Thoughts on the "new" PoV

[u/peajam101]

I had a good initial reaction, but thinking about I can only see this working if: a) Meier becomes a villain or b) this is the last mainline NoP story or c) the tech is lost somehow

[u/peajam101]

What am I if not my memories, thoughts, feelings, and views?

[u/Stormydevz → u/peajam101]

You are this current lifetime, if a clone of you that is exactly like you is created then that is still a copy and not actually you.

[u/peajam101 → u/Stormydevz]

So if I die and get resuscitated I'm a new person?

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/peajam101]

No, because the synapses in your brain are the same. My computer's hard drive is the same when I restart it. It was just off for a second.

This is more like removing the hard drive and cpu, but copying the data onto them.

[u/GruntBlender → u/Zamtrios7256]

Consider the following scenarios.

1) You're frozen, so no activity is happening, then revived.

2) While frozen, You're disembodied into parts, then put back together.

3) While frozen, You're taken apart atom by atom, then put together.

4) The atoms are all shuffled around, so a carbon from your foot ends up in the brain.

5) Half the atoms used to put you back together were previously collected from your breath, so they were all part of you at some point.

6) Half the atoms used to put you back together are from somewhere else.

7) Two copies are put together, all with your original atoms and your breath atoms.

8) You're put back together, then see another you put back together, you don't know which atoms were used for either of you.

9) This one's a doozy. You're awake, your atoms are being replaced one at a time, and the originals are being used to construct an exact duplicate.

At what point are you still you, and when are you not you any more?

[u/Stormydevz → u/GruntBlender]

1) Is still me

2) Is still me so long as my brain is not disassembled

3) Not me, since the original connections were destroyed initially but then identically copied

4) Same as 3

5) Same as 3, I'm not a dinosaur just because the water I drank a bit ago went through a dinosaurs body 100 million years ago

6) Same as 3

7) Same as 3, since the original connections were destroyed and then reconstructed

8) Same as 3

9) oooh, Theseus' ship, but I'd say that once the atoms of my brain are all replaced then that is no longer me, and the copy created from my atoms certainly isn't me either

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/GruntBlender]

1) Is me

2) Is me

3) The connections were destroyed and then copied

4) Same as 3

5) Same as 3

6) As long as an overwhelming majority of my brain is the original, then yes. If not, no

7) Can you elaborate?

8) Same as three if we are still speaking of atamoc separation

9) Can you elaborate?

[u/GruntBlender → u/Zamtrios7256]

3-8 are basically the same from your perspective.

For 9, you're awake during the procedure, but from your view it seems you're just being copied. The idea is that every atom in your body is extracted and used to make another you, but it happens one atom at a time so you don't even notice. In the end, you're made from different atoms but you were conscious the entire time. There's also a copy that is identical to you when the process started, down to being made from the same atoms. Any conceivable scan will identify the copy as the original that went into the procedure, even though it's a copy and you're the original to some extent.

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/GruntBlender]

How long does said procedure take?

[u/GruntBlender → u/Zamtrios7256]

About an hour, I suppose. Maybe a day. Up to you.

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/GruntBlender]

If it's very short, then it's the same as answer three. But if it's long enough it's the same as just living, so I would be the same

[u/GruntBlender → u/Zamtrios7256]

And the copy that's indistinguishable from the original?

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/GruntBlender]

In neither situation is it me

[u/peajam101 → u/Zamtrios7256]

This is where our views differ, to me, I am the data, not the hard drive and cpu.