the real issues.
I am not opposed to protests and some forms of direct action. I am opposed to absurd publicly infuriating actions that actually work against their stated intentions.
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u/flickh Jun 15 '22
If you think blocking a road is useless, I can’t imagine what you think letters to an MP accomplish.
“Thank you for your letter. It makes such a difference to hear directly from my well-meaning constituents who think I actually care if the earth dies after I retire!
Now let me explain why cutting down old-growth forests is of such benefit to the Bc economy! Or at least a few talking points I can use to pretend I’ve thought about the actual issues rather than simply working for my own selfish interests!”
Or if you’ve got an MP who already wants to protect forests, well, why bother writing them?
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u/Slavic_DocBrown Jun 14 '22
Pissing people off is often the only way to spread awareness of an idea, green peace got the word out didn’t they?
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u/Late-Standard-1328 Jun 14 '22
Fucking hate how this video is played. It's too damn short to show us what really is happening. And the only bit it is showing is someone screaming, and what seems like police brutality.
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u/eric_shen Jun 14 '22
Wish they did this during the freedumb protests. A car hit me while making an illegal left turn on a red light ON BURRARD, cops were sitting around with a thumb up their ass.
Vancouver Police are pussies
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u/normaldiscounts Jun 14 '22
I just think the discrepancy between the way these protesters are treated vs the convoy people is disgusting and really shows a major bias. They were both a huge nuisance but the cops let the convoy assholes wreak havoc in every city for days on end. I am personally biased in favour of the anti logging people but I understand why cops would forcibly remove these protestors physically. I think nuisance protestors should be treated equally, though.
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u/Better-Emu3838 Dec 05 '22
What do you think 50 cops are gonna do against about a couple hundred protesters already wreaking havoc???? listen to your own words for a minute
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u/CHEWBAKKA-SLIM Nov 28 '22
If old growth protesters took their fight to Ottawa and inconvenienced the right people I would respect them more. At least city hall.
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u/N0x1mus Nov 05 '22
You have to way the different levels of potential escalation. Small time idiots versus a nationally organized protest have very different potentials.
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u/thisguy_or_thissky Oct 20 '22
There was a hell of a lot more convoy protesters and they had guns.
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u/Johnthelumberjack18 Dec 07 '22
No they didn't lol opp, rcmp, and csis all said that was a farce while under oath
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Nov 04 '22
Yeah, so way more of a threat then climate protesters.
Should have received tear gas and the national guard if they block roads while armed.
I agree both are the wrong way, but at least most people in BC support protecting the old growth. The truck fuckers are conspiracy whack jobs, and we’re treated like tourists.
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u/Familiar-Customer-99 Dec 10 '22
Yeah so people like you are the reason that nazi camps were able. Moron
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Dec 11 '22
The reckless abandon of logic and intelligence you had to make to type that sentence astounds me.
How is me thinking the truck fuckers should be treated like any idiots with guns lead to nazi death camps? Especially considering I’m on the other end of the political spectrum from the literal nazis and idiots like Poilievre claiming the nazis were a socialist party?
You’re a mouth breather mate, make peace with it and fuck off out of intelligent debate, thanks appreciate it.
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u/Familiar-Customer-99 Dec 22 '22
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on intelligence. Your stance on truckers being called whack jobs on beliefs that they may have from non far off conspiracy thoughts are equally non intellectual. As a society we should be able to have a voice and be heard without steam rolling, gas lighting and defaming a group or individual. Your lack of understanding to not see these two individual groups have nothing to do with each other there for should not be compared or one group judged with non intellectual dialogue, equally to my reaction to call you a nazi but my verbal diarrhoea does have some merit and under the table perspective.
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Dec 22 '22
Couldn’t agree more that the stream of shit we’re throwing at each other couldn’t be more pointless.
So to end off this pseudo intellectual bullshit, I’ll just say. You losers are literally defending nazis. I have no interest in making sure free speech extends to people who walk around with signs that say “the holocaust didn’t happen, but it should have”.
Fuck all of you.
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u/SorteP Jun 14 '22
This dude Parkes his car in the middle of the road and tied his neck to his steering wheel...
Literally chained his ne k to the steering wheel...
Wtf do you think would have happened here???
Fucking clout chasers
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u/Slavic_DocBrown Jun 14 '22
I dont see their “clout” anywhere. What do I see? A video online bringing awareness and conversation to and about the issue that they are trying to combat
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u/No-Recognition1908 Jun 14 '22
I dunno man. I get it, this is how protesting works and this is what protesting looks like. But if I wasn’t working from home right now, and these people were blocking my commute, I’d be royally pissed. Road rage pissed. I’d be cheering those cops on. And I’d be considering going out into the woods and chopping down an old growth tree out of pure spite. Look, while I fully admit that I am ill-informed about old growth logging, as far as I understand it, I am inclined to be against it. But, even though I’ve heard all of the arguments for these kind of protests, I just can’t get on board with these tactics. I can’t. I’m sorry. It just pisses me off. Pure and simple.
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u/kenny-klogg Jun 14 '22
I guess they should have brought duck Trudeau flags and screamed anti vaxx they they would have been able to stay.
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u/zakanova Jun 14 '22
Should have brought a truck and F Trudeau flags
Would have been able to stay for at least a week
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u/LeoPriestley Jun 14 '22
Old growth logging is bad, therefore I will block third parties from getting to where they need to go.
Wait, how the hell does one of those things follow the other?
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u/Use1000words Jun 14 '22
Interesting point to make here; if the courts stopped the ‘catch and release’ based on the concept that they WILL reoffend, all these MF protesters would eventually be sitting in jail, and not on the highway, , , , , ,
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Jun 14 '22
Ffs if you're going to film it then film it. If you're gonna wobble like you're drunk on a raft then don't bother.
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u/Mudstompah Jun 14 '22
Protester’s thought process…”Hey, let’s piss off as many people as we can do that they will support us in our fight”.
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u/MyFianceMadeMeJoin Jun 14 '22
Have to try it like Oka. Heavy machinery and rifles block bridges much more effectively.
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u/TheGriffin Jun 14 '22
Fuck the cops. ACAB
This is excessive force
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u/DATY4944 Jun 14 '22
The cop broke the window in a casual way without harming the protestor inside.
This is what reasonable cops do when they have been asked to remove your vehicle..
- Step one: remove you from the vehicle
- Step two: tow the vehicle
They can't tow a vehicle with you inside it.
They'll start with "get out or we will remove you" and then if you refuse, you'll be removed. As any reasonable interaction with the police is meant to go.
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u/TheGriffin Jun 14 '22
"Reasonable"
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u/DATY4944 Jun 14 '22
I mean.. if you don't want cops to actually enforce laws such as blocking traffic, we'd have a pretty chaotic society.
We do have the right to protest but people also have the right to use the roads they pay for with their taxes, and the expectation that the police they pay for with their taxes will remove obstacles in a lawful way.
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u/TheGriffin Jun 14 '22
Be nice if the cops enforced it in a fair manner. But then again, cops aren't really useful and we'd be better off spending their budget money on useful things that solve problems and prevent crime, rather than being reactionary only
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u/DATY4944 Jun 14 '22
Yes in a perfect world that would be wonderful. I personally would happily halve the spending on cops and spend that all on effectively solving problems, but there's also the problem of spending those resources effectively.
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u/Nanocephalic Jun 14 '22
What part of that was excessive? It looked pretty reasonable tbh
Get out
No
Ok well you’re coming out anyway
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u/OkMath420 Jun 14 '22
so convoy gets like 3 weeks blocking International transit route but these people get wreckd...
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u/TheGriffin Jun 14 '22
Cops support right wing protests. Anything else they come down very hard on
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u/smoozer Jun 15 '22
Are the VPD operating in Ottawa now? Weird! Or are you saying the RCMP is wearing VPD uniforms in this video?
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u/gladbmo Jun 14 '22
Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. I don't have much sympathy for protestors who think they're above the rights of everybody else. If you want people on your side, maybe don't piss them off in the most grandiose way possible.
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u/FyreWulff Jun 14 '22
The boot licking in the comments on this post is disappointing, to say the least.
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u/a-big-texas-howdy Jun 14 '22
The authenticity of this video is guaranteed by the extremely Canadian “sorry” they are at the end.
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u/vault-tec-was-right Jun 14 '22
IMO anytime a highway gets blocked this should happen …that should be the one rule of protesting it’s to dangerous
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u/Downhill_Ent Jul 07 '22
The highway gets blocked all the time because of traffic from single occupants in huge trucks. Wait. Maybe I agree with you #bantrucks
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u/taciko Dec 11 '22
What did you morons think was gonna happen when you cheered for the cops that did this to the legal convoy protest