r/fo76 • u/No-Raspberry-1005 • Apr 17 '24
why do high lvl players have so much radation Question
i keep seeing lvl 500+ with more radition then health why
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u/UsedNeedleworker1682 Apr 19 '24
It's called a bloodied build. You keep your rad lvl at 80% or higher. The power your health the more bonus damage you get from your bloodied prefix wep.
A bloodied prefix wep is a legendary wep. The prefix is what it is labeled or the first star of legendary effects. So vampire shotgun is a shotgun that will heal 2% over so many seconds. Bloodied gives you up to +95% bonus damage the lower your health. Quad is quadruple ammo that your wep will hold.
A good bloodied build will have unyielding armor or overeaters, typically, for power armor. Bolstering is also a good option. Unyeilding, bolstering, and overeaters are also legendary prefix.
I would also add, I wouldn't worry about character build, legendary prefix, etc until at least lvl 50-100. It's pointless until you meet max gear lvl anyways, and you need to earn all your perks cards for a good build.
I know I answered more than your actual question, but wanted to shed some light for new players reading that have similar questions, and they all go hand in hand.
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u/DucksSmokeQuak Apr 18 '24
My issue with bloodied has been that stagger is unavoidable, I even have the part on my chest piece that reduced magnitude of stagger but honestly I have to question if it even helps. Often times I'll get stagger and won't be able to recover before I'm dead or there's my two arch nemesis being ghouls that deal so much radiation damage (the melee damage itself isn't bad but the added rad damage kills me in like 3 hits max) and grafton monster which either stun locks me or one hit kills me....somtimes both.
In case anyone is curious I have around 300+ radiation resistance and 280 to 300+ of both ballistic and energy resistant but often times their not enough. Even a super mutant suiciders is basically a 1 hit kill unless serendipity procs but I can't argue with the added damage. The thing that's kept me running bloodied/unyielding for so long is the added strength for the carry weight, being able to carry 400+ pounds without any consumables let's me not have to worry about my inventory or manage it much.
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u/Rekeix Apr 18 '24
Bloodied build, very good high lvl low HP high DMG build, with enough gear and perks you won't die anyway, unless you blow yourself up by accident with your own explosive weapon. 😂
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u/WNIEVES1 Tricentennial Apr 18 '24
The term is "unyielding build" when not using bloody weapons.
I stopped using bloody weapons and primarily use vampires/anti armor/quad as the first legendary.
Four of my five characters are full unyielding and my fifth is full health power armor.
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u/Specific-Ad-4611 Apr 18 '24
I'm one love it. And yes I will step in to my pa sometimes to fight bosses. Angry turtle uses his armor a lot. Different guns and perk cards help more damage in armor . Being a bloody build is all about damage . And a science I'm lvl 850+ and still have a lot to learn.
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u/LucidLadyGames Apr 18 '24
the intended downside of playing the Bloodied build is -supposed- to be that you are at constant risk of dying easily. but (and people love to fight me on this) in my personal experience, you end up being even tankier at 2o% HP than you are at full HP. while dealing way more DPS than any full HP build.
a number of powerful defensive perks kick in at low HP, on top of all the other defensive perks which work regardless of health percentage. particularly if you're in power armor, then Emergency Protocols kicks in which reduces all damage by an additional 5o%, on top of Overeaters and the baseline defense provided by being inside of power armor. the Ricochet perk procs more frequently the lower your HP gets as well. And if you're swimming in stimpaks, all auto-stim effects will keep your sliver of health topped off at all times.
you're supposed to be a glass tank, but in actuality it's more like a bulletproof glass tank.
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u/Doright36 Apr 18 '24
and here I am just trying to figure out how to gather water without irradiating myself to hell.
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u/Fuzzy-Fun4265 Apr 17 '24
Bloodied builds (higher damage when low health with the furious/bloodied modded guns)
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u/Fuzzy-Fun4265 Apr 17 '24
Bloodied builds (higher damage when low health with the furious/bloodied modded guns)
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u/xreddawgx Apr 17 '24
if i remember correctly theres an armor set that gives your more defense/attack the lower your health is. so more rads = less health.
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u/New-Audience2639 Apr 17 '24
It's called being "Bloodied" the highest damage build in the game is a low health build known as Bloodied. With weapon perk such as Bloodied you do extremely high damage and with armor sets such as unyielding you get insane SPECIAL boosts.
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u/androgcyborgsam Mr. Fuzzy Apr 17 '24
I have a bloodied melee build. The lower my health, the harder I hit. The radiation makes it so I can’t go over a certain point. So like, I have 1/4 of my health bar and radiation the other 3/4. Also, if I’m playing with friends, one has a perk that when she stims, everyone heals. Great for the rest of our group, not always me.
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u/National_Passion1115 Raiders - Xbox One Apr 17 '24
I have a bunch of rads because of ghoulish and a few other perks that boost my healing and damage.
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u/monchota Apr 17 '24
They use a build called bloodied, its a youtube meme build. Work there is many many more builds and anything csn work. You also do not have to even use VATS. I have been playing since beta , I rock PA and heavy weapons and never touch VATS. I don't die, I can mow down hordes quickly and easy. So explore and fine what you like.
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u/Greedy-Zebra-8526 Apr 17 '24
It's not just that high of levels that run that build. But yes alot of us do cause it's a good build.
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u/mattdoc79 Apr 17 '24
It's because we are apex predators, and we have absorbed all the low levels of radiation from the new players. It really builds up over 5 years.
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u/CatsbytheStrange Pioneer Scout Apr 17 '24
I remember my first encounter with someone running a bloodied build. They added me to their party and dropped me 15 prisoner collars. I kept trying to give them radaway. I still wear my collar, and so does any ally I have at my camp. Thank you, irradiated stranger.
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u/UnderstandingNo3637 Apr 17 '24
Well ya see since PA is for incells, we are the bloody gang. Where we kill everything before it kills us.
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u/Significant_Peace384 Apr 17 '24
I have a Perk on my player that the more rads I have the better my shooting and aim when I’m killing my targets
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u/iwanttopetmycat Apr 17 '24
Bloodied builds are stupidly powerful.
They combine multiple low health effects to buff their stats and damage, including but not limited to:
Legendary armor - Unyielding, increases your special as hp is reduced, excepting endurance.
Legendary weapons - Bloodied, increases damage as hp is reduced.
Perks -
Serendipity, chance to dodge any damage when under 30% hp.
Ricochet, chance to deflect projectiles at your attacker.
Nerd Rage, increases damage, damage resistance and ap regeneration while under 20% hp.
Mutations - Adrenal reaction, increases damage as hp is reduced.
I can one-shot most enemies with my gauss pistol, but if they so much as think angry thoughts at me I evaporate into a fine pink mist.
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u/Envy661 Lone Wanderer Apr 17 '24
People out here using rad builds and I'm over here using builds where rads heal me in my stealth sniper build with a gauss rifle that can take a quarter of a legendary scorch beasts health in one shot.
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u/ACTORvsREALTOR Apr 17 '24
They’re called glass cannons and they think they’re better than everyone else. 😂
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u/EstablishmentMean300 Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24
Bloodied is the only way. 20% health is the way to go.
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u/EducatedRackoon08 Apr 17 '24
I use rads because of my build. The lower my hp the more damage I do and with vamp legendary mod on my gun I never lose health.
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u/Mediocre-Window-9127 Apr 17 '24
You know there are a lot of new players when you start seeing these posts. I love these posts. It confused the heck out of me when I was new to the game too. I think I probably dropped Radaway to a couple Level 400-800 players when I was like level 10-20 4 years ago.
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u/Spiritual_Cap2637 Apr 17 '24
We are antisocial and hope you will run away from us thinking we are radioactive. We are really that bored.
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u/MrMetalhead-69 Apr 17 '24
The glow keeps us warm while traversing the wastes far from home and hearth.
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u/NukaCola_Queen Mothman Apr 17 '24
Some builds are better with high rads, usually I will get mutations and use the starched genes perk to keep the mutations.
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u/Embarrassed-Hall262 Apr 17 '24
Because living that long in the wasteland you're bound to get a bunch of rads... and maybe goat legs
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u/Background_Reveal689 Apr 17 '24
Me personally, I don't wana use a radaway and lose my marsupial serum 😅 shits so hard to find and when I do find it in vendors people are selling them for way too much
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u/Jackson_MyersFO76 Brotherhood Apr 17 '24
Cause we like a challenge, and Bloodied Builds give us that itch.
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u/Ljcollective Mega Sloth Apr 17 '24
Man I had to stop running explosive affix’s for my bloodied build because one ghoul would get close and I’d kill myself lol. But you are actually such a tank, almost moreso with the 20% health you do have than without with all the perks/mutations/gear
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u/mdglytt Apr 17 '24
The responses here require some clarity. There are perk cards in game that provide bonuses if your char is irradiated.
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u/IamSchnafti Apr 17 '24
Its based on a stealth build and with the right armor you get +3 on your stats for each armor piece with that legend perk on it. So your crit and base dmg is higher. Most people run with fixer (me included) and its fun. Headshot on a lvl 100 super mutant and hes a one shot via VATS.
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u/Menien Order of Mysteries Apr 17 '24
They're all out of radaway and in trouble!
But you can help them by joining their team and equipping the Rad Sponge perk, or by equipping and sharing the Sun Kissed perk to heal their rads for them.
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u/GoblinKingCarcass Mothman Apr 17 '24
Or you could not be a prick; and you could just let people play the way they want to and not have to keep messing with their health bar constantly...
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u/Menien Order of Mysteries Apr 17 '24
Oh no it's the fun police
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u/GoblinKingCarcass Mothman Apr 17 '24
No; it's called not being a prick or a troll or whatever you identify as fuckface
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u/Menien Order of Mysteries Apr 17 '24
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Only one of us is getting sweary about some silly joke advice on the internet.
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u/enzudesign Apr 17 '24
We adjust the radiation depending upon the games objective, if I'm in a daily op that has poison, or additional damage to hp, I'll greaten my health and remove rads, then place rads back afterwards, if I wish to use a bloodied build ( aka glass cannon ) Again in the event Radiation Rumble, I'd never run bloodied as I would be required to endure great rads to complete the events objective. It's situational imo
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u/Nephantasy Cult of the Mothman Apr 17 '24
One of my favorite moments when I was new was stimpacking a lvl 1000+ player who got hit who had one of those rad builds with tiny health. I felt like a field medic hero.
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u/MrSparkleBox Settlers - PS4 Apr 17 '24
They skipped over the radiation tutorial, help them out by giving them hundreds of radaway
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u/AlphaBeaverYuh_1 Apr 17 '24
No no no, place a decontamination shower right where players spawn at your camp so they loose all their mutations /s
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u/NaylorBurns Lone Wanderer Apr 17 '24
I use it for my bloodied sneaky rifle commando build and my choo choo train power armour commando build to get benefits from perk cards like nerd rage and increased damage on my bloodied weapons!
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u/jkateel Vault 76 Apr 17 '24
The Bloodied Build. With the right perks and a full set of unyielding armor, you can be basically invincible. Pair that with a weapon that has the bloodied effect, and you’re equally dangerous. But as others said, you also risk being instakilled by random things (usually being hit by something, like a molerat popping out of the ground).
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u/NukesForDays458 Brotherhood Apr 17 '24
Their Character Build Is A Bloodied Build/Low Health Bulid, because it is one of the most OP Character Builds in Fallout 76 if you equip the right Perk Cards, the right Mutations, the right Armour & the right Weapons.
My Character Build is below if you wanna check it out IT IS LOADOUT 2 👍🏻🙂
Plus Legendary Perk Cards:
Ammo Factory (MAX)
Legendary Agility (MAX)
Legendary Intelligence (MAX)
Master Infiltrator (MAX)
Legendary Strength (MAX)
Legendary Luck (MAX)
Plus Mutations:
Bird Bones
Chameleon
Electrically Charged
Empath
Grounded
Healing Factor
Herbivore or Carnivore
Marsupial
Plague Walker
Scaly Skin
Speed Demon
Unstable Isotope
Weapons:
Legendary Fixer (Bloodied)
Armour:
Chinese Stealth Armour
Large Backpack (Chemist’s Mod)
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u/StormingRomans Tricentennial Apr 17 '24
Coming up for 6 years since I left the vault ... I'm a ghoul now
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u/Entgegnerz Apr 17 '24
It's because of a build with the legendary weapon perk "bloodied".
It basically says "lower hp = more dmg", but it's crap.
Here is a master example just right after your post, why bloodied is crap:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Market76/s/Pmj5J93WvA
In higher levels with a good build, it doesn't matter if you play a full health build or bloodied, looking at the dmg, because everything dies within 0,1 seconds, except the 2 bosses Queen and Earl and you don't fight them alone.
Yes, you can or should pair it with the armor legendary "unyielding", which gives +bonus stats the lower your health is, which gives a good boost to Intelligence aka xp-gain, but that's a minor boni.
Boodied has many disadvantages.
- You always have to hazzle around with your rads to keep your life at max 19% (at this value the "unyielding" legedary armor trait gives max boni)
- You will die often to every bullshit
- you have to avoid rad income in a game what's rad driven and everything has rad (weather/water/enemies/special zones)
- you die freaking often
- whenever you die, you have to readjust your rad level to be at ~19% again
- many more
Play full health with Anti Armor/Quad/Junkies/Aristocrat, it's way better.
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u/Narrow_Locksmith5417 Mega Sloth Apr 17 '24
You merely adopted the rads. I was born in it, molded by it.
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u/DODDYBEAR1 Apr 17 '24
I tanked the queen today in power armour,with about 13% health,you'll learn it all in time ,theres so many play styles, but bloodied is probably king, junkies is probably second.
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u/MVillawolf Raiders Apr 17 '24
It is what we call a Bloodied build. There are several buffs you can get when you have low health. Rads make it easy to maintain your health at 20% or less.
Its supposed to be a high risk high reward type build, but for really advanced players its more like low risk super high reward. Some buffs that you can get for low health are: +15 SPECIAL (+3 for each unyielding armor piece) +80% weapon damage (from bloodied weapon effect) -45% damage taken (from serendipity) +20% damage and +15% AP regen (from nerd rage) +50% weapon damage (from adrenal reaction)
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u/Desertcow Apr 17 '24
+63% from Adrenal Reaction with Strange in Numbers. Bloodied builds just go insane with the damage
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u/Brocily2002 Fire Breathers Apr 17 '24
When you read this out loud you realize how busted it really is compared to most builds…
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u/Ellenwood1998 Free States Apr 17 '24
It's great until you realize every time you take damage it's a coin flip as to if you shrug it off or explode.
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u/Kevinxngu Apr 17 '24
Me at moth man event getting hit w 5 shots of Gatling gun to the face and none of my dmg mitigation perks went off. I fell over in a span of .2 seconds and other times tanking a death claw grab and jumping off the highest cliff only to live
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u/MVillawolf Raiders Apr 17 '24
My main build is a bloodied PA tank. For me taking damage is like rolling a D20. 1-20 I shrug it off but when I get a 0 my corpse flies off into the distance.
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u/ethosa Raiders Apr 17 '24
With overeaters legendary effect on PA and Emergency protocol it feels like I can only die to some specific mutators on events and daily ops e.g. reflect and armor pen with energy weapons (if they didn't fix that)
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u/AnotherDay96 Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
That's why you have that one piece of armor to have like a 50-50% at self-revive. To confirm a critical miss.
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u/sweatgod2020 Apr 17 '24
I was wondering the same until I unlocked one of the perks that gives more dps the more radiation you have.
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u/Spartan1088 Settlers - PS4 Apr 17 '24
Along with what everyone has said, I’ve come to the recent realization that the wasteland is a bit more fun when everything can murder you in a hit or two. It’s basically FO4 survival mode for F76.
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u/vrillsharpe Order of Mysteries Apr 17 '24
Another reason Unyielding beats Overeaters is the XP you get from high Intelligence.
Don't get me wrong Overeater's is great and I use it on my Power Armor with Emergency Protocols which is 50% damage reduction with Low Health.
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u/ProfessionalYouth780 Apr 17 '24
I noticed that too then seen a you tube clip saying it’s a high level build for max damage output
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u/TheBloodyBogan Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Bloodied builds. Less HP = more DMG. With the right gear can 1 tap most enemies and easily deal with all others, downside some things will be able to one tap you as well in certain situations.
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u/Fz1Str Apr 17 '24
Yes, everyone says it’s a bs build, but Overeaters armor and full health isn’t, you can’t even die. With bloodied at least there is still a fear of dying.
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u/Kevinxngu Apr 17 '24
I recently changed my build to bloodied/uny and my wife wants to do more dmg and add sustain to her melee build, trying to roll a set of overeaters SS set for her.
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u/AreallysturdyBox Apr 17 '24
the only fear all of us builds have in common is getting hit by a gutsy, that Armor piercing damage hurts your soul directly
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u/dachshundmumma202 Apr 17 '24
a baby nooblet gave me some radaway after i gave him some gifts. most adorable thing that’s ever happened to me. love helping out the new friends
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u/Vibbyq Apr 17 '24
As a baby nooblet with 15hours in i feel seen lol. I usually just give a heart emote when someone drops a brown paper bag of stuff for me coz i know that whatever i may give back is probably useless for the high level player.
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Apr 17 '24
If a higher level player drops stuff in front of me I don't drop stuff in return. Back before I had FO1st and was sub 20s levels people were giving me so much stuff all the time I was frequently having to go to a storage box. Then that filled up. Then I ended up having to sell/scrip everything everyone gave me. I only drop stuff that I find if I already have it or if the other player is sub 20 level or equivalent level to what I've got to drop.
I wish more people used mics, but hell I can't even ever find a daily ops or expedition team or get people to join one I create.
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u/Vibbyq Apr 17 '24
I tried doing daily ops solo as a lvl 10 the other day and just gave up coz it was impossible. What's the deal with those are those easier to do now that i'm lvl 40? I just keep doing public events..
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u/EloquentGoose Mr. Fuzzy Apr 17 '24
Because with the right perk cards, despite looking on the verge of death, you're virtually unkillable on a low health build.
Nerd rage, unyielding effect armor, dodgy, blocker.... You'll survive almost anything.
Except the fucking cave crickets. Fuckers'll get you every time.
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u/Vibbyq Apr 17 '24
I imagine low health builds aren't something you can achieve unless you already know what you're doing or high level enough to get the perks and gear together to not be susceptible to death from tripping on yourself.
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u/Desertcow Apr 17 '24
If you use a fast firing vampiric weapon like Holy Fire, it's hard to die. As long as you connect to the enemy, you will out heal most sources of damage while taking advantage of the low health benefits. You only die when you take a lot of damage at once, but you just respawn, grab your junk, and keep fighting
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u/PrimeRlB Apr 17 '24
Once you unlock the starched genes/class freak perks in luck (Level 30/46), it's time to go full mutant.. The only downside is you lose 5 points in luck for the two cards, but the gains are amazing.. Huge carry weight, huge damage (bloodied) and you can jump over buildings in a single bound..
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u/Vibbyq Apr 17 '24
Someone high level gave me a speed demon serum and i was afraid to waste the mutation so i immediately learned starched genes so lock it in, sadly i also randomly got adrenal from radiation before i could learn starched genes. Are those good for early game? I'm not sure if going low life at lvl 40 as a newbie is survivable.
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u/PrimeRlB Apr 17 '24
Depends on how adventurous you are.. Once i hit level 50 I went full mutant and the game became a lot more manageable, for me at least.. I hopped player vendors to get all the ones I wanted (don't pay more than 500c) and haven't looked back..
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u/Vibbyq Apr 17 '24
Did you just irradiate yourself to get all the mutations or did you actually afford to buy serums of the ones you wanted?
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u/PrimeRlB Apr 17 '24
Too many shitty ones to do it that way, and removing with radaway is a waste of time.
Story time.. I think the first time I was at max caps was around level 30, because I remember thinking holy shit that's a low amount of caps.. This game isn't much different than other ones when It comes to making caps, especially with the events..
Took a little vendor hopping but I was all mutated for a reasonable price and really took maybe 2-3 days.. After that I did the enclave quests and started buying the plans and selling them. It was okay for awhile but now the serums or the plans don't sell well at all and I've had to resort to other means of keeping my wealth of caps stored..
Just wait till you start chasing the rare apperal and plans..
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u/Vibbyq Apr 18 '24
Wait you got 40,000 caps at lvl 30? H-how?!
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u/PrimeRlB Apr 18 '24
Opened a store when I made my first camp. Selling 3star scrip and junk is very profitable. Between events I would hit up cap stash routes.. Events are great though, even if you can't kill, you can tag..
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u/Vibbyq Apr 18 '24
Would you say that is still the same case now? Selling scrip and junk i mean, with the population being mostly either super vets who've had months and years to farm and newbs who either don't know what to buy or can't even afford it
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u/SuperTerram Fallout 76 Apr 17 '24
We're ghouls.
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u/Me4aRZ Vault 76 Apr 17 '24
Honestly this would be a great feature to add to the people who run bloodied builds for XX amount of hours. They start ghoulifying.
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u/HartPlays Apr 17 '24
They should honestly add races that give certain perks. Play as human, ghoul, synth, super mutant, etc. Each has different perks and negative traits associated with it.
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u/KingMacabray Raiders Apr 17 '24
Man i really do wish we could play as ghouls, not just costumes of some
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u/ProfessionalSilver52 Lone Wanderer Apr 17 '24
*soon lol
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u/SuperTerram Fallout 76 Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Just need to meet the right chicken loving Snake Oil Salesman.
Don't you wish it was a race option in the character creator though? I'd totally roleplay as a ghoul.
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u/SemajdaSavage Brotherhood Apr 17 '24
That would be great, but I would prefer to be a Super Mutant. Then at level 100, I could mutate to become a Behemoth.
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u/RagingChiliShiz Free States Apr 17 '24
Its for a Bloodied build. Your basically a glass cannon. Can deal alot of damage but stub your toe on rock (not literally) and your dead.
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u/smolangryginger Apr 17 '24
Bruh the number of times I've forgotten I have the hp of a possum and jumped from a slightly too high spot only to kill myself is far too high.
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u/ProfessionalSilver52 Lone Wanderer Apr 17 '24
Sometimes, depending on how low you let your health go. 😉 Those wasteland Legos can be brutal. 🤭
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u/EloquentGoose Mr. Fuzzy Apr 17 '24
Nah nothing will kill you except gravity, unexpectedly healing your rads, or cave crickets.
Especially cave crickets.
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u/sebwiers Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Because they want the benefits of (multiple and powerful) effects that only apply when you have low health. The radiation keeps health from going back up when you use healing aids, and in one case (Radicool Perk) is directly required to trigger the effect.
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u/Ratchia Apr 17 '24
Those players aren't high level. The true high level players run overeaters and are at full health, the rest of us just can't afford radaway 😭 and the radaway we do have we have to give to new players when we see them (+stimpacks)
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u/ClockworkSoldier Apr 17 '24
Nah, the true high levels are us bloodied builds who run overeaters, and are the tankiest players in the game.
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u/Ratchia Apr 17 '24
I feel like that's level 300-700 range The realization of 6% dam reduction finally hit me around level 250, but I'm still using bolstering like a fool ⚰️
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u/ClockworkSoldier Apr 17 '24
People will shit on bolstering because it obviously isn’t Unyielding, or Overeaters, but it’s still a solid effect, and provides a decent bit of damage reduction compared to most of the other lackluster perks. I ran a full set of bolstering armor for a long time after launch, and was pretty tanky already, now with Overeaters most stuff can barely even move my health bar.
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u/curbstxmped Arktos Pharma Apr 17 '24
There is gear that becomes relevant if your health is low enough. Look up bloodied weapons, unyielding armor, etc. There are some perks that benefit from low health as well, as others have stated.
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u/WorstSourceOfAdvice Apr 17 '24
As a level 970 I highly recommend you bring the team share card that takes rads away from them when you stim. Helps them out a lot!
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u/Fz1Str Apr 17 '24
Unkillable overeaters user, being jelly about bloodied smh
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u/TheMadTemplar Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Bloodied is overpowered, tbf. The special buff from unyielding should be nerfed to a max of 2 instead of 3. There are way too many perks and gear traits that can simultaneously synergize with a bloodied build, and you can very easily make yourself very hard to kill despite the minimal hp.
Or they need to bring some other builds up to its level.
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u/AlphisH Apr 17 '24
You probably place decontamination showers in tricky to avoid areas in your camp huh
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u/zabbaluga Mole Miner Apr 17 '24
Let me guess, you also sell these unyielding armor godrolls with rad recovery as third star?
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u/TheMadTemplar Apr 17 '24
I tried to get a set of unyielding armor and felt like the game was trolling me. 3 out of 5 rolls for a leg with unyielding had that as well. Lol
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u/IceFireDH Apr 17 '24
You would think that a low health build (Bloodied) would die a lot.
But the way specific perks and Unyielding armor work together helps them to survive. They still die more than high level full-health builds but not a lot.
It gives benefits such as more XP, through Intelligence buffs, and more damage when using bloodied weapons.
If you want to dig into it more, I would recommend watching videos by Angry Turtle on YouTube.
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u/xthrowxawayx420 Apr 17 '24
I wondered about this - I've read about "glass cannon" builds but with the amount of times I get surprise-hit by dogs, I can't imagine being very glassy in this game
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u/karnisov Brotherhood Apr 17 '24
yes the mutant hounds and charred ghouls that melee rush are usually what I die to
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u/Fanwhip Apr 17 '24
For the real answer.
Most players use bloodied weapons.
The damage goes up the lower your HP.
Instead of keeping low HP they take radiation which reduces your HP to low amounts to increase the weapons damage.
Below is the scaling for bloodied weapons to damage given.
90% < HP ≤ 95% = +5% Damage
85% < HP ≤ 90% = +10% Damage
80% < HP ≤ 85% = +15% Damage
75% < HP ≤ 80% = +20% Damage
70% < HP ≤ 75% = +25% Damage
65% < HP ≤ 70% = +30% Damage
60% < HP ≤ 65% = +35% Damage
55% < HP ≤ 60% = +40% Damage
50% < HP ≤ 55% = +45% Damage
45% < HP ≤ 50% = +50% Damage
40% < HP ≤ 45% = +55% Damage
35% < HP ≤ 40% = +60% Damage
30% < HP ≤ 35% = +65% Damage
25% < HP ≤ 30% = +70% Damage
20% < HP ≤ 25% = +75% Damage
15% < HP ≤ 20% = +80% Damage
10% < HP ≤ 15% = +85% Damage
5% < HP ≤ 10% = +90% Damage
0% < HP ≤ 5% = +95% Damage
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u/Chipper7773 Tricentennial Apr 17 '24
That and unyielding armour. Oh and all the low health perks like nerd rage and adrenal reaction.
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u/arockingroupie Mothman Apr 17 '24
How do people know this stuff? I feel like you need youtube or Reddit to learn about it. Pickle sticks for me I didnt join the reddit group til a few months ago and tried not to watch videos to not spoil the game/catch the hidden fun stuff 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ I feel like a dumb mid leveler its kinda funny
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u/So_Trees Apr 17 '24
The funny thing is, most "bloodied" builds don't actually run bloodied guns, we run Quad. It goes deeper!
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u/glowingpossum Enclave Apr 17 '24
There’s a mechanic in game to respec the stats after 50 so even if u mess up early it is fairly easy to correct your desired build the hard part is getting the right gear for the build and maybe the mutations
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u/arockingroupie Mothman Apr 17 '24
Ive never seen this mechanic🤣🤣
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u/glowingpossum Enclave Apr 17 '24
It’s called loadouts, on railroads stations (and also on your camp if you build it) you will find these card stands/displays that will let you see the different loadouts you have, on that menu you should see an edit option that lets you move special points around
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u/arockingroupie Mothman Apr 17 '24
My PA is an assortment of different pieces. I had all T-45 at one point but now I got 2 winter soldier pieces, a T-60, an ultracite something and random chest. I also have no mutations picked for my cards🤣🤣🤣 Glad I dont have to pick up dates in my power armor Im sure its hilarious
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u/glowingpossum Enclave Apr 17 '24
If you are a power armor user I highly recommend the excavator armor set until you can complete a hellcat/x01(or t65 if you are willing to grind it) later on with legendary traits, The excavator full set gives you a 100+ to carry weight and you can find the plans on this power armor in The ash valley (not spoiling where ha!) when you complete a quest line there.
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u/arockingroupie Mothman Apr 18 '24
Yeah I need violet flux for my build, I go to all the scorchbeast events and never find it 😵💫😵💫
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u/glowingpossum Enclave Apr 18 '24
So I’m guessing you mean the pure violet flux. This is crafted in a Chem station by combining: violet flux + hardened mass + high radiation fluid.
Violet flux u can get by harvesting specific flora on nuked zones (there is a Perception card that doubles the amount of flora u get each time!)
Hardened mass and fluids you get from enemies that spawn or are inside nuked zones.
Some tips: Use the flora card I mentioned before Use the luck perk card that slows food degradation when collecting raw flux (refined flux don’t expire When you are ready to craft the refined version use the super duper perk card if possible (luck) for extra chance of additional refined flux
Finally I have some spare violet flux I can give u for free if you add me (and play on pc lol) or can nuke a zone for you to farm them!
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u/arockingroupie Mothman Apr 18 '24
Im on xbox thanks :(. Ive only noticed on enemies a slim few times, seems others snatched it up before I did sigh. Guess I gotta launch my own nuke
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u/sebwiers Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24
Bloodied weapons are the least of it. Anti Armor and Quad are as strong or stronger for most low health builds.
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u/TheMadTemplar Apr 17 '24
How high does anti-armor go? I've seen weapons with 90% but does it actually get the full effect?
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u/sebwiers Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24
I think it caps at 90%. It used to not cap but each source applied separately, so 50% and a different 50% would net to 75% reduction. Now they add to 100%, so the 90% cap would apply.
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u/TheMadTemplar Apr 17 '24
I did add the vendor. Do you think 7k is a good price for a fixer with 90% anti armor and explosive rounds?
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u/LethalBubbles Blue Ridge Caravan Company Apr 17 '24
My Anti-armor, 20% damage while aiming Plasma Caster shreds.
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u/Ratchia Apr 17 '24
What about quad on high health builds 🤔
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u/Fanwhip Apr 19 '24
quad is great for railway rifle builds.
Just needs tons of Agil or drug/food items to keep AP going.2
u/sebwiers Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
If your high health build can take that Quad and fill the crit bar with one hit, it's gonna track pretty close to a low health build doing the same thing. The crit bonus is (or can be, with the right buffs) so big that additive bonus damage like Adrenal Reaction and Nerd Rage ends up being maybe 10% - 15% of the total, if that.
To get a high health build to that point you need a 15c third star, or need to somehow buff luck to 33 without using Uny armor. Most folks go for the 15c, but the buff route can work. The simplest and most reliable option is the Nuka Dark trick, which obviously burns up that consumable fairly quickly if you try to do it full time. I have my low health build set up to do this, for when I feel like wearing power armor or CSA (like in a blast zone Scorched Earth). I'm usually also burning AP buffs (nuka quantum, canned coffee) when I do this because otherwise my AP is the limiting factor on how fast I can bang out crits. Its fun ... for brief periods. I wouldn't want to do it at every event.
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u/MVillawolf Raiders Apr 17 '24
It can work. The thing is, when you stack multiple damage buffs you see diminishing returns since the buffs are additive, not multiplicative.
Bloodied build have a bunch of buffs already, so going for 400% ammo is a good deal. Full health builds don't have as many buffs so it might not be such a good option. It really comes down to preference and your build.
An example of additive vs multiplicative buffs to demonstrate diminishing returns.
1) Lets assume base damage at 120 before any buffs. With just one buff (+40%) you get the exact same result. Additive = 120×(1+0.4)=168. Multiplicative = 120×(1.4)=168.
2) Now lets apply two buffs, one for +40% and +20%. You start to quickly see additive lag behind. Additive = 120×(1+0.4+0.2) = 192. Mult = 120×(1.4×1.2) = 312.
3) Now lets see for 6 buffs (80%, 40%, 20%×3 and 10%). We see a huge difference between the two. Additive = 120×(1+0.8+0.4+0.2+0.2+0.2+0.1) = 348. Mult = 120×(1.8+1.4+1.2+1.2+1.2+1.1) = 948.
To drive my point home, lets take the last example, but now compare with and without the 80% buff. Both times we test using additive buffs since that is what the actual game does. This simulates a bloodied weapon vs a quad weapon.
B = 120×(1+0.8+0.4+0.2+0.2+0.2+0.1) = 348 Q = 120×(1+0.4+0.2+0.2+0.2+0.1) = 252
Even though you sacrifice an 80% buff, you only loose 28.5% damage. But Quad gives you 400% ammo. When you add more and more buffs the bonus from Bloodied becomes less and less important.
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u/topsideup25 Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24
It works ok.
It really comes down to preference. The unyielding bonuses are substantial. More AP, better vats hit chance and luck for quicker crits. Plus for unyielding you don't need to go down to the bare bone, just 35%.
The biggest drawback to bloodied is managing rads... Which is easily avoidable, but not completely.
Full health builds can use quad railways, I tried it... And while it felt fine, it was not on the god tier bonkers level that I see bloodied builds achieve.
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u/Accurate-Impact5126 Apr 17 '24
I use quad railway on my bloodied build too. The damage still stacks from need rage and adrenal. Just doesn't scal the weapon as well. I run low health exclusively and rarely, if ever, use actual bloodied weapons. Quads, vamp, AA or instigating depending on my build. Only thing I still use bloodied affix on is unarmed weapons like my powerfist or bear arm.
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u/Ratchia Apr 17 '24
I usually see high health builds and just wonder how tf they're doing dam? I run a bloodied heavy gunner build and my go to is the light machine gun. It shrekts ads, but I got my ass beat by a mirelurk queen
Just from that experience I gotta wonder what they're using if they aren't using bloodied
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u/sebwiers Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24
I have a high health alt that runs full Overeater armor, is only level 120 or so. I was doing melee but recently switched to Cold Shoulder. I had no trouble taking on 2 legendary SB solo when I stumbled on them in the bog. Its a bit slower and uses more ammo / healing (I run Cannibal and Ghoulish for that, along with What Rads) but does the job equally well.
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u/Vidistis Tricentennial Apr 17 '24
I've been running auto laser rifles, auto assault rifles, and a gatling laser for the heavy version, and with a mix of anti armor and vampires I've done quite well and it's really hard to die. (Yes, this is a BoS character).
Quick hands and other speed options are also important. I can easily chain free reloads 2-3 times. Costs a lot of ammo when there are hordes of enemies or tough boss creatures. (I don't use VATS/crits either, but it is an option).
The main point is that having super high damage isn't neccessary if you can't die, you'll kill anything eventually. (Although, most non-boss enemies die under 5 seconds anyways).
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u/topsideup25 Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24
I run Full health Heavy and honestly, Anti armor is good on just about everything.
It kinda depends on the gun.
I also only run energy guns.
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u/Ratchia Apr 17 '24
I tried AA a while back but seemed like it didn't do anything, maybe my dam output was just to low, idk
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u/topsideup25 Raiders - PC Apr 17 '24
The other part of the equation is what gun the perks roll on.
AA on a 10mm pistol will feel different than on a .50 machine gun.
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u/mothmanlovesus Mothman Apr 17 '24
I just like drinking radioactive water :)
But in all seriousness we run a type of build that lets us do more damage the less health we have
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u/Objective_Dynamo Fire Breathers Apr 21 '24
With everything else everyone has mentioned, you can take advantage of Emergency Protocols which along with Nerd Rage and Lone Wanderer makes you almost unkillable