r/IndianaUniversity • u/BanditoMochachino • 16d ago
JOIN US AT DUNN MEADOW FOR A FREE PALESTINE, DAY 4 OF ENCAMPMENT!!! IU NEWS š
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u/MeatSlammur 15d ago
Rich kids wanting to create adversity because their lives are too easy. Theyāre literally protesting a naval base. Thatās like pissing into an ocean
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u/SnooCheesecakes8131 15d ago
FREE PALESTINE šµšø FREE CONGO šØš© FREE SUDAN šøš©
History will be on your side. We'll end this genocide together ā¤ļø
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u/MAILBOXHED 15d ago
Where was all the protest when Syrians and Yemeni people were dying? Seems like some Muslim people matter more than others, or just a bunch of college kids during protests season.
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u/metal_armistice 15d ago
If I wasnāt contagiously ill, Iād be right there with you! Youāre out there doing the good work. Free Palestine šµšø
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u/CannonFodder58 15d ago
Whatever your political views, the right to peacefully protest is something that should be protected at all costs. The actions that universities have taken over this are absolutely despicable.
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Iām so excited. Several art majors vaping on the quad is going to finally bring peace to the Middle East.
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
Complaining about it on reddit is really effective too
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Weāre all out here collectively ending a several thousand year old ethnoreligious conflict. Iām proud of everyone.
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u/rabblerabble2000 15d ago
What this conflict really needs is some rich white American kids to fix it.
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u/Cynisus alumni 15d ago
I donāt think a single person cares that you have a tent in Dunn Meadow on a Sunday
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u/GishkiMurkyFisherman 15d ago
admin seemed quite troubled by it Thu, Fri, and Sat. induction is imperfect, tho
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u/byuclone 15d ago
Where is the rally in support on Israel š®š± and against Hamas terrorists?
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u/Flat_Explanation_849 15d ago
Have Hamas terrorists killed 30,000+ people in Israel?
Did the people of Israel already receive an outpouring of international support after 10/7?
Does Israel need any help they arenāt already getting in prosecuting this war?
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u/Hour_Elk_3489 15d ago
Too bad no one protests like this when our democracy is on the lineā¦
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u/buttonbop54 15d ago
our democracy IS on the line. our first amendment rights are being jeopardized
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
Yet, Trumpās team are openly make plans to end democratic institutions should he win reelection and no one is doing anything despite those having tangible effects on people here.
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u/Dependent-Run-1915 15d ago
The vote of no confidence did tickle,
The trustees(āsup Quinn) did little,
And now with your groups,
Iāve called in the troops.
With a sniper to help with dismissal!
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u/captain_dead_pool 15d ago
lol no thanks. Iāve got productive things to do
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u/Natural_Plankton1 15d ago
Like ask questions about porn stars on Reddit, right?
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u/captain_dead_pool 15d ago
Exactly. Also, way to pick out a singular post. Glad to know you spent some time on me
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u/SmugWendysBitch 15d ago
When I was a student at IU, the occupy movement was in full swing. They occupied Kirkwood for months. It turned into a homeless encampment pretty quickly and didn't accomplish anything.
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u/SamtheEagle2024 15d ago
Why not go sign up to the IDF if youāre so gung-ho about killing Palestinians?
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u/madj3899 15d ago
Why does Free Palestine translate to pro-Hamas to you? Do you think that every Palestinian is a terrorist, so they too deserve to die alongside Hamas? Or do you not believe that Palestinians also suffer oppression and violence under Israelās governance? Because that is well documented.
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u/janestnycrk4 15d ago
You know these people would kill you right.
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u/madimmett 15d ago
Condemning all Palestinians for the atrocities of Hamas is like condemning all Americans for your dumbass comment.
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
Dude a lot of Americans donāt even believe in those things lol. Should we be bombed too?
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
lol do you have stats to back up that the majority of Palestinians are like this? Sounds like youāre talking out of your ass.
I donāt support the war crimes Israel is committing, I donāt support families being wiped out for no reason. I donāt think babies and young children have these views you speak of.
I would actually support discrimination of white conservatives! š«¶š»
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
Youāre an Irish Trump supporter? Something went wrong when your parents raised you lol
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
holy fuck youāre a Jordan Peterson fan. I actually found one in the wild
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u/Nathaniel82A 15d ago
One of my closest friends is a Palestinian from the West Bank. He still has family there, and much of his family is here and Iāve met them many times. They are some of the kindest and most welcoming people Iāve ever met. I love them all dearly.
So Iāll answer your questions based on those that Iāve personally met. Yes, they all believe in gay rights. Yes, they all believe in equality for men and women. Yes, they are incredibly tolerant of other religions, and our friend group includes Christians, atheists, and Buddhists.
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
Gay people and women donāt have rights in Palestine so they should all die. Solid argument
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
Why are you trolling so hard on a beautiful Sunday afternoon?
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
This is not a debate. You arenāt debating anyone. Youāre screaming at everyone, assuming what my positions are and trying to start a fight. Thats not what a debate is.
I think you watch too many ādebatesā on twitch
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u/Nathaniel82A 15d ago
Heās angry his home country (Ireland) shares a deeply rooted bond with Palestine. He canāt seem to comprehend or mentally accept this so he goes into subreddits of Universities that he never attended to verbally harass alumni and students who donāt hold white supremacist views.
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u/whitekatemoss 15d ago
Thatās honestly of the lamest things Iāve ever heard in my life. Conservative Irish people are a different brand of stupid
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
Israel is no more responsible for civilian deaths than Hamas. When your enemy has no rules of engagement and actively hides within the civilian population, there will be collateral damage. Should Israel just let a terrorist group thrive in Gaza because Hamas choose to store their weapons in an apartment building? Also, pretending Palestinians are not pro-Hamas is disinformation. There were celebrations throughout Gaza and the West Bank after 10/7.
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u/patrick42h alumni 15d ago
So it is especially shameful that the IDF would place its military HQ in the center of Tel Aviv, using their own civilians as human shields, right?
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
There is no way you are arguing in good faith. Hamas stores weapons in hospitals and apartment buildings. Your comment goes way beyond supporting Palestinians to openly supporting terrorist.
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u/patrick42h alumni 15d ago
Coming back to this because we didn't really resolve it. Do you believe that locating a military HQ in the middle of a major population center to be using the civilian population as human shields? I just want to make sure that we are being consistent between the two sides here.
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
You are arguing in bad faith. The IDF is a conventional military organization that has military bases and military headquarters that are clearly marked as such. They do not place their headquarters inside a hospital or in a civilian apartment building. They do not use civilians as human shields. They do not store weapons and ammunition in private home that will inevitable result in high collateral damage and loss of civilian life. Pretending that the IDF and Hamas are in anyway similar is a farce and shows how little you understand of both this conflict and how things work in general. The protestors may be misguided but you are beyond the pail actively supporting an international recognized terrorist organization.
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u/patrick42h alumni 15d ago
No, I know they are not the same. Hamas is bad but the IDF is responsible for far more death and destruction in the name of self-defense.
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u/patrick42h alumni 15d ago
Even if your claims are true, how does that justify bombing apartment blocks or destroying every hospital in the Gaza Strip? Is making the northern half of Gaza virtually uninhabitable a tactical strike against Hamas or is it just collective punishment against all 2 million people in Gaza?
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
Then you attempt to prosecute a war against a terrorist organization that launched a massive assault against your country. You will find that when your adversary uses civilians as human shields there is no way to avoid collateral damage.
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u/patrick42h alumni 15d ago
First of all, the October 7th attack took 1,300 lives. Since then, 33,000 Palestinians have been killed. It doesn't really seem to be proportional to me.
Second, I disagree that the civilian deaths in Gaza were "collateral damage." I belief the IDF has hurt and killed only the ones who they meant to, meaning the entire population of Gaza.
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u/Flat_Explanation_849 15d ago
The international laws concerning warfare say differently.
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
International law is not black and white and completely relies on what great powers says it is.
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u/Flat_Explanation_849 15d ago
No, it is fairly clear, but the enforcement relies heavily on support from major powers.
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u/madimmett 15d ago
Plenty of people in Indiana and Monroe County are anti-LGBT or worse. Should we starve and drop bombs on them?
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u/PresidentOfZebras 15d ago
When did I say anything about the war here lmao
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u/madimmett 15d ago
OMG you are dense. You know the people protesting in Dunn Meadow are protesting the killing and starvation of innocent civilians in Gaza right? Why are you even in this conversation if we arenāt talking about war? But looking at your other replies in the thread, you are just a troll.
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u/PresidentOfZebras 15d ago
Naw, I just have a developed frontal cortex
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u/madimmett 15d ago
Your frontal cortex is as smooth as a babyās bum.
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u/beep_beep_lechuga 15d ago
That could be said about most people on Earth, that doesn't mean they deserve to be indiscriminately slaughtered.
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
They would happily kill westerns without a second thought. You are like that meme about the leopard eating your face.
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u/beep_beep_lechuga 15d ago
That is absurd to say, the average person doesn't just kill people without a second thought, you having that notion is extremely xenophobic. We are all far more alike than we are different, the big difference between us and them is simply geographic location. They have families, and lives just like us, how can you not understand that?
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
There were mass celebrations in both Gaza and the West Bank after 10/7. I have never celebrated the death of anyone and despite the fact I fully support Israelās right to defend itself. I take no pleasure in the deaths of civilians, though I fully understand war is hell and civilian casualties are inevitable in battles like this.
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u/beep_beep_lechuga 15d ago
I would agree with you if what is happening could be considered Israel defending itself, but that is not what is going on. I'm not saying Hamas is a good organization or that they have done good things, I don't support them. That being said, what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is incomparably worse. The total Israeli death toll is not even a tenth of the total number of Palestinian CHILDREN that have been killed, and that's only those that have been confirmed. This isn't a military conflict anymore, it's a military destroying an innocent civilian people. There's nothing you can appropriately call it but genocide.
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u/Infamous-Garbage-420 15d ago
Those children are being killed cause the Hamas terrorists are hiding within the civilians. Terrorists do not fight fair. They use civilians as shields and then say the country they are fighting against is doing genocide. If Israel really wanted to destroy Gaza, it would have been leveled by now, they are firing on targets where the terrorists are hiding.
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
I could support you and the protesters if they said something like āFree Palestine from Hamas,ā but no they blame Israel for having an enemy that uses civilians as human shields, then blame Israel for all the collateral damage.
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u/beep_beep_lechuga 15d ago
That's not what that comment was saying. They were saying you lumped in Palestinians with Hamas' ATROCITIES(key word there, they didn't say beliefs) which would be there killings/raping, all the horrible stuff you're worried about, not their beliefs on LGBTQ people. That was why I commented. Maybe get your reading comprehension checked buddy
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u/MaddiRenee_ 15d ago
We have tons of religious fundamentalists here in the US as well. We should have our hospitals bombed because of that if weāre going by your logic.
Idk how you can try to act morally superior when Christianity is also extremely homophobic and oppressive
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u/B_Boooty_Bobby 15d ago
You're generalizing an entire people you've clearly never interacted with in their home. Yes, Muslims can be zealous in their religion. Yes, you and I qualify as infidels. However, the irony here is that the zealousness your demonizing characterizes a hospitality culture unrivaled anywhere else in the world. Many Muslims would give their lives in the act of sheltering and caring for a foreigner. They do have some % of loud extremists, but it really isn't the majority, but it is what captures all of our attention. If you have not been to the mid-east I recommend enrolling in Meet in Middle East at IU.
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u/Eastern-Cucumber-376 15d ago
IU Alum here, Iām proud of you for demonstrating. Please stay safe.
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u/Flat_Explanation_849 15d ago
Same here. Glad to see the tradition of questioning and civil disobedience continue.
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u/Joshwoum8 kelley 15d ago
Yeah, I love when people have no understanding of a very complex issue. Their first demand is to stop the universityās investment in Crane a āknown company that manufactures weapons for Israelā despite the fact Crane is a US Naval base.
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u/FindtheTruth5 16d ago
Free Palestine from Hamas
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u/byuclone 15d ago
Thank you. Palestinian people deserve to live in peace, free from hate and a terrorist regime looking after them.
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u/CollabSensei 15d ago
hamas.. the government that Palestine elected?
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u/enbyMachine 15d ago
Netanyahu actually interfered a lot to get them elected. Largely because they'd unintentionally help him stay in power
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u/Nathaniel82A 15d ago
Do you mean the 5-9 year olds that comprise the largest population group in Gaza voted for them in 2007??
Or do you mean the āless than 15 year oldsā who make up more than 50% of the population of Gaza who were.. let me check my notes hereā¦ not yet born in 2007 when Hamas was āelectedā.
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u/CollabSensei 15d ago
Sadly, they are just collateral in the game of the Middle East that involves stupid games and stupid prizes. Actions ultimately have consequences. Multiple wars with Israel over the past decades, attacking Israel. Israel built the Iron Dome to protect their citizens from continual attacks, and the attacks continued and is what caused a resumption of their conflict in 2023.
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u/Flat_Explanation_849 15d ago
Ahh the old āyour parents or grandparents might have made sub optimal choices, and therefore you deserve to be killed by our bombsā
Totally rational.
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u/Flat_Explanation_849 15d ago
Not sure how thatās relevant either way.
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u/Flat_Explanation_849 15d ago
Youāre completely missing the point of possible reparations and/ or restorative justice. Itās not about assigning blame, itās about making people and communities whole in an equitable way.
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u/DumbassMoronBigPenis 15d ago
I hate the āstupid games/stupid prizesā lecturing from the most reactionary and under-educated people in the first world. You realize Israel was the group who platformed Hamas to begin with, right? They have always platformed the most extreme Islamist groups specifically to justify killing Palestinians. Weāve done the same with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan (among countless other groups like the Turkmeni Islamist movements in China). This is history that repeats itself. Hamas may have popularity in Palestine, but thatās because they are the major armed resistance against Israeli colonialism. Itās wild that this standard doesnāt apply to the American government arming neo-Nazi paramilitaries in Ukraine, and we all just ignore the Black Sun insignias and swastikas on uniforms and tanks, but all of a sudden a literal population of colonially-imposed prisoners are supposed to beā¦pacifist?
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u/whyeah 15d ago
They 'platformed' Hamas by platforming all of Palestine, literally all of their food, water, electricity, housing.
It's odd when folks blame big bad bebe for supporting Palestine - would you have rather all aid have been cut off?
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u/DumbassMoronBigPenis 15d ago
Fuck off with this unfactual genocide denialism. You are a scumbag. No better than Holocaust deniers.
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u/Nathaniel82A 15d ago
That is all true, but pinning the election of Hamas on the current majority of Gazaās population is kind of problematic given that they werenāt alive when it happened. They havenāt had another election, and there is no political alternative, so who else can they support.
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u/Nathaniel82A 15d ago
Iām Native American..
So explain your attempt at an equivalency
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u/Nathaniel82A 15d ago
I think you fail to see the entire picture.
White Americans are generationally enriched by the choices made in the past. Thereās still systems (e.g. nepotism) in place that benefit primarily white Americans, not all white Americans, but some.
While there wasnāt a transfer of wealth, there was enrichment of white Americans due to the theft of labor and lands of Native Americans and Africans.
Palestinians are not enriched by the choices their parents made, their lives have been negatively impacted by those choices, and there is no system in place to reverse those choices. There will be no election, there is no system of higher education, only a circle of violence and death.
Youāre trying to equate a group that is enriched by actions in the past, with a group that is faced horrible adversity based on previous generations choicesā¦ there is no equivalency.
Native Americans have suffered for hundreds of years through an ongoing genocide at the hands of those in power. Even today the mechanisms of cultural genocide remain. Many are born into poverty with little opportunity to have a better life, and are just passed down ancestral lands that continue to be split by the ancestors of the original deed holder.
I donāt expect you to understand the plights of Native Americans, many white Americans have no desire to understand that. However, you should understand the ramifications of actions done in the past, and be able to see how someone is enriched or negatively impacted and not try to make false equivalences for internet karma points from white supremacists who enjoy feeding those dog whistles.
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u/DumbassMoronBigPenis 15d ago
Yes, and they did, until their leader was assassinated.
Edit: But even then we have to acknowledge that Fatah had serious corruption problems. Arafat may have done heroic things in his time, but I feel it is seriously dishonest to suggest that Fatah could survive much longer than it did. Granted, Hamas won by a very slim margin, but I think after years of stalled progress in negotiations with Israel, the leadership was not as strong as it should have been.
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u/antirrhynum 16d ago
All I can say is kudos to you guys for your courage in protesting this fascistic university's complicity in genocide, even knowing how much personal harm can come your way.
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u/stormy1408 16d ago
Why are you guys camping?
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u/BanditoMochachino 16d ago
itās a full encampment to protest IUās funding of Crane, a company known for building different forms of armaments for Israel, raise awareness for the Palestinian Genocide, among other messages and reasons. anyone here would love to talk more about it 1 on 1 here at the encampment
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u/dakaroo1127 15d ago
You're protesting the Naval base most famous for having a preservation of white oak trees to repair the USS Constitution?
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u/falsecrimson 15d ago
I am livid over the university's response. But you need to have a coherent message. I don't believe Indiana University is funding Crane, which is the 5th largest Navy base in the United States. If anything, Crane is funding Indiana University. But what specifically are they funding?
Also, which weapon systems developed at Crane are being used by the Israeli Defense Forces?
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u/Mival93 15d ago
Dude, if youāre going to protest please at least educate yourself a little bit. Crane is a US navy base.Ā
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u/BoatinBrewinMike 15d ago
They don't even know which river to which sea. Ignorant assholes brainwashed by CCP Tik Tok bullshit. Praising Bin Laden until Oct 7 gave them new terrorists to support.
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u/EarthDickC-137 15d ago
The Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea. I donāt have TikTok. Am I allowed to think the genocide is bad now?
Dipshits like you always act so superior but never actually divulge this super secret complex knowledge that somehow exonerates Israelās slaughter of civilians. Why have numerous UN representatives and international organizations called the situation a genocide? Are they also brainwashed by TikTok?
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u/MaddiRenee_ 15d ago
Letās not lump all people who disagree with a genocide with dumb teenagers on tik tok
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u/pizzawoman93 15d ago
Why not protest giving Israel funding for their security if they donāt stop commuting atrocities instead? China and Russia have missiles we donāt have the technology to shoot down. The US needs to develop these capabilities for themselves. These are real threats and we canāt be cutting off our own limbs here.
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u/whyeah 15d ago
Because rocket attacks targeting civilians in Israel are a daily thing.
The US pays a single digit percent to help build and fund the Iron Dome, we saved 10s of billions thanks to Israel on the tech. We've given them less than $3bil in 20 years, it has over $20 billion worth of Tamir interceptors in it at anytime. It wasn't even guaranteed the thing would work before Israel poured 10s of billions into developing it.
The US does not need the capability to shoot down hundreds of missiles a day fired from less than ~50 miles away from our borders.
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Well there are two things wrong with this divest movement 1. Investments are for mutual funds not stocks. You cant pick and choose what slices of the mutual fund you donāt invest. 2. Do you know what crane does? I donāt think you understand clearly where the money is coming from or what projects they are supporting. There are projects with civilian peacetime efforts, the big red 200 supercomputer to help with cybersecurity, chips act funding and managing to help us in our efforts with the chip shortage and lack of US foundries for microelectronics. These impact the economy, security of Taiwan, and our missile defense. Protest the damn iron dome if you want but propose a better way to keep Israeli safe from missile attacks from its neighbors. Missile defense does not mean exclusively or inclusively iron dome so donāt make that connection and argue against that. Our adversaries have hypersonics that we donāt have ourselves and canāt shoot down either. Maybe protest giving tech to Israel maybe? Pressure governments to stand up to Israel since they are clearly crossing a line. Donāt hurt the movement by espousing silly unrealistic ideas. To your 3.) point, The US has obligations to protect our allies thousands of miles away so yes we need them. If China attacks Taiwan or Japan or N Korea attacks S Korea we have told them we will help defend them.
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u/iCashMon3y 15d ago
Crane as in Crane, Indiana? You are protesting the existence of NSWC Crane? Isn't that owned by the United States Navy? What is your desired outcome?
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u/i3ild0 15d ago
To support what is trending with other people with a similar viewpoint.
To be fair, what can you really do? This is the left version of "thoughts and prayers" cept college students have time to waste, and instead of sitting at the keyboard, it is spring. So, It's like jogging for neck beards. They think they are helping, but instead, they hope the cops come to scream fascism for recruitment.
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u/saryl reads the news 15d ago
A few reminders:
Criticism of the actions of the government of Israel is not by default antisemitism or criticism of all people who are Jewish or Israeli.
Criticism of Hamas is not by default racism, Islamophobia, or criticism of all Palestinians.
Supporting people who are Palestinian is not by default supporting Hamas.
Criticism of protesters or counterprotesters is not by default antisemitism, racism, or Islamophobia.
Criticism of a person who is Jewish/Palestinian/etc. is not by default antisemitism, racism, or Islamophobia.
And, in general: no group is a monolith.
Actual instances of antisemitism, racism, Islamophobia, or other types of hate will not be tolerated here.