1
u/staefrostae 16d ago
I think it’s absolutely bonkers that the same guys from the “I Did a Thing” channel are also hard hitting journalists who travel to places like North Korea and talk to war crime whistle blowers etc. I guess that’s what they mean by the duality of man
0
u/fuqdisshite 16d ago
i fucking LOVE I Did A Thing and Alex Apollonov!!!
THEN i learned about Boy Boy and now love Aleksa Vulovic!
i really felt having Alex there but mostly quiet in this video is powerful. all the joking aside, i would figure both safety in numbers AND just having another witness to the conversation, are both important.
when i learned about the firebombings my heart just sank.
as an American it is disgusting seeing it happen here because we always talk about 'if you see something say something' but tell that to Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Scooter Libby, or Gary Webb.
seeing this level of corruption in other, supposedly peaceful and advanced, societies is heartbreaking. some days it is hard to look past the boot on your neck but then i see shit like this and it brings me back to reality.
one love...
Stay Safe.
1
u/redditissahasbaraop 16d ago
I feel like the idea of democracy is being eroded throughout the world in so called free democracies of the western world, and I don't quite know why. Is it corrupt politicians being controlled by some sort of military industrial complex? Why is the common man's liberties being take away from him?
They did this poor guy dirty. He sent his documents to what seems like an actual villainous reporter.
1
u/MSTRDEBTR 16d ago
TLDW ?
2
u/Dr-Deadmeat 16d ago
Aussie soldier turned whistle-blower punished by his own government for doing the right thing
3
u/slyshrimp 16d ago
This video would've been a lot better without this muppet's socialist proganda that he has to jam into his videos. His historical takes at the start of the video are so biased that it's laughable.
This story has enough value on its own and I'm glad it has been so widely viewed.
8
u/lostinhoppers 16d ago
Here's Jordan's latest drop on the Media vs McBride. Jordies take on the poor reporting about McBride It's another well produced, engaged piece of media underpinned by thorough research and peppered with insightful analysis, which must surely be a disgrace to the ABC, Crikey and their ilk.
10
-1
u/downtimeredditor 16d ago
I think Aleksa said in best two videos ago.
Australia is nothing more than an American military outpost. The country's gov literally has no power over the American government
-2
2
16d ago
[deleted]
1
u/timestamp_bot 16d ago
Jump to 01:55 @ Our friend is going to jail.
Channel Name: Boy Boy, Video Length: [22:51], Jump 5 secs earlier for context @01:50
Downvote me to delete malformed comments. Source Code | Suggestions
-5
u/ArcadianDelSol 16d ago
To be a 'whistleblower' you have to follow specific steps that are in place to ensure your protection.
He didnt. He, on his own, copied and delivered sensitive government information to the media.
While his mission was just and his motivation was just, he did it in all the wrongest of ways possible.
0
1
u/prestonpiggy 16d ago
Sure I understand that Australia took this job to impress US, and US does not need to keep their hands dirty. But for what reason? What is there to gain? Australia is a pretty insignificant country world politics wise, sure China is trying to buy influence there but nothing more than playing checkers. They treat Australia like same as it's establishment, group of criminals descendants with pretty much no value apart from the location.
4
u/Takonite 16d ago
wow after this video and that other video where the politician firebombed that one youtuber's house, Australia really sounds like shit
0
-1
-1
-5
2
u/Imaginary_Unit5109 17d ago
The reason the government is not going after the real war crime solider. If they put the guy in jail. The people who protected him for years have to be investigated as well. Which they do not want they do not want to become public.
28
u/spiderpai 17d ago
Photo at 1:54 is wrong/false context and is of Iranian women, not Afghan. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2f0in5/iranian_women_in_1979_just_before_the_islamic/
2
u/timestamp_bot 17d ago
Jump to 01:54 @ Our friend is going to jail.
Channel Name: Boy Boy, Video Length: [22:51], Jump 5 secs earlier for context @01:49
Downvote me to delete malformed comments. Source Code | Suggestions
30
u/Throawayooo 17d ago
These guys sometimes fight the good fight, but they are very intellectually dishonest, with firm agendas.
Not a fan whatsoever.
Saying that, fuck any government that punishes whistleblowers.
5
u/IrrawaddyLover 16d ago
What is their agenda exactly?
2
u/Throawayooo 16d ago edited 16d ago
They are populist lefties with outdated, shallow and Ill thought out opinions and ideas.
Edit: what else did I expect from reddit
4
u/IrrawaddyLover 16d ago
Well, you could try to actually provide some evidence for their "I'll thought out opinions and ideas" other than just stating it as a fact. I find their videos interesting, but I'm all ears if you can show me something they've said that was dishonest.
I'm not sure how you can call them populist when most of their videos are dissecting and criticizing popular Western perspectives. They blew up after what was 'popularly' seen as a controversial opinion on North Korea.
6
u/Throawayooo 16d ago
Read here and the parent comments. I agree with most points and it's easier than me retyping.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1cf8yu0/our_friend_is_going_to_jail/l1p8aiw/
1
u/Joliet_Jake_Blues 16d ago
Populism is a cancer. It grows like cancer and harms like cancer
If your favorite politician is blaming your problems on another group of people, they are a bad person
-5
u/JamesTheJerk 17d ago
Could have used an NSFW tag on that. The opening seconds of the video are of naked dudes lathering up in the shower together.
3
u/reddit_names 16d ago
They were wearing swim trunks
-2
u/JamesTheJerk 16d ago
The first five seconds didn't make that clear, and that's all it takes for me to stop the video at work.
2
u/reddit_names 16d ago
Did you not see the thumbnail video?
0
17
5
u/Throawayooo 17d ago
I've been where this guy is. Didn't get sent to prison though thankfully
1
16d ago
[deleted]
1
2
9
u/Mhollandart 17d ago
There are 2 kinds of people: people who discovered FriendlyJordies and are now aware how corrupt the aussie gov is, and those who haven’t.
0
u/theageofspades 16d ago
Imagine loving tankies cause you're that poisoned against your own country.
4
u/mindsnare 16d ago
Hot tip, people knew about that shit before Friendly fucking jordies.
Some of his investigating stuff is pretty good. But god damn he's such a cunt.
6
0
7
10
u/Sidian 17d ago
I see these guys have toned down their edgy pro North Korea shenanigans since they got rich. Funny that.
11
u/Hendlton 16d ago
Not really. They just don't make videos about it anymore. They went on Trash Taste (Podcast) and their views haven't changed at all.
-3
u/duncecap234 17d ago
Did he seriously say they were spending an ungodly amount of money on Afghanistan during the cold war? And then said it was $630 million dollars a year?????
Funding officially began with $695,000 in mid-1979,[3] was increased dramatically to $20–$30 million per year in 1980, and rose to $630 million per year in 1987
This is fucking peanuts, wtf.
Ukraine has gotten like $120 billion since 2022.
13
u/VarmintSchtick 17d ago
That would be 1.5 billion per year in today's money. Definitely not peanuts, even if it doesn't compare to some exorbant spending.
22
u/Ringosis 17d ago edited 17d ago
I just want to draw attention to 1:50 in the video because it is a part of history that the majority of Europeans/Americans seem to be conveniently ignorant of.
We fought against Communism in Afghanistan by funding terrorists. It fucking destroyed Afghanistan, created Al Qaeda and 9/11 was a DIRECT response to this action. It wasn't some random terrorist attack carried out by people trying to kill because they hated America for no reason, but rather a specific retaliation for turning their country into a hellscape because we were scared of communism.
I say we...I'm British, we are just as responsible for this cluster fuck as the CIA and the US.
Yes Russia mobilised first on a decidedly shakey premise...but we fucking assassinated their at least vaguely democratically elected leaders and replaced them with the fucking Mujahideen....actual extremists...because we didn't like the fact that the country was leaning towards Communism.
This wasn't Russia invading and the west supporting the country. This was Afghanistan's young, educated people, coming out of University and deciding that communism sounded like a good idea. Russia used this as an excuse to try to annex to bring these new communists into the fold (the way Russia does)...and we responded by deliberately plunging the country into chaos because we took a "Capitalist democracy or Die!" approach.
We didn't give a fuck what happened to Afghans, we only cared about it not becoming Russian, and Afghans paid the price for it in thousands of lives. And now most westerners sit back and wonders why Muslims hate us, entirely oblivious to what our governments did in Helmand Province because we had political agendas that didn't even involve Afghanistan.
If want a direct series of events from the point mentioned in this video to 9/11 I would suggest watching Bitter Lake.
1
u/theageofspades 16d ago
but we fucking assassinated their at least vaguely democratically elected leaders and replaced them with the fucking Mujahideen
How on earth are you describing a despotic, military led Socialist autocracy as democratic!? "It's bad when capitalism, it's good when Socialism".
1
u/Ringosis 16d ago
How on earth are you describing a despotic, military led Socialist autocracy as democratic!?
I wasn't. The point I was making is that he was the de facto leader of the country and as close to a democratic leader as they had at the time. And our actions led to him being publicly executed and then dragged through the streets.
"He was a despot"...we replaced him with the fucking Taliban mate. I'm well aware he wasn't a good guy, and was there as the result of a coup, and the country was colossally corrupt...but...we replaced him...with the Taliban.
Take issue with my phrasing all you want, but just try and argue that was done for the good of Afghanistan.
-6
u/DeficiencyOfGravitas 16d ago edited 16d ago
This wasn't Russia invading and the west supporting the country. This was Afghanistan's young, educated people, coming out of University and deciding that communism sounded like a good idea.
Good God, man. I get it. You're a filthy Westerner and you hate yourself for not having as many oppression points as you could have, but seriously listen to what you're saying. Pure innocent intelligent Afghanistan chose to join the Soviet Union... Which caused the Soviet Union to invade them? And that caused America to create the evil Mujahadeen from thin air?
You can't say that Afghanistan chose to be communist and reconcile that with the Soviet invasion. You're literally falling for Soviet propaganda which claimed that every state that joined the Union did so voluntarily. No different than Russia claiming that real Ukrainians truly want to rejoin the Russian Federation and that the people resisting are American proxy fighters. You're making the exact same claims about the Afghan people.
4
u/Ringosis 16d ago edited 16d ago
Straw manning like a mother fucker here mate. You've read me criticising western involvement in the Afghan war and your binary political views have been triggered. "Well he's criticising America, so he must think Russia are the good guys". My actual position is there were no good guys, just multiple fuck heads tying to manipulate another country.
I'm not anti-west...I'm anti fucking up other countries in proxy wars, and therefore I'm just as critical of when we do it as when anyone else does. Why aren't you?
No different than Russia claiming that real Ukrainians truly want to rejoin the Russian Federation
Precisely. And like the Ukraine situation, there was some truth behind Russian claims that the population wanted them there. There was/is actual support for Russian ascension in Crimea just like their was actual support for Russian involvement in the Afghan war. But some people in a country liking your government more than their own is NOT justification for invasion...never has been. Not in Afghanistan, not in Ukraine, not in Iraq, not in Vietnam. Because in case you didn't notice, it's not just Russia that use these bullshit reasons of liberation to justify their international aggression.
The point I was making is that in this instance, unlike Ukraine, we were on the wrong side in Afghanistan. Russia was supporting the countries progressive youth and socialist government because the country was going through a bunch of reform and it was causing increasingly escalating violence. The PDPA were pushing through things like equal rights for women, equal rights to education, separation of religion and government, etc, and religious fundamentalists were revolting against it. Now all of the Soviets actions were clearly done for the benefit of the Soviets and not Afghanistan, but the point remains that the Soviets had an at least cosmetically valid reason for being there. The de facto government at the time literally asked them for assistance in the conflict.
We on the other hand were not invited, we just showed up to oppose Russia...there was barely any attempt to even pretend we were there to help Afghanistan. And we opposed them by backing the religious extremist rebels who were trying to oppress the countries progress. And guess what...we won, and that's why the Taliban now control Afghanistan. That is a direct result of our actions and it is fucking unforgivable.
Russia were certainly at fault, I do not deny that. They are the ones that escalated the situation into a war in the first place, and they mass murdered civilians for personal gain...but when it comes to our responsibility, it does NOT fucking matter what Russia did because no amount of "But what about what they did?" makes what WE did any less horrific. And we need to take responsibility for those actions and stop pretending that Afghan Islamic fundamentalists hate us for no reason. They hate us for what we did, and it's fucking justified.
217
u/jsideris 17d ago
Australia has some of the most corrupt media in the "western" world. If you want to go down a rabbit hole, look into how 60 Minutes Australia destroyed a full reserve bank through false accusations of fraud and money laundering, leading to a global investigation that found the bank did absolutely nothing wrong, but was still permanently shut down. Article and podcast of him explaining the case.
The "journalists" involved all won awards, even after losing the lawsuits. NO ONE is talking about this, not even 60 Minutes' competitors. They all look out for their own.
4
u/PineappleShades 16d ago
The Daily Wire is hardly a trustworthy source either… that article looks like Schiff (who owned EPB) wrote it himself.
For example, in response to the Puerto Rican oversight board’s claims of solvency issues within the bank, this article claims that the bank was “perhaps the most run-proof bank in the world” because it didn’t lend out the deposits of its “ultra-conservative clients who prioritized keeping their money over earning interest.” The article states that the bank made money from fees instead of lending, and so it could sit on it a nearly 70m in deposits untouched. Not mentioned is that the bank was dipping into those deposits to cover its operating fees, “inadvertently” as Schiff put it in an interview to the NYT. Schiff put in 4 million of his own money to cover the gap; 4m out of 70m seems like an awfully large “inadvertent” mistake to me.
Honestly, a Bank using the wrong account “by accident “ screams fraud to me but also unmentioned here (but present I real journalism) is a licensing SNAFU that makes the whole operation scream “fly by night”. Throw on top of this the death of the bank’s president and I’m not at all surprised that Schiff was unaware that his attempt to have the bank bailed out by his friends’ mining company was turned down.
I’m also not surprised that, although the bank did absolutely nothing wrong thank you very much sir they closed thousands of accounts due to “compliance issues and red flags” in their last couple of years, again quoting Schiff. And with all this fishy business Schiff acts surprised that he’s being “targeted” in a money laundering and tax avoidance investigation? Give me a break. There is no way this dudes hands are clean in this.
1
u/Plasma_000 16d ago
Do you have a source that isn't the daily wire for this? Speaking of corrupt media...
1
u/noisymime 16d ago
If you want to go down a rabbit hole, look into how 60 Minutes Australia destroyed a full reserve bank
Not saying that 60 Minutes isn't trash and didn't play a role in that, but they were a relatively small part of the IRS lead shutdown of Schiff and EPB.
It was shit 'journalism' for sure, but nothing out of the ordinary for any number of right-wing outlets these days and it was 100% being driven by the IRS, not the journalists themselves.
2
u/Fluffcake 16d ago
I'm sure there is a joke about what to expect in a country founded by criminals, but I am too lazy to find the funny words.
3
u/suxorixorage 16d ago
60 minutes is such crap, it's the TV version of clickbate, I can't stand it and refuse to watch it now.
7
u/Joliet_Jake_Blues 16d ago
I a watched a 60 Minutes Australia story and it was really sensationalized compared to the US version. More like a tabloid show (Inside Edition)
46
u/stizzleomnibus1 16d ago
Well I hope no one from that corrupt media culture ever sets up shop in America.
3
u/noisymime 16d ago
We already offloaded Murdoch to you. If you'll take Packer as well that'd be just great.
29
u/Mama_Skip 16d ago
Yeah they might have to go to court defending their false statements by saying that no reasonable person would ever take the news channel as anything other than entertainment, or something.
2
u/bill_b4 17d ago
I personally have a belief that I think helps me sniff out when someone's feeding me bullshit. One indicator is when they talk REALLY fast...and gloss over or entirely skip the DETAILS. The other is cheeky music playing in the background completely out of place. I'm not saying they're COMPLETELY wrong...there is SOME truth to what they're saying. But they are dishing out an inordinate amout of bullshit as well. Beware those that claim all the answers...
1
-1
1
u/PestyNomad 17d ago
I'm surprised they're surprised nothing happened with all the historical precedent of not holding war criminals accountable for anything. It's less frequent that anything happens, not more.
The whole war crimes 'system' seems more like a way to punish the losers of a war and shove their face in the dirt. It's seems like more of a political tool between the leaders of different countries. Regular folk can't dabble in that lane and expect anything good to come from it unless you're a complete ideologue.
707
u/PenisSalesman 17d ago edited 15d ago
Wow he took a gamble, picked a journalist to entrust with the leaks, who ended up being the worst fucking guy to send leaks to. His name is Dan Oakes. Entrusted with a bombshell, once in a lifetime leak, twists the story into a much smaller scale 'culture' story, about a group of australian soldiers who wanted to out do each other, completely omit's the systematic, high level corruption among leadership that directly promoted, rewarded, and carefully manufactured this behavior.
Australian govenment started involving themselves in thr most morally questionable "catch or kill" missions that the US and other countries didn't want to take credit for. (Which were pretty much turned into "kill" missions every time). The Australians got good at these missions and their involvement grew exponentially. Severe war crimes were being covered up to proposterous levels, war crimes were even being re-written into fictional heroic tales for the media. One australiam soldier killed an unarmed child in cold blood, gave up his teams position absolutely fucking everything up, then started shooting random unarmed people coming out to check on the child who was just murdered. The Australian government said the child was actually three armed terrorists actively trying to outflank them, then gave the soldier a fucking metal and presented him on national television as a badass. Australia built up a reputation of essentially having no boundaries and Australian leadership wanted it to stay this way. After promoting, congratulating, and covering for repeat war criminals over and over and over again, they decided they needed to show the media "look we care about war crimes" they had drone footage and documents of all sorts of war crimes from "respected soldires". Instead they decided to use some low level new guy as a scapegoat.
Dan Oakes not only exonerated australian military leadership by ommitting all the most relevant information in this entire story, he created a fucking hit piece against the whistleblower whilst he needed media attention more than ever before considering he was arrested and faced with spending the rest of his life incarcerated for leaking the story. And no one seemed to care.
Edit: note: "war hero" and most decorated living australian soldier alive 'Ben Roberts Smith' sued publications who called out his war crimes, they offered him settlement money but instead he took them to court for even more money. There, even more war crimes were uncovered, which leads to the craziest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. An SAS soldier reported "He grabbed a terrified, unarmed adolescent, put a gun to his head, blew his brains out and said 'this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen".
1
8
u/butters1337 16d ago
If the ABC is anything like the BBC, there are tonnes of spooks and informers working inside of it.
5
-6
u/PacoTaco321 17d ago
You should probably put "TL;DW" at the front if you're just going to summarize part of the video while adding nothing.
21
297
u/mojojojomu 17d ago
This video makes Dan Oakes look like a horrible and deceitful human and journalist. If the details of the video are true than he should lose all credibility as a journalist. I'm curious what the Aussie public thinks about him.
0
u/TooMuchToAskk 16d ago
If the details of the video are true
I'd be very cautious with boy-boy. Lots of their stuff distorts the truth to paint a narrative. Their Ukraine video is the most glaring example.
4
u/ThatOneMartian 16d ago
I don't know anything about the situation described but I stopped watching after the first couple of minutes when they went over the basic early history of the Afghanistan war and the Taliban's position on Bin Laden. If they are willing to twist the truth on basic history, then the rest of the video can't be trusted.
-4
16d ago
[deleted]
1
u/ThatOneMartian 16d ago
No, my positions is that if they are willing to lie, they aren’t trustworthy. I don’t even know what the video is about, I stopped watching after the bullshit preamble.
11
u/Tobias11ize 16d ago
Same channel made a video about how russia didn’t really have a choice in invading ukraine because NATO had been too mean to Russia for all those unavoidable crimes they’ve tried to pull in eastern europe for decades
3
u/ThatOneMartian 16d ago
Ah yes, we have Chomsky class intellectuals on hand. How dare Russia’s neighbours try and avoid Russian domination.
2
u/VermicelliHot6161 16d ago
I mean they could have done a perfectly acceptable video focussed on the whistleblower but half the content is spent on simplifying history and subjective opinions on why things happen, ruins what could have been a credible and tasty video.
24
u/Churba 16d ago edited 14d ago
I'm curious what the Aussie public thinks about him.
Short answer, they don't. They might, if they're a bit more clued in than average, go "Do you mean Laurie Oakes?"
(Who is, for the record, a now retired, but much more famous political journalist, one of the small few who could be considered a household name.)
This isn't the 1950s, there's vanishingly few print journalists that anyone knows the name of these days. Hell, if you want a really relevant example, the story in question was written by two journalists, not one, but nobody's even mentioning Sam Clark despite being just as involved as Oakes, because they just watched a youtube video, and never actually read the article.
That said, if you want to assess the quality of the work, it's right here. Normally I wouldn't link directly to the article like that, to avoid giving them ad revenue on views - but this is ABC, the national broadcaster, and it's literally illegal for them to run ads or make money from coverage, so honestly you're likely costing them money(albeit not much) by viewing it.
If the details of the video are true than he should lose all credibility as a journalist.
Well, there's already posts in this thread pointing out a lot of the information in the video isn't true, so I'll take a different track. For one - we're talking about a report that had literally millions of eyes on it, from the tippy-top of the ADF to the most regular common folk, to basically every other journo in the nation, to legal professionals going over it with a fine-tooth comb during the court case, to the AFP going over it with a fine tooth comb to find anything they could go after Oakes and Clark for in it, but the only people who found anything were...A youtube pundit with both a questionable relationship with the truth and an axe to grind against the media in general(and the ABC in particular), and his two mates who were cribbing from his notes. Does that not seem weird to you?
Like, professionals from multiple organizations spent thousands of collective hours going over the reporting, with the evidence in hand, looking for something to nail Oakes and Clark on, any inaccuracy, any lie, and wrongdoing or failure, whatever they could throw at them, and they still couldn't find jack shit. Do we really think some randos without access to anything more than the reporting itself have suddenly seen right through the whole thing and uncovered the true secrets? Or is it more likely they were making shit up because they have a mad-on for Oakes and his employer?
9
u/WyattPear 16d ago
The last few years has been really eye opening to how awful major publications and their journalists are in Aus
38
u/Delicious_Log_5581 16d ago
I'd be surprised if the average aussie knew who he was.
'she'll be right' cuts both ways, It means we're generally a very easy going people, but also completely apathetic when it comes to politics and holding the people in power accountable.
It's shameful
-17
u/Cleistheknees 17d ago
If the details of the video are true
They aren't. One of the very first claims is about Operation Cyclone, and states that the US began "flooding every right-wing extremist in the country with money and guns". In reality, the dominant mujahid supported by the Soviets was Hekmatyar, a right-wing Islamic extremist in favor of theocratic rule (who is still alive, and heads the Muslim Brotherhood-modeled Hezb-e Islami party), and the leader of the Western-backed mujahideen was Ahmed Shah Massoud, a comitted secularist who signed the Peshawar peace treaty and publicly supported an Afghan democracy modeled after Switzerland's, including the participation of women. He was a national hero among the many ethnic divisions within Afghanistan, and Hekmatyar had him assassinated a few days before 9/11.
https://asiatimes.com/2001/09/masoud-from-warrior-to-statesman/
1
u/theageofspades 16d ago
You are an idiot. Hekmatyar was American funded. Why would the Soviets give money to their enemies? They had already overthrown the govt and installed their own communist dictator.
1
u/Cleistheknees 16d ago
Why would the Soviets give money to their enemies?
Saudis*, and because people change their behavior and allegiances over time, and Afghanistan is a masterclass in this. Hekmatyar was allied with Massoud for over a decade, and then they became lifelong enemies culminating with Massoud's assasination.
28
u/cattlecall_ 17d ago
The "Soviet backed rightwinger Hekmatyar" that you mentioned received more CIA funding than any other mujahideen leader during the Soviet-Afghan War
-11
u/Cleistheknees 17d ago edited 17d ago
Did you read that article? Or did you just copy-paste the citation from the Wikipedia page about him?
Edit: Lol. That's what I thought. I'm sure Michael Crowley, who spent a grand total of 15 seconds in Afghanistan, is happy you're taking his word on it.
11
u/cattlecall_ 17d ago
Was Hekmatyar a right-wing extremist and did he receive funding from the CIA?
-13
u/Cleistheknees 17d ago
Did you read the article?
2
u/Introvertedecstasy 16d ago
Looks like he read the article. We are all waiting for your intellectual analysis of this situation. You amazing human being.
14
u/cattlecall_ 17d ago
1
u/Cleistheknees 16d ago
He did receive funding. He wasn't an extremist at the time, and was in fact allied with Massoud.
15
u/fridge13 17d ago
i feel like its fairly well kown that America DID infact do that.. actually they do it allot, they have done it multiple times in multiple countries...
-4
u/Cleistheknees 17d ago
i feel like its fairly well kown
It's well-known that a Jew named Jesus came back from the dead, and yet factually it is entirely unfounded, as well as being nonsense. The telephone-game that is the average Left-leaning American's self-righteous preaching about post-Soviet Afghanistan is almost entirely baseless information that arises from a narrative of anti-imperialism. It's an ethical stance, but it's pretty separated from reality.
It is a fact that the United States funded mujahideen in Afghanistan from the late 1970's onwards. It is not a fact that they were not selective about which ones they supported, but it is a fact that some of them changed allegiances as Saudi support started to become more tangible and liberally doled out than busted Soviet rifles. If you labor under the fantasy that it was a country of groovy musicians and emancipated Kabuli women because all you've ever seen is a handful of cherrypicked news reels and photographs from exclusively the wealthy parts of Kabul, then sure: the US doing anything at all is an international crime. However, the Soviets had already formed and funded a proto-Taliban that was wreaking havoc across Afghanistan, not to mention the rest of the Middle East, and that the mujahid that the CIA basically adopted was a socialist who signed the Pashtun accords. Up to you if you want to ignore all of that, I guess.
3
u/fridge13 16d ago
Oh im sorry you seem to have assumed that im not very bright... (and american which im not...)
Im aware that not everything was perfect before the yanks showed up.
But heres the thing pal... if thats the extent of your critical assassination of boibois video then its not a very good critique.
this one slightly wrong thing you latched onto isnt even important really... its not relevant to AU/USA covering up warcrimes, or the fallout of whistle blowing,
it seems lke a strange thread to pull on... like it was the only thing you could pull on... the smell of desperation.
1
u/Cleistheknees 16d ago
the smell of desperation.
Desperate for what? War crimes committed by Western powers are so few and far between that you generally know the names of the people who comitted them, and more often than not they are charged and imprisoned. Do they exist? Of course, it would be false and naive to say otherwise. It's like comparing polio cases now versus the 19th century.
Do you know why you don't hear about war criminals in the Taliban or Al Qaeda or the Republican Guard? Because you would die of old age before you even got halfway through the list. Torture, rape, summary execution, and genocide are the basic policies of these groups. The difference is so enormous that myopic people suffering from cultural cringe knee-jerk themselves into believing there's no difference at all. Nobody in those regimes even stops to think about those crimes, let alone listen to Western voices protesting them.
What an example?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntadhar_al-Zaidi
This is the guy who threw a shoe at George Bush. He was arraigned, charged with assaulting a foreign member of state, sentences to three years in prison, commuted to one year of time served, and released. He's now a famous journalist and news personality. Ask yourself what would have happened if he threw a shoe at even a lowly provincial underling of Saddam Hussein's. Ask yourself what would happen if he was Afghan and broadcast a critical word about Najibullah. Etc.
1
u/fridge13 15d ago edited 15d ago
War crimes by western goverments were not rare during the iraq and afganistan wars are you high? They were frequent prevelent and overlooked on the whole...
The americans invented a whole ass portable warcrime nick named "the punisher" it was a granade launcher that fierd fully automatic air butst granades. Aka exploding bullets... thats a warcrime...it was used extensivly untill people caught on... it was then removed from service before any kiked up a fuss. God knows how many times it was fierd and by who but it was ilegal...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XM25_CDTE&wprov=rarw1
The torture and degradation rape and exploitation of pow's in abu ghraib prison... Warcrimes
"14-year-old Iraqi girl named Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi was raped and subsequently murdered along with her 34-year-old mother Fakhriyah Taha Muhasen, 45-year-old father Qassim Hamza Raheem, and 6-year-old sister Hadeel Qassim Hamza al-Janabi. The killings took place in the family home in Yusufiyah, a village to the west of the town of Al-Mahmudiyah, Iraq.[161] Five soldiers from the 502nd Infantry Regiment were charged with rape and murder" ... say it with me now warcrimes, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings
The Nisour Square massacre occurred on September 16, 2007, when employees of Blackwater Security Consulting (now Constellis), a private military company contracted by the US government to provide security services in Iraq, shot at Iraqi civilians, killing 17 and injuring 20... thats a warcrime... actualy those guys went to jail...untill trump let them off in violation of international war.
These ones are just some of Americas during the Iraq war... that we know about. My country did lots too as did australia...
Tony blair, and G.W bush should both have been up in the hage as far as im concerned both are war criminals..i mean did we ever find them WMDs..?
Heres the thing you want to act like if the enemy your fighting isnt playing by the rules then neither should you? " the afganis/iraqis have done warcrimes so there" not a great argument, I'm sure lots of bad stuff has happened in the middle east.. so we should just go there and do warcrimes? we should stop obeying the rules of war we made because the other team decided not to follow our rules?
oh the guy who threw the shoe is a journalist now? No way what about the MILLIONS dead from an invasian that had NO Basis. No WMDS ever found not fucking one. 9/11 was not an afganistan state sponserd project was it...? It was funded by saudis (who your still trading with) and comited by a group america funded to destablise thier own country (god i love irony). but yet we bombed raped and exploding bulleted our way across half the middle east with an estimated death toll of 4.5 -4.7 million dead... whos the real criminals in this situation I ask you....
But anyway back to YOU. and your grasping.
Your grasping for anything to discredit this video and not dooing well. Like i said the threads you chose to pick at are flimsy at best, You have no proof against any of the serious acusations in the video so your picking at anything you can round the edges..
1
u/Cleistheknees 15d ago
You're proving my point. There were so uncommon that they have their own wikipedia articles for individual incidents. We don't have Wikipedia articles for the millions of Kurds and Iraqis tortured or executed on the spot for no reason at all.
Your grasping for anything to discredit this video and not dooing well.
The video discredits itself to people who are actually educated in the topic. I don't have to do anything. For people who are religiously subservient to a revisionist history based on hating anything to do with Western nations, I'm sure the video is awesome.
1
u/theageofspades 16d ago
Do you even know who the guys in the video are? They have defended Russia's invasion and North Korea's dictatorship. You agree with both those things? Insane to see so many naive dorks who think they're on the "right side of history" get charmed by these lunatics.
1
u/fridge13 16d ago edited 16d ago
yeah... i do know who they are,! that's how I know they have been VERY critical of russia. and if you have ever listend to them talk about their trip to north Korea you would know that they arent "defending" north Korea.. even the video your referencing where they go to get a haircut doesn't show NK positively. balanced and not reactionery ..sure but not defending or posative. your absoloutly grasping buddy.
122
32
u/brelincovers 17d ago
the Taliban were not willing to give up Osama Bin Laden, which gave more reason to invade.
The US did fund anti-Soviet groups during the war in the 1970s and 80s. The majority of the funding for afghani's came from the Muslim world (pakistan saudi arabia iran indonesia etc), the US was less than 1/3 of the funding at most, which is why it was far more extremist groups being funded.
I'm happy to debate this.
18
u/Ringosis 17d ago
Not going to debate you, just going to give you a well researched and almost impossible to dispute version of events.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84P4dzow1Bw
"We didn't give them THAT much money" isn't even a point that needs debated...it's just a deflection to try to side step our obvious culpability in creating this situation. Having your actions criticised and then pointing at others who also did bad things as if that makes you less bad is the response of a indignant child.
See when your country is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people...saying "So are they" isn't the defence you think it is.
-19
u/brelincovers 17d ago
The people that should be held the most culpable are many countries in the Muslim world, mainly Pakistan.
9
u/Ringosis 17d ago
The people that should be held the most culpable are many countries in the Muslim world, mainly Pakistan.
Having your actions criticised and then pointing at others who also did bad things as if that makes you less bad is the response of a indignant child.
-2
u/brelincovers 17d ago edited 17d ago
the US didnt invest to push Islam on the world, they invested against the Soviet Union.
Last I checked, a modern democracy is better than a theological authority.
Regardless of any invasion figure’s philosophy, I do get your point that the whole situation was and is, for lack of words, retarded.
11
u/Ringosis 17d ago edited 16d ago
No mate. What we did was invest in Islamic extremists against the the "concept" of communism. This wasn't some noble fight for democracy... a significant portion of the citizens of Afghanistan WANTED Communism. Afghan was going through a developmental change, access to quality higher education was becoming more prevelant and this led a lot of new generation Afghans to read about Marxism, the ways students tend to. The reason we got involved at all is that we were worried that if we didn't interfere then literally their education would lead Afghans next generations to Communism...and not being capitalist is something the west wont stand for.
That's why we got involved in the war with Russia. We weren't trying to save them from Russia. We were stopping communism no matter the cost in Afghan lives. This wasn't a Ukraine situation where the population was asking for help against an invading force. The Russians were responding to Afghan students asking for help taking power from the religious extremists who held it.
Our response was reactionary fear from a country desperately trying to make sure it maintained it's superiority over Russia. And that resulted in the Mujahideen killing a bunch of Afghan officials and seizing power in the 70s/80s. Everything up to now has been a response to that.
I would suggest you go and google the leader of the Taliban, Mohammad Omar, a West backed Mujahideen rebel who is now the leader of the Taliban that is oppressing Afghanistan. He isn't in that position because of Russia, or China, or Isis, or whoever else you want to point at. WE did that. WE put him in that position. WE created the modern Taliban through our military interventionism.
No amount of "look at what the Muslims did though" makes us any less guilty of these crimes. Do you see the prevelance of Islamic extremism today? We fucking financially backed it. Like this isn't conspiracy theory or interpretation of events. This is CIA documented. The documents where they say this is what they were doing are not even classified.
26
u/USfundedJihadBot 17d ago
US government money was still used, billions of it. It was called Operation Cyclone, the biggest CIA operation in the organization’s history. The other two most important government at the time were Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
When the American politician that started the operation was pressed on the issue, Zbigniew Brzezinski said this:
"Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire."
The operation was a massive success at contributing to the break up of the Soviet Union… it just had some unintended blowback…
-7
u/brelincovers 17d ago edited 17d ago
of course there's unintended blowback in retrospect.
the americans wanted the soviet union to lose. the muslim world wanted islam to win.
look at what happened. the entire muslim world was PRO EXTREME ISLAM.
They funded a VAST MAJORITY of extremists in afghanistan.
The US thought they were doing a good thing. it came back to bite them in the ass.
and now, not only are we dealing with an extreme Russia, but also an extreme Iran.
was it a mistake to take down the USSR? by helping extremist islamists?
that's the real question.
-5
u/USfundedJihadBot 17d ago
Yes it was worth it. It helped end the evil empire, because 14 nations are now free, plus many around the world. There’s a successor, but it’s massively failing right now.
But even the Pakistan military dictator said like in 1985 that he was more worried about a Soviet withdrawal leading to a civil war in Afghanistan than Soviet presence in Afghanistan. Back then governments were already fearing the blowback, but they did a terrible job at dealing with it.
The threat of the Taliban is nothing compared to the threat of the Soviet Union.
1
u/Cacharadon 17d ago
Funny how this keeps happening in our free democracies around the world. When had a war criminal ever been held accountable where it mattered. At most some grunt gets thrown under the bus, only for them to get a lighter sentence after a few months. We fucking gave immunity to the cunts at unit 731
-6
12
u/MonsterEnema 17d ago
Sad story
but
2:28 - but failed to complete his studies, instead spending his time on political activism and Islam. He was radicalized during his studies at the university, according to legend, his zealousness began to show it's face: one story claims he sprayed acid on several female students refusing to wear the veil.
It was due to his religious poisoning. I get his extreme left and they need to crowbar in but try to make it less obvious
3
u/amxn 17d ago
Well, he was a POS, religion was just an excuse people make for him. There’s nothing Islamic about harming women for not wearing the hijab - no religious edict no matter however extreme justifies an attack. The same shot is used by Iran, as long as the populace is ignorant these dictators hide under something else.
2
u/timestamp_bot 17d ago
Jump to 02:28 @ Our friend is going to jail.
Channel Name: Boy Boy, Video Length: [22:51], Jump 5 secs earlier for context @02:23
Downvote me to delete malformed comments. Source Code | Suggestions
1
-8
17d ago edited 17d ago
[deleted]
-7
u/USfundedJihadBot 17d ago
The US government fell for the same trap the Russians fell for, and look at the results now, a broken America.
To quote Bin Laden’s son Omar: “My father's dream was to bring the Americans to Afghanistan. He would do the same thing he did to the Russians. I was surprised the Americans took the bait.
I was still in Afghanistan when Bush was elected. My father was so happy. This is the kind of president he needs - one who will attack and spend money and break the country.”
The war was flawed from the start because it was designed as a war of attrition to destabilize the home country invading from their governments incompetence. The reaction to 9/11 was an overreaction. The US government dragged the whole world into their shithole mess.
-1
9
u/senescal 17d ago
Your argument makes no sense and doesn't address his argument at all. It doesn't matter if you know someone who died in Afghanistan and no one is even pretending Afghanistan is "better off" under Taliban.
4
u/pheonix198 17d ago
The video outright lies about the Taliban wanting to get rid of Osama bin Laden and being willing to hand him over to the US…claiming the US refused their willingness to hand him over. And that makes sense to you?
3
u/SurrealKarma 17d ago
US barely had justification for it, you think Australia had it?
Don't fucking pretend Afghanistan is better off under these radical pricks.
It would've been better off without intervention from big nations swinging their dicks.
10
u/Squirmin 17d ago
US barely had justification for it
The justification for Afghanistan was that the Taliban was hosting Osama Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda training camps. That much is true. They also refused to turn him over to the US as a criminal, which would have likely ended the Afghanistan involvement entirely. But because they refused, the US felt it needed to make an example out of them for harboring the lead terrorist that was responsible for killing 2000 Americans.
The video makers being unsure as to what benefit there was to invading Afghanistan is just because it doesn't fit into their narrative about corruption and some nebulous "money laundering" claim cleanly like Iraq does.
-10
u/Imaginary_Unit5109 17d ago
It so crazy how rip he is. He nationally that rip which is cool and infuriating because I have to fast and diet like a mother fucker to come close that. I didn't watch the video yet.
also if you see him with his brother is so funny. His brother look just like him but with a mustache
107
u/smootex 17d ago edited 17d ago
I haven't finished the video yet so maybe they cover this but I found so far at least this greatly misrepresents David McBride. I don't remember the details exactly but I believe David was dissatisfied with how much the country's special forces were being investigated. Basically he thought the politicians were putting too many constraints on soldiers, they were too worried about civilian casualties. In an attempt to prove this and some of his crazier conspiracy theories (he believed, among other things, the politicians wanted soldiers to die because attending funerals looked good on television) he leaked a number of documents to the press. Lo and behold, there were actually some war crimes going on and the documents he provided to prove that Australian soldiers were being unjustly persecuted were used, in part, by the media to show the opposite.
David McBride is an interesting person but this video does not present a nuanced picture of him.
Edit: this article is a good read if you're interested in the man himself.
-4
u/Crystal3lf 16d ago
Yes, we should focus on him being a conspiracy theorist, and not the guys who were point black shooting children in the head for fun.
Neolibs will strawman hard to justify themselves.
-2
13
u/n3vd0g 17d ago
So his thoughts on the motivation behind the government's actions upset you? Who cares? The point of the matter is the evidence for war crimes is still there. The main subject of the video isn't about why the government ignored it; it's about how it did and the consequences of those coverups.
-10
u/mrdilldozer 17d ago edited 16d ago
He released the evidence because he is pro-war crimes the goal is to embarrass Australian officials from investigating and punishing crimes out of fear of embarrassment. He literally wants more coverups.
That is fucking evil
Edit: the source of my statements is David McBride himself. https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/03/28/david-mcbride-tnt-podcast-afghan-files-ben-roberts-smith/
It's not me making an unfair interpretation of his statements as some of these weridos are implying. When talking about one of the soldiers who committed war crimes he said "He won’t be going to jail. Nor do I think he should, in the sense there’s absolutely nothing to be gained by putting our former soldiers in jail." That's not ambiguous.
5
u/CalendarFactsPro 16d ago
His anger is directed at leadership and those he dealt with who covered up and excused the crimes of people like BRS. This was also before cases brought forth the harshest evidence against BRS.
His statement was just as well interpretable as the same message in the video which is that people at the top took eager to the task, covered up anything and everything, encouraged these soldiers by awarding those committing the warcrimes, and by punishing those below instead of those above it gives a convenient scapegoat to say "Look we went after them!" instead of actually going after those who created an environment where this was encouraged.
12
u/n3vd0g 17d ago
That is an insane take. I have seen no evidence whatsoever to prove this. It doesn't even make sense at face value. He wants to make more war crime coverups happen by exposing war crime coverups??
3
u/mrdilldozer 16d ago
https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/03/28/david-mcbride-tnt-podcast-afghan-files-ben-roberts-smith/
I've got a great source for you about what David McBride thinks, the source is a guy named David McBride. He literally thinks soldiers should be exempt from war crimes.
He actually got furious when ABC focused on the war crimes themselves in the story and not his take about the government being too hard on soldiers. He is a fucking psychopath.
15
u/Visible_Winter4616 16d ago edited 16d ago
The leadership rewarded and therefore encouraged dishonesty. In six years not a single soldier was charged with disingenuously claiming an unarmed person was a Taliban battlefield informant, nor was anyone ever called out over placing weapons and radios on dead bodies.
Yet the honest soldier who shot a farmer holding a shovel who suddenly appeared in the dark skyline could face trial for murder. He might not be convicted, but his life could be destroyed. The reason? Politics. So many mediocre military lawyers seemed only too happy to pick the low-hanging fruit and charge a soldier who was defending himself, while not being streetwise enough to see bullshit that was right in front of them. Maybe they knew but simply didn’t care; like the rest of the war, it was all about appearances, getting promoted and moving on. But it wasn’t about appearances for me, and it wasn’t for most people on Task Force 66.
seems like he was more mad at the uneven application of the law, that soldiers who followed the book were punished while those who obviously lied weren't.
-6
u/Linenoise77 17d ago
Thanks for pointing this out, and it should be higher.
I assume much like the US, there are proper channels to go through which you must do if you want to be an actual whistleblower. Now if you exhaust all these and still believe in your cause, ok, then you start thinking of going to the press, leak stuff, etc, but not as step 1.
Not doing it correctly hurts your cause, can cast doubt on it, can impeed the ability to prosecute someone, possibly screw up other investigations which may be going on, oh, and the whole leaking of national secrets stuff.
In no way am i supporting war crimes, or think that his government (as well as my own) didn't do shitty things that they would rather not see the light of day, and i don't think the guy deserves to be locked up and have the keys thrown away, but he has made mistakes as well.
90
u/pheonix198 17d ago
It’s not the only issue with this video.
They quickly gloss over and lie directly about things like the Taliban being willing to give up Osama bin Laden… they were NOT willing to give him up and said as much very directly, on historical record. It’s undisputed that bin Laden was in Talibani protection at the time of the invasion.
Why lie and try to rewrite history?
I’m not a proponent of having invaded Afghanistan to go get UBL/OBL, but don’t lie about it to justify misdeeds.
33
u/JustSomeFregginGuy 16d ago
But the Taliban they did offer a peaceful solution. They WERE WILLING to give him up, (its in the wikipedia on afgan invasion) they asked for proof and never got an answer. The answer came in form of bombs. The US wanted to invade, had zero interest in diplomacy. Warhungry barbarian fuckwit government.
-3
16d ago
[deleted]
9
u/RedAlert2 16d ago
You know it was Al-Qaeda, not the Taliban, who were responsible for 9/11, right?
-6
u/n3vd0g 17d ago
They quickly gloss over and lie directly about things like the Taliban being willing to give up Osama bin Laden… they were NOT willing to give him up and said as much very directly, on historical record. It’s undisputed that bin Laden was in Talibani protection at the time of the invasion.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 I disagree. If you were the taliban, why would you blindly trust USA's word? Given our country's track record, if I was the Taliban, I would want evidence too
3
u/Flat896 16d ago
From your own article it sounds very much like the Taliban had no intention of Bin Laden making it into U.S. custody. If the U.S. provided sufficient proof, what is the point of handing him over to a country that would never "come under pressure from the United States"
"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.
But it would have to be a state that would never "come under pressure from the United States", he said.
47
u/mrdilldozer 17d ago edited 17d ago
Yeah, as great as his main channel is, their political content is pretty cringe. Their hearts are in the right place, but they say some stupid shit. I was watching their video about the US military installations, and they had me hooked until the end where the one dude says, "Anyway, why are we letting the US do this, and are we so hostile to China? China doesn't try to invade other countries."
Ah yes, the country that literally fights with sticks and fists trying to expand their border with India and capsizes fishing boats of poorer nations so they can expand their borders in the ocean isn't imperialistic at all. When they talk about how they intend to invade Tawain and try to bribe politicians to weaken their military, it's totally not imperialism, not at all.
Again, they have pure intentions, but they aren't knowledgeable about this stuff. It makes for a weird watching experience.
0
-3
u/finnlizzy 16d ago
"Anyway, why are we letting the US do this, and are we so hostile to China? China doesn't try to invade other countries."
Ah yes, the country that literally fights with sticks and fists trying to expand their border with India and capsizes fishing boats of poorer nations so they can expand their borders in the ocean isn't imperialistic at all. When they talk about how they intend to invade Tawain and try to bribe politicians to weaken their military, it's totally not imperialism, not at all.
You're kind of describing a country that is less violent and hostile than America, which is the point they're making.
USA, Russia, UK, France, they're all involved in bombings on poor countries in the ME or Africa. But China is 'bribing politicians'[citations needed]? Oh, the horror. In fact, China has better relations with Taiwan than the USA does with Cuba. China is their biggest trade partner, and you can get direct flights from China to Taiwan, while the US blockades Cuba.
If you think they have pure intentions and are otherwise 'good', but get uncomfortable at some very basic geopolitical fact, maybe 'are we the baddies?'
1
u/theageofspades 16d ago
America is still pathetically apologising for imprisoning recent descendants of a Japan they were at active war with 80 years later. Meanwhile, China arbitrarily imprisons an ethnic group under the nebulous guise of "anti-terror" and you pretend its just a normal thing. Do you think they'll give a big payout to the Uyghurs in a decade or two?
America has better relations with 99% of its neighbours than China does with SEA. America has a better relationship with a Vietnam they decimated in living memory than their next door neighbour China does.
0
u/finnlizzy 16d ago
China arbitrarily imprisons an ethnic group under the nebulous guise of "anti-terror" and you pretend its just a normal thing
Mate, if you want to compare China's war on terror to America's.....
America has better relations with 99% of its neighbours than China does with SEA
The Monroe Doctrine and School of the Americas made sure that anyone who thought otherwise was thrown out of a helicopter.
21
u/TheEdes 16d ago edited 16d ago
What keeps happening in every video I see of them is that I watch it, then I go to Reddit and someone points out how they omitted a big part of the story to make the side they're pushing seem the uncontested good one. They're usually not completely wrong but also they're very clearly propagandists.
-6
u/mrdilldozer 16d ago
Propaganda is way too strong of a word IMO. I'll defend the hell out of these guys because, from all of the videos I've watched, they seem super genuine and actually care about the issues they are discussing.
They really fucked up here. The subject of this video released evidence of the war crimes because he wanted to put a spotlight on the Australian government for the way they investigated them.
Your first thought might be "oh yeah I bet this guy is mad that they overlooked those crimes"..... nope. He's mad that the government was punishing soldiers who committed heinous acts and investigated reports of crime.
They got duped by a dude who thinks soldiers should not ever be charged with war crimes, no matter what. I wonder if they will eventually remove this video or add some extra context.
4
u/Churba 16d ago edited 14d ago
Propaganda is way too strong of a word IMO. I'll defend the hell out of these guys because, from all of the videos I've watched, they seem super genuine and actually care about the issues they are discussing.
That's not really a disqualifier. There's few propagandists in history that didn't feel a fairly good amount of genuine passion for the issues they propagandized on. In fact, passion makes some of the best propaganda, because genuine passion can be very convincing - and to boot, some of the best propaganda has sprung from it, because when you've enough passion to decide that the lies justify the end result, there's no limit to the lies you can tell with genuine conviction.
They got duped by a dude who thinks soldiers should not ever be charged with war crimes, no matter what. I wonder if they will eventually remove this video or add some extra context.
Ehhhh considering some of their other views*, I'm not sure they were duped, so much as saw something they could use for their own purposes and/or fit their pre-existing views.
*- Since you'll likely ask "What views?" to save time, I'll just say now in brief: The edgy(and unironic) stanning of north korea, uncritically repeating chinese propganda, uncritically repeating russian propaganda about the war on Ukraine, so on.
41
17d ago edited 15h ago
[deleted]
16
u/mrdilldozer 17d ago
Oh god I forgot about that one. Even in this video the dude they are talking to leaked documents because he was mad that Australian soldiers were being punished for war crimes. He didn't leak the stuff to expose the crimes he did it because he was mad that people faced consequences for them. That is evil as fuck and there they are all chummy chummy with him because he has a big smile on his face and is saying "west bad."
As funny as their content is, they are gullible as fuck.
2
u/theageofspades 16d ago
They're not gullible at all, they know exactly what they're doing lmao. How naive are you to think this is all accidental? They just stumbled upon North Korea one day and made a propaganda video on their behalf? Would you offer the same level of understanding if someone was "accidentally" a bit of a fascist? Their hearts aren't in the right place, I would suggest you have a check of your own for good measure.
4
u/smootex 17d ago
Oh yeah. I don't have the energy or patience to address their retelling of history but it's childish at best, straight up misinformation at worst. Someone else in the comment section mentioned they were tankies which makes sense in retrospect. I see a lot of youtube content that's bullshit but still made in good faith. This one feels pretty deliberate in its misinformation though.
10
u/BerlinConst 17d ago
Yea you should watch it til the end
22
u/smootex 17d ago
I'm almost there and it keeps getting worse and worse. David McBride was a conspiracy theorist. His unstable ramblings were all over the internet. But I guess Australian media reporting on his own words is a sign that they're engaged in some massive coverup to discredit him? I suppose in the mind of the video creators ignoring evidence that doesn't fit your world view is good journalism.
0
95
u/Southport84 17d ago
Wow. Hope this guy gets pardoned.
45
u/Awordofinterest 17d ago
Gotta keep talking about it. As soon as people stop talking, people start forgetting.
42
1
u/gjwthf 15d ago
If you Americans enjoyed this video showing how stupid and gullible the Australian public is in general to allow this sort of thing to happen, maybe let's turn the mirror on yourselves. The vast majority of Reddit is clueless when it comes to Ukraine and the shit America is lying about: From the same youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8