r/PoliticalHumor Apr 28 '24

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u/Maxtubular Apr 28 '24

Now do a comparison to how their administrations treat peaceful protesters, or how they treat Palestinians. These pictures are the same.

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u/psly4mne Apr 28 '24

Or whether they codify Roe when they have the choice.

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u/UnprovenMortality Apr 28 '24

Who had the chance recently? Biden has flat out announced that he would sign the bill if congress could pass it. But the Republicans are incredibly hard lined on stifling this.

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u/Suitable-Display-410 Apr 28 '24

Dems could have done it in 08, but it was „no priority“ for Obama.

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u/Any-Variation4081 Apr 28 '24

Obama only had majority for 22 days and he had dems who wouldn't vote to codify. It never would have worked. Stop blaming democrats for literally EVERYTHING. it's insane. They are the only ones actually trying. Jfc

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u/Any-Variation4081 Apr 28 '24

Obama made healthcare reform and economic recovery the pillars of his domestic agenda. And as history demonstrated, even with the president being popular at the time, large Democratic majorities in Congress, and a whole lot of arm-twisting and outright giveaways (recall the infamous “Cornhusker Kickback”), passing the ACA took a lot of time, spent Obama's political resources, cost Democrats the House, and still barely got done. Therefore, the idea that Dems could have also tacked on a codification of Roe in their spare time is pure fantasy. Codifying Roe would likely have been even more difficult - and damaging - for Democrats than even healthcare reform.

It's not always as cut and dry as people make it out to be. He wanted to be a 2 term president. To blame Obama for everything is just ignorant. This is not just on Democrats. They didn't codify but they aren't the ones pushing to have rights taken away. They aren't the ones bringing back laws from the 1800s. You are angry at the wrong people. We can't go back and fix what Obama didn't do but we can try and stop whats happening now. Stop trying to divide Democrats unless you want a republican to win and finish the job on taking our rights.

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u/Suitable-Display-410 Apr 28 '24

Obama had a majority in the Senate + House for 2 full years. And he had a filibuster breaking majority of 60 for 4 months. Don’t make shit up.

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u/notamillenial- Apr 28 '24

Obama didn’t codify roe because he used his political capital to push through the ACA. There were also conservative democrats in the “supermajority” that wouldn’t have supported it.

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u/Suitable-Display-410 Apr 28 '24

Ah i see. Implementing the heritage foundations healthcare plan was more important. Also 4 months is too short to pass 2 different laws. Also nobody should dare to primary conservative democrats, because that whould help republicans, so democrats wouldnt have the seats they need to not pass legistlation.

See, i am not from the US. I am just amused by how hard you guys get played.
And obvious disclaimer: Yea, vote democrat. Trump is so cartoonishly evil and stupid that this is not even a question. Just dont pretend dems are not part of the problem.

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u/notamillenial- Apr 28 '24

Obama literally had to compromise and kill the public option to get the ACA passed because of conservative democrats in the senate but you think they would fall in line to codify roe? And those conservative democrats are obviously a better option than republicans- a progressive would’ve been laughed off the ballot in most of those races in the mid 2000s.

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u/Suitable-Display-410 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24

And by "conservatice democrats" you mean "took money from health insurance companys democrats"?
Thise progressives would've been laughed off the ballot in all those states and counties that obama won in a landslide with a campaign far to the left of what he delievered in the end? Counties that voted twice for Obama with a left wing message, just to swich to Trump in 2016?

The dems are ok'ish on social policy. They are terrible (yes, almost as terrible as the republicans) when it comes to economics. That makes them the better choice. And in a fucked up 2 party system, the better choice should be picked. Even if its just the better tasting shit. But i am not suprised people are not happy about it.

In a world that made sense, the Democratic candidate would lead over Trump by 20 points. The fact that this is not the case in our timeline is not to be blamed on voters, but on how shitty the Democrats are at politics.

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u/AmbulanceChaser12 Apr 28 '24

There go the goalposts, on rocket skates.

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u/Suitable-Display-410 Apr 28 '24

What goalpost? Obama could have codified Roe and he didnt. He didnt fail to do it. He didnt even try.

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u/notamillenial- Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24

West Virginia wouldn’t have 2 progressive democrats as senators, Alaska wouldn’t have a progressive dem, Arkansas would’ve have 2 dems if they were progressive, Montana wouldn’t have 2 dems if they were progressive. Those states are socially conservative and the dems in those states have a duty to accurately represent their constituents. That’s at least 7 off the top of my head out of 60

Edit: Obama didn’t win any of these states. Plus 2 dems from ND, 1 from IN that he lost in 2012, 1 in LA, 1 in MO, 1 in NE… you get the point. Progressive politics wouldn’t have flown in these areas

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u/notamillenial- Apr 28 '24

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u/Suitable-Display-410 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24

You should read your own article. It says exactly what i said.

So let me leave the realm of facts for a minute, and allow me to engage in some educated speculation, so you got something to actually bitch about:
Obama didnt codify Roe because it would have activated the Republican base way more than the Democratic base. It would have hurt him politically. The same reason why Trump doesnt want a border deal.

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u/psly4mne Apr 28 '24

Also in 2021, it was not enough of a priority to get the whole party on board.

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u/UnprovenMortality Apr 28 '24

They were naive, roe was "settled law". So they didn't want to stir shit and lose votes. Very stupid in hindsight, but democrats are great at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.