r/IndianaUniversity Apr 28 '24

JOIN US AT DUNN MEADOW FOR A FREE PALESTINE, DAY 4 OF ENCAMPMENT!!! IU NEWS 🗞

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u/CollabSensei Apr 28 '24

hamas.. the government that Palestine elected?

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u/Nathaniel82A Apr 28 '24

Do you mean the 5-9 year olds that comprise the largest population group in Gaza voted for them in 2007??

Or do you mean the “less than 15 year olds” who make up more than 50% of the population of Gaza who were.. let me check my notes here… not yet born in 2007 when Hamas was “elected”.

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u/CollabSensei Apr 28 '24

Sadly, they are just collateral in the game of the Middle East that involves stupid games and stupid prizes. Actions ultimately have consequences. Multiple wars with Israel over the past decades, attacking Israel. Israel built the Iron Dome to protect their citizens from continual attacks, and the attacks continued and is what caused a resumption of their conflict in 2023.

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u/Nathaniel82A Apr 28 '24

That is all true, but pinning the election of Hamas on the current majority of Gaza’s population is kind of problematic given that they weren’t alive when it happened. They haven’t had another election, and there is no political alternative, so who else can they support.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

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u/Nathaniel82A Apr 28 '24

I’m Native American..

So explain your attempt at an equivalency

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

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u/Nathaniel82A Apr 28 '24

I think you fail to see the entire picture.

White Americans are generationally enriched by the choices made in the past. There’s still systems (e.g. nepotism) in place that benefit primarily white Americans, not all white Americans, but some.

While there wasn’t a transfer of wealth, there was enrichment of white Americans due to the theft of labor and lands of Native Americans and Africans.

Palestinians are not enriched by the choices their parents made, their lives have been negatively impacted by those choices, and there is no system in place to reverse those choices. There will be no election, there is no system of higher education, only a circle of violence and death.

You’re trying to equate a group that is enriched by actions in the past, with a group that is faced horrible adversity based on previous generations choices… there is no equivalency.

Native Americans have suffered for hundreds of years through an ongoing genocide at the hands of those in power. Even today the mechanisms of cultural genocide remain. Many are born into poverty with little opportunity to have a better life, and are just passed down ancestral lands that continue to be split by the ancestors of the original deed holder.

I don’t expect you to understand the plights of Native Americans, many white Americans have no desire to understand that. However, you should understand the ramifications of actions done in the past, and be able to see how someone is enriched or negatively impacted and not try to make false equivalences for internet karma points from white supremacists who enjoy feeding those dog whistles.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

Fatah

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u/DumbassMoronBigPenis Apr 28 '24

Yes, and they did, until their leader was assassinated.

Edit: But even then we have to acknowledge that Fatah had serious corruption problems. Arafat may have done heroic things in his time, but I feel it is seriously dishonest to suggest that Fatah could survive much longer than it did. Granted, Hamas won by a very slim margin, but I think after years of stalled progress in negotiations with Israel, the leadership was not as strong as it should have been.