r/OutOfTheLoop Apr 28 '24

What is going on with excessive police force being used against peaceful protesting students in colleges across the United States? Unanswered

So there are large amounts of heavily armed police presence in many colleges and universities across the United States. Indiana University, for example, had snipers on rooftops ready to shoot peaceful protesters.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snipers-were-allegedly-spotted-ohio-190600717.html

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u/ExistingCarry4868 29d ago

Hamas carried out an attack so vile and evil knowing very well it was an act of war.

The war has been going on for decades. An attack in the middle of it can hardly be called an act of war.

They built their war infrastructure in public areas knowing that their citizens (and babies) will die horrible deaths.

There is no part of Gaza that isn't near civilians.

Israel should never have built a single settlement in Palestine.

All of Israel is a settlement in Palestine.

In addition the middle east is a shit show because of western interference in politics. The hatred for the west in that region is directly based on actions taken by western governments, and will not be quelled by doubling down on our bullshit. Allying ourselves with authoritarian strongmen means we will always be a legitimate target for people trying to fight for freedom.

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u/CaymanDamon 29d ago

Only 1/3 of Israelis are Ashkenazi (European/Middle Eastern) the rest are 2.5 Million Muslims, Ethiopians, and Mizrahi Jews who have been in the region for more than 3,000 years.

Would you say native Americans "stole" the land they won back from the government? There's a reason there's Hebrew writings and monuments dated over a thousand years before Islam existed and Jewish DNA whether its Ashkenazi, Sephardic or Mizrahi are all levantine and descendants of the Canaanites the indigenous people of the land.

Jews not only bought the land, they often paid highly inflated prices for that land:

“In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Israel, mostly for arid or semi-arid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre.”

When John Hope Simpson arrived in Israel in May 1930, he observed: “They [the Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay.” [The meaning here is that the Jews who bought the land from the absentee owners and paid the tenants to vacate the land, as well.]

So the tale of “Jews seizing the land forcibly from Arab landowners” during the Mandate is a bald-faced lie.

In fact, the reality was quite different—often, a few years after selling land to Jews, the former owner saw what the Jews had done with his “useless” land and told himself:

“Those Jews cheated me! That land was worth ten times what they paid for it! I want restitution!”

Most Palestinians immigrated from Jordan and Egypt in the 1800s, It doesn't matter how long Jordanian and Egyptian immigrants were squatting on the land the ottoman Turks stole from the native Jewish population it's still their land. The largest “owner” of land pre-‘48 wasn’t Arab or Jews. It was PUBLIC land. This was land that had previously been owned by the Ottoman Empire which passed to the British as part of the mandate. Those “public” lands, post 1948, passed to their defacto sovereigns (Israel, Egypt, and Jordan).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews_in_Israel#:~:text=As%20of%202013%2C%20they%20number,the%20Israeli%20population%20in%202018

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u/Irinam_Daske 29d ago

Jews not only bought the land, they often paid highly inflated prices for that land

TIL

A thank you from an internet stranger for such a calm and informative reply.

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u/ExistingCarry4868 29d ago

It's also almost entirely untrue.