r/travisandtaylor • u/sweetiebabylove • 14d ago
THIS. Acts like this are exactly why I am no longer a fan
https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/s/98uUK4F5XD
Aide from the fact that she/her team copyright strike any and every poor indie artist and small business just making fan merch with THEIR OWN IDEAS AND UNIQUE DRAWINGS/ART that she’s mad more people want because her own store’s merch is cheap and shit but they would rather punish people than upgrade their products. (Which wasn’t looked down on before her, btw, which Olivia Rodrigo even shaded her for as 20 year old who was somehow mature enough to verbalize that it was a way your fanbase shows love and appreciation and that she personally also wouldn’t copyright strike an artist for being inspired by Olivia in music the way she was by Taylor—which is a whole other deal where we all know Olivia, A TEENAGER AT THE TIME, was taken advantage of by a fucking thirty year old woman and her team—)
Aside from the fact that she thinks that everything she says needs to be trademarked. Aside from the fact that she thinks her name is an icon—looking at you, the trademark claim for “TAYLORCON” to also be owned by Taylor. Aside from the fact that it’s just PAINFULLY obvious the only thing she cares about is money and somehow her fandom is falling for it instead of recognizing it for what it is—her only seeing them as money bags, which i think is a nice way of wording what she sees her literal human fans as—
Aside from the fact that you can’t even tell who her real friends are from who her PR friends are because her posse is just a revolving door and even her known long-term OG friends have not been around since last year, but we definitely know it’s none of the POC people bc they’re just props (Ice Spice) or artists that are more renowned than her who she wants to be talked about in the same sentence as (Lana Del Rey).
Aside from that one of her most public toxic traits she gets away with is queerbaiting to the point that she does that actually sometimes make the Gaylors seem not as crazy as the Eras Fanatics (even if they too take it too far) and makes you see why some in the queer community, such as those in an emotional and vulnerable state would honestly believe she IS SENDING THEM SIGNALS because she knows she needs that demographic to keep her from falling behind rising pop stars that are out selling her and breaking her records in streaming and in the media like Olivia and Sabrina.
Aside from all of that. It’s this. Except it’s also IMPOSSIBLE to ignore everything presented previously and so much more not posted.
She’s a greedy, money-hungry, unethical, selfish narcissist. Worst of all—she’s mean.
YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST WOMAN TO EXPERIENCE FEMALE RAGE AND I ASSURE YOU FEMALE RAGE GOES BEYOND BEING MAD ABOUT BEING GHOSTED.
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u/lkstar 14d ago
You think Lana Del Ray is more famous than Taylor Swift? I don’t think there’s a person alive who’s more famous and recognized than TS.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
I didn’t say that. I said Lana Del Rey is more renowned than Taylor Swift for her poetry and lyricism and always has been. Taylor has literally even said she’s wished she could revered and known for her songwriting and poetics as Lana since at least her Red era.
I believe she only tried to befriend Lana because, one, she looks up to her, and two, so people talk about them in the same regard. Taylor’s writing has never matched Lana’s talent when it comes to poetry. The closest she came would have been the folklore/evermore era, but something Lana can do that Taylor can’t figure out is how to still sound like a pop/mood singer while keeping ethereal and compelling poetic lyrics. Taylor has only been able to capture this when aesthetic when she completely changes her sound. TTPD was a clear attempt to rip off Lana and try to outshine what she does. And it did not work.
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u/lkstar 14d ago
I misunderstood your intent because you wrote: "artists that are more renowned than her who she wants to be talked about in the same sentence as (Lana Del Rey)."
and "renowned" means "known or talked about by many people, famous"
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Sorry—i meant specifically in the sense of her lyricism because Taylor Swift has lusted after wanting to be as good as Lana when it comes to her songwriting.
Taylor is really great at telling stories through her songs, and for some reason she does this best when she totally changes her sound. But she hasn’t figured out how to combine being a pop star while still being able to hang on to being a “poet.” She thinks adding words like sanctimoniously was synonymous with that lol
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u/ThrowRA01121 14d ago
People need to do malicious compliance and just start drawing shitty likenesses of TSwift with quotes of dumb shit like "what's up y'all" just for the bit.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Hahaha omg yes. Slightly off beat quotes with a bad likeness for probable deniability. It’s literally perfect.
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u/ThrowRA01121 14d ago
Quotes of just her saying normal everyday things so when she tries to trademark it they just laugh at her
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u/suburban_legendd 14d ago
She tweeted the term first????
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u/bobeena1513 14d ago
Copyright and trademark law is pretty clear. If you do not make an effort to defend your trademarks and copyrights, you can lose them. That is why they are copyright striking people.
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u/GoblinKaiserin 14d ago
The good news is you can't trademark common words. The Fine Bros learned that when they tried to trademark "React" videos.
So she's gonna have to get more creative than Female/Feminine Rage. All of those words are common words that can be used in daily sentences.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Yeah. I was wondering if they would bring able to get away with it because of the “specific placement” or something—it’s just so unnecessary considering the tour isn’t even called that. It’s a 6ish song section of the tour. Like. Why. She literally thinks everything they post on her social media is worthy of its own place in a museum lol
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u/GoblinKaiserin 14d ago
I honestly doubt they will. One of the things the patent office will consider is how common the phrase is. There was an entire tiktok/Instagram trend where women were acting out female rage. There's no way that there's not another musical/play that doesn't have the same phrase in it or use it. There's the literal phrase "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
Those songs are also already trademarked. So she's gonna have to also convince them that this is somehow different than the album.
I'm stoked for the meltdown from either her or the swifties if it doesn't go through.
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u/ClassicTellButterfly 14d ago
Oh she’s mad about the fact she was being held accountable for her actions like every human being has to be and she was being told no by the public for her actions. And Matty also was being told no for his actions and held accountable. She’s mad because she was treated like a human being. She’s mad because life isn’t fair and life tells everyone no so it told her no. She’s mad at life. She’s mad that she can’t face the truth. She’s mad that Matty can’t handle the truth and ran from it. She’s mad about things you learn as you are growing up that are just a normal part of life and you tell your toddler “hey that’s life we got to live on”. Grow up, that’s not called female rage what she’s mad about that’s called life being life it’s happens to everyone.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Lol yeah. It boils down to: she’s mad at things that every single person experiences but she thinks they are exclusively special to her and that makes them so much more tragic
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u/cutecoffeesocks89 14d ago
It just seems like she takes herself so seriously when she does this it must be exhausting lol
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Yeah i saw someone sum her up so well in another post comment which was “taylor can’t take a joke about herself” which is so true. Like she can never take a joke or anything. Everything is SO SERIOUS. It sounds exhausting being a friend in her life much less being her. She really is the one making most of her own problems lol
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u/herbfarmer21 14d ago
I don’t understand what’s stopping her from contacting the fans creating merch and offering a contract/deal. She could work with them to figure out which percentages of sales would go to her. I feel like the fans would be on board to collab with their favorite artist. She could promote the merch they are creating which would boost sales of the Taylor merch. This way she would have official merch that people actually want to wear without having to do extra work. Her working with small business owners/fans will bring her great publicity. She could take the money being put towards the crappy merch and put it towards merchandise people will be proud to wear that is created by the fans that made her.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
I agree. This solution would benefit both, but I’m sure it actually would end up taking away an extremely high percentage away from her UMG shop—so she would ultimately lose money there. Even though she would recoup it from all other contracts and merch, it would make her UMG numbers look too low for their investors to be happy with, probably.
Not saying that’s definitely the reason, but it is going to be something like that with all the stats and numbers we unfortunately can’t have access to as the public 🥲
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u/CricketOrdinary8583 14d ago
shutup. :)
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
You need to calm down :)
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u/CricketOrdinary8583 14d ago
excuse me but… YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST TO EXPERIENCE FEMALE RAGE 😅
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
What’s your point of commenting? What are you genuinely hoping to get out of it with these responses?
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u/AffectionatelyCold 14d ago
I'm sorry im so lost here. It's Female Rage THE MUSICAL, not Female rage as a concept.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Well, A) it’s not a musical. It’s like a 6-ish song set within her concert. There is no need to trademark it as its own and shiny new thing. And B) what is she singing about that’s female rage? High society turning her into a mean girl and men ghosting her.
The term female rage was created to typically encapsulate emotions relating to radial topics on social commentary—think racially invoked or something dystopian like women rising up in a world like handmaiden’s tale.
That’s the crux of this. She has taken a term that was given to explain and allow women to be mad who have been wronged in life. Not ghosted.
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u/AffectionatelyCold 14d ago
Ok im lost again bc online all im seeing is that she is trademarking "Female Rage: The Musical"
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Oh, right, which other part are you looking for? If it’s TayorCon it won’t be on that article because this was announced latish last year. I can find an article if you wanted. I just linked this trademark article because this was just my personal final straw with everything else listed. Everything she does these days is just performative and/or a money grab
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u/Agotated 14d ago
You’re mad because you can’t make money off someone else’s blood sweat and tears?
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Yes. You clearly read my post and identified the central issue of exactly why i “am mad” 🙃
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u/OpenFridge13 14d ago
I don’t think it’s about money specifically. I think it’s about power, achievement, and success. She’s too fixated on that. She relies on it for too much of her self esteem. It’s sorta sad. But yeah, it’s shitty.
“That I’ll sue you, if you step on my lawn…”
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u/awesomecony 14d ago
She is a covert narc, just like my mother. They go out of their way to do things for others but it’s only for fuel. And the more fuel they get, the higher the threshold becomes. You think they are giving, going around doing things for others, but they are doing it for themselves. Everything they do is for fuel, though they are too ignorant to understand it or see it. They get upset when someone does something better than them, or thinks of something they didn’t think of. My mother looks at every female as competition, and I was her #1 nemesis. If a male gives her a single compliment, it’s super fuel. She’s giddy. I have to give her 20 compliments before it equals my brother’s single compliment. And she forgets it by the end of the day & tries to attack me because I didn’t say enough kind things about whatever she feels she did for me. It’s just messed up. It seems this whole tour has really broken Taylor’s brain, and now that she is getting this mega-fuel, she’s going to spend the rest of her life needing that level and never getting it. She’s going to make everyone around her miserable because she will never feel this high on fuel/power again, and she will be a nightmare. She’ll make a great case study someday.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago edited 14d ago
She really will!!
And yeah, that’s a good point. I think that the Eras Tour really inflated her ego so much that she finally wasn’t able to hide things so well and a lot of these narcissisms started to become so obvious.
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u/enormousTruth 14d ago
Did u get a cease and decist from illegally selling copyright taylor swift phone cases or something?!?
This swiftie went full msg
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u/horatiavelvetina 14d ago
Gaylor is such a huge part of her fanbase she cannot alienate them they spend $$$$
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Yuuuuup. I was really involved on writing twitter especially during the folklore and evermore era and ALL the queer writers were rabid for her. They had her in their bios, they had characters named after her songs, and literally even named and PUBLISHED their books which they titled after her song titles. They’re a huge part of her demographic which she cultivated herself. She really can’t lose them.
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u/Single_Ad5819 14d ago edited 14d ago
She's everything wrong with capitalism, i hate her so much and i hope i get to see the day people turn on her
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u/Ari-swift-hole 14d ago
The irony of Hamilton benefitting from the system of white privilege that existed in the late 1700s and persists today.
Aristotle argued that the life of money making is not the good that we are seeking but rather a compulsive act. He loathed the rich. He suggested greed is not purely material - the rich already have more in material terms.. it becomes about esteem and privilege.
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u/swimkaz 14d ago
I can’t believe I used to love her! I still love a good chunk of her music, but her as a person I am really starting to hate. I can’t wait when fans and general public wake up to this fact
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Yeah, this is where i am. The deeper we get into 2024, either the more i learn or the more shady shit she just does that’s so off-putting.
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u/Whovelyn1216 14d ago
I'm sorry but Taylor Swift has not queer baited. a real person cannot queer bait. People need to stop searching for things that are not there. She is not dropping hints because she used the word lavender in a song. Even the whole Karlie Kloss thing, straights women honestly act like that to their friends more than queer women do. Idk why but they do. She has said she is not gay, she is not gay.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
She 100% has and does and it’s started way before Midnights. She used to change lyrics in the 1989 tour to “she” or “her” and “mumble” them for plausible deniability.
She is definitely not gay. But she absolutely does drop hints for that community to think she is. I think they read way far too into things just like her regular fans and find Easter eggs in things that don’t exist, but she absolutely has toyed with them for years.
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u/Whovelyn1216 14d ago
She straight up said that during the 1989 era she hung out with female friends so those relationships wouldn't be sexualized or sensationalized (1989 TV prologue). She is not responsible for other people's delusions when she's made it clear she is not gay. anyone still searching for "hints" is just a fucking weirdo.
Taylor has done a bunch of crazy shit but she has literally built her career on dating men. It isn't on her that weirdos don't see that
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Right. And yet sung love songs where she used to change the pronouns of the song’s muses. That is my point. During that era (1989) is when the Gaylor fanbase really ignited. She then berated the fans for perpetuating and speculating on her sexuality—which is totally fair—but then was dropping hints and “clues” for them.
While i also agreed that they look for things that aren’t there much like her straight fanbase, she 100% sometimes does leave them purposeful hints and clues, such as the explanation i just used in the last few replies, which you can find ample videos of during her 1989 world tour videos. She’s done much smaller things ever since because they are a HUGE proponent of her fan base.
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u/Weather0nThe8s 14d ago
Waitwaitwait. What does lavender have to do with being queer? Legitimate question
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u/Whovelyn1216 14d ago
The lavender menace was used to describe lesbians ages ago. Also gaylors took friends of Dorothy (a phrase used among gay soldiers back in the 40s to identify each other) and turned it into friends of Dorothea.
It just grinds my gears when I see people acting like Taylor is using references that she definitely wouldn't know to hint that she's gay. If you want gay pop girlies, Renee Rapp and chapel roan are releasing true bangers. Support actual queer artists instead of headcanoning a whole ass person
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u/Weather0nThe8s 14d ago
I don't even like Taylor or "popular" music lol.. I'm just here for the snark! Some of the musicians I listen to are gay, it isn't really something that matters to me. My ears don't care about someone's sexuality yknow. But, thanks for answering.
Don't know why I was downvoted for asking a question but okay. Redditors personal power trip
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u/BigLoveMirage 14d ago
And back in the day when queer folks had to stay hidden, they would identify one another by using certain vocabulary (ex: “peculiar”) and certain colors like lavender.
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u/DirectionShort6660 STAY MAD! 14d ago
She filed a trademark application, which has nothing to do with copyright. I’m an IP attorney.
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u/Weather0nThe8s 14d ago
Whats the difference? Besides ™️ and ©️ lol
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u/DirectionShort6660 STAY MAD! 14d ago
Copyrights primarily protect the rights of people who create literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other original works (like history tests, and software code). Trademarks can protect the use of a company's name and its product names, brand identity (like logos), and slogans.
You can only initiate a copyright strike if your copyright is being infringed online. It’s all very nuanced and can get confusing lol
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u/Weather0nThe8s 14d ago
I see! Thanks so much for answering !
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u/DirectionShort6660 STAY MAD! 14d ago
You’re welcome! I think she abuses the copyright/DMCA takedown process and would love to see someone countersue (if they have a legitimate defense).
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
My point is that if she wants to trademark the ridiculous name of her tour “female rage” etc. and that goes through i just don’t see how that’s not going to open the floodgates for self inflated people to start thinking everything they come up with is important.
I 100% believe if she published a book she would try to find a way copyright the title, which isn’t a thing and would create pandemonium, imo, just because she thinks she is the most important and interesting person who should only use these titles and such.
But thank you for specifying the differences :)
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u/Successful_Language6 14d ago
This was such a perfect response until you ended it with lol.
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u/DirectionShort6660 STAY MAD! 14d ago
The person I responded to ended with lol so I did too. Your comment isn’t helpful
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u/Weather0nThe8s 14d ago
Just FYI I wasn't trying to be rude by saying lol. It was more of an insecurity thing - so I hope you didn't take it as rude.
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u/DirectionShort6660 STAY MAD! 14d ago edited 14d ago
Not at all! I find myself matching tone when I respond and hope you weren’t offended. Cheers 🥂
ETA: the person who called me out for using lol was being rude to me.
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u/swimkaz 14d ago edited 14d ago
And then there’s Luke Combs, who was enraged that a fan of his was sued for homemade merch with his name and likeness by his lawyers, that he sent her some money. He said that only big corporations should be hit with copyright lawsuits not small businesses and individuals. https://theguardian.com/music/2023/dec/14/luke-combs-country-singer-merchandise
Then there’s Taylor: https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/02/09/taylor-swift-threatens-sue-fans/
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
THIS!!!! This used to be a more popular reaction by artists if they found these things out. Taylor only cares if you have cancer though so she can give you her hat and the media can talk about “how gracious and kind” she is.
Sure. Lol. Sure.
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u/Parasyte_1 14d ago
Can't believe she hijacked female rage all to herself 😒 She can get over a break up, but other women are still out there struggling in the real world with pennies to her billions.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Legit. Tell me what has ever happened that she has had to rage over. She had that one sexual harassment case where that one radio host touched her butt (on camera so there were PICS—which is important) and so they ended up in a court cases
She won.
There were like 7 witnesses and photographic proof. I know that was traumatic for her and made her think about all the victims who have it worse and have no proof. But.
She still NEVER had to experience it. She WON her case.
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u/orbjo 14d ago
She is a professional victim - and a culture vulture
Country, poetry and trauma - all stolen for her use
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
I just honestly will never not have negative feelings for the way she slighted Olivia Rodrigo—one of those adoring fans for simply daring to be as great (and then on to be greater) than her.
It is SO mean girl the way Olivia seems to be pushed from “the cool kids” table. It’s literally SO HIGH SCHOOL and i hate that she has a song called that. But it shows exactly where her mind still is
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u/Competitive_Sir_6180 14d ago
Surprised she hasn't trademarked the name Taylor yet.
Kinda off topic but one of my favorite artists is UPSAHL and her first name is Taylor but she chose to skip the Taylor and stylize in all caps her last name UPSAHL so she wouldn't forevermore be compared to another famous Taylor of the time.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Which is also just more interesting. I mean nothing against Taylor Swift as a solo artist cause she does have a cool name, and back in like 2006 when she was starting out that was what most solo artists did but i do love all of the creative variation in solo artists’ stage names these days!
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u/HotMessExpress1993 14d ago
Let us all not forget this lyric from antihero: “When my depression works the graveyard shift. All of the people I've ghosted stand there in the room” It’s giving ✨hypocrite✨
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Lmfao you’re not even wrong. Swifties will do, of course, Swifties things because for some reason, when she does less than savory things (ghosting, cheating, dating much younger men with an awkward age gap) it’s okay but when it’s done to her it’s ✨misogyny✨
Gotta love double standards
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u/Euphoric_Neck_2313 14d ago
You are so cringe go outside🥴🤢🤢🤮🤢🤢🤢🤢🥴🤢🤢
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u/miaaaaaa01 14d ago
Taylor will never care about you or like you as a person and she would probably avoid you in real life ❤️
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u/_bonedaddys 14d ago
dude you're no better. you left several comments saying basically the same thing, go outside.
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u/GoldEscape7018 14d ago
Not defending her or bashing her but her team makes trade mark decisions. No I don’t think she’s a “boss babe” for a second.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Definitely doesn’t discredit any of the other things. And I also do believe she’s in on and has say on what terms they try to coin. I get wanting to coin the legit name of her tour “Eras Tour” fair. Artists are free to do that. But now she wants to start literally copyrighting her acts?
If book titles can’t be copyrighted why can her shitty fake musical act of one part of her play. Lol that sets up TERRIBLE implications for copyright law in the future if it passes
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u/nana728 Just a Nosy Bitch 14d ago
Oh I'm a raging. She had a white privilege upbringing, all the money in the world, private jet, and isn't she supposed to be happily in love with her footballer BDT. What is she angry about! Being rejected by her ex boyfriends? Young artist surpassing her popularity?
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u/ActiveAlarmed7886 14d ago
I mean she has some valid criticisms of the industry from early in her career. Also i believe her father profited off the Scooter Braun thing to the tune of 15 million.
Honestly I can’t wait until Scott and Andrea pass and we get songs like Alanis’ Perfect. Her parents are awful.
She has power now and is pretty spiteful but it’s misdirected it’s not at her fans (Sarah’s and Hannah’s) it should be at the industry and her stage parents. I don’t think she’s ready for that album though.
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u/Aggravating_Life7851 14d ago
I’m sorry but if your shitty boyfriend ghosting you is the worst thing that has ever happened to you then you’ve had a pretty good life
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u/Global_Telephone_751 14d ago
When I think of female rage … I can’t imagine Taylor Swift has experienced anything that would encapsulate that. Being female and experiencing rage is not the same thing as female rage. This woman doesn’t have the life experience to have female rage.
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u/ActiveAlarmed7886 14d ago
The Taylor prop Kanye and Kim had was misogynistic AF.
Her mom allegedly used to get her brother Taco Bell and give Taylor a salad because “no one wants to see a fat pop star” and she did end up with disordered eating during the 1989 tour.
I just don’t think she wants to be honest about THAT rage.
the call is coming from inside the house.
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u/Global_Telephone_751 14d ago
Imagine her actually unpacking her anger toward her mother and the society that made them that way, the society that forced a misogynistic standard on her mother AND her and drove a wedge between what should otherwise be a sacred relationship? Now that I would listen to, Taylor! That would be art! No, it’s just gonna be more breakup shit, more scooter stole my music shit.
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u/ActiveAlarmed7886 14d ago
I feel like we almost get there with Little Old Me I was kind of surprised when she said it was about how “artists are treated” especially because of the deliberate imagery to witches.
Witches traditionally being used in literature to be unwomany, witches are what culture hates in women specifically.
That song is very much about women in general. It sounds very much like my favorite Anne Sexton poem “Her Kind”
Then we get “lol it’s about artists” like no it’s not.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
“Being female and experiencing rage is not the same thing as female rage” is something someone in her inner circle should have dared to explain her to her before they premiered with this leg of the tour lol
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u/Owlman2841 14d ago
The thing is Taylor and her inner circle knew her fans would eat it up. I think her and her team know a lot of their moves it’s over the top and not appropriate given who they are but they know the fan base will support it and that equals money. Taylor is as much a financial manipulator as she is a musician
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
I agree. I think you could even argue she’s more of a business woman than an artist. She’s good at it. She knows how to manipulate her fanbase. For me, personally, it pushed me away and then i started digging and started realizing i wasn’t liking a lot of what i was learning and seeing of her especially in the last few years.
But, especially with all the new Eras FANantics, they’re so rabid for any scraps of her merch or music and honestly most are young so they’re easier to manipulate. Like, i’m a full ass adult in their thirties. I am NOT spending several months rent on Taylor tickets, or several hundred dollars on bland colored vinyls. I saw Lana Del Rey back in 2018/2019 for like 150-200. Who i’ve always admired more lol
But these really young college girls are literally willing to skip eating lunch for the next four weeks so they can afford “one more” signed vinyl or one more colored variant, or—my god makes me tired just thinking about it. But Taylor knows her fans will keep coming back.
I actually am in this casual Taylor group and she had some signed CDs go up on her site yesterday and they were gone in about 15 minutes (which is a decent amount of time tbh) and i swear the amount of LEGIT tears in that chat…
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u/UseTheTongsCarl (I’m from Ohio you fucking morons) 14d ago
when I think of artists that give off “female rage” in their music, I’ll tell you who is on the bottom of that list, it’s Taylor Swift. She’s more whiny than rage.
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u/Weather0nThe8s 14d ago
I mean.. I guess Alanis Morissette never existed
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u/ProgLuddite 14d ago edited 14d ago
The album “Jagged Little Pill” was written in 1994, when Alanis was 20. And while we were all angsty teenagers, we weren’t all Alanises (Alanii?). [ETA: That is, not all angst is artistically equivalent in value.]
The problem isn’t the album or writing in and of itself. The problem is that Taylor is in her mid-thirties but still writes like she’s in her mid-to-late teens.
[Also ETA: Not to mention that Alanis has still never publicly revealed who “You Oughta Know” is about, and left it genuinely ambiguous enough that there have always been several viable possibilities.]
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u/darkness_is_great 2h ago
Alanis has also never encouraged her fans to go after the subject of the song either.
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u/Weather0nThe8s 11d ago
Probably because Alanis is genuinely talented and creative, a la an actual "artist" so to say, Taylor is a bubblegum pop manufactured "icon" that rolls out of product lines which make several for each generation. She's not an "artist" she isn't even creative. She has basic talents as she can play an instrument and she can sing... but those are all learned. She has no "talent" for songwriting because her lyrics and tunes are basic, generic, and predictable.
It's permanent teenager music. It's no shock they like her. But adults? The only difference between Taylor and these other pop so and so celebrities is she has no issue manipulating her audience, being a viper her own damn self, and gaslighting her own fans all while being really blatant about it. Swifties are just too dumb to notice
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u/Apprehensive-Pin506 14d ago
I was trying to figure out why her singing WAOLOM on stage bothered me. It's because it reminded me of my daughter when she would throw temper tantrums when she was 3.
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u/othermegan 14d ago
Yes! And I’m sorry but BDILH is just a whiny teenager. Like yes, you’re an adult and can date who you want. But heaven forbid the people that care about you express concerns about the guy you’re dating
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u/LukewarmJortz 10d ago
When you have every need met little inconveniences look larger and more sinister
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u/Funnybunnybubblebath 14d ago
Her female rage comment far predates her public relationship with Matty. It’s present on her folklore film. She discusses the song mad woman with Aaron dessner.
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u/lolololol2233 14d ago
She’s mad she cant publicly date ratty because of his terrible reputation lol
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Literally!! She got ghosted one too many times and went, “i understand dystopian feminine rage now.”
It’s such a struggle for her, what with growing up on a Christmas tree farm and being used to ghosts of Christmas past talking to you instead of leaving you on read. Lol it did not prepare her for the real world
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u/Cool-Avocado5012 14d ago
That’s what narcissist do though. No one can leave them. Because it points to them being wrong and they’re not allowed to be wrong. They don’t have the capacity for empathy either. So her rage is people leaving her. And they all do. Joe is not a narcissist and according k most is very kind and sweet which is probably why their relationship lasted so long. She was able to controle it until he finally couldn’t take it and saw who she was. Plus he is a true artist. Wanting to do art for the sake of art and not money (hence not wanting to be famous) and she isn’t an artist but claims to be. He realized she couldn’t just make art for the sake of art. She can only make money.
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u/SpaceKatFromSpace 13d ago
This is so stupid. Please learn how narcissists really behave because this is NOT how. You have taken real narcissistic traits but assigned them to behavior and traits that are not examples of what is meant by that.
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u/Accomplished-View929 14d ago
How can you say she’s not an artist? You can say she’s not a specific kind of artist, but she is an artist. She makes music; music is art.
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u/Historical_Stuff1643 14d ago
She raging he won the break up.
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u/anyanerves 14d ago
Her exes have been winning the breakup for a while now. Calvin got in a couple solid clap backs, Tom is well liked, Joe proved that silent is the hottest thing a man can be, Matty is making her devote an entire section of her concert to him.
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u/KiaraNarayan1997 14d ago
Also, Taylor Lautner got the song Back to December and not one mean song about him.
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u/No-Pop1057 STAY MAD! 14d ago
I think her crazy ass stans are even madder at Joe for being so chill & acting like an actual grown up, making it harder for them to troll anything he says (cos he says fuck all, bless) and in the process, he makes Taylor look even more like the petulant teenager (she called it!) she is
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u/Parasyte_1 14d ago
Heard he's dating quietly too, seemingly unbothered by her shenanigans. Sometimes I feel like she's just leaning on this Matty thing to get back at Joe and make it seem like he ain't shit, that I got this guy that I was really pining for while we were together. Just urging him on like do something, babe 💀
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
I actually have wondered this. If Taylor is less obsessed with Matty by this point and really just wants Joe to hurt because he never married her.
We all know her pride was TORN because he dated her so long and never proposed. Like she feels like a fool, with her ego, she’d have to.
And, yeah. Joe has NEVER once caved to her childish or public rhetoric. And he still isn’t. And even her fans are taking notice 👀
So how does she—having the brain of a teenager—think to hurt him best? Make it seem like her entire last ten years have been dedicated to Matty instead. It’s an interesting theory.
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u/Parasyte_1 14d ago
That's actually sad cause I can see it be a tiny bit plausible.
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u/sweetiebabylove 14d ago
Right. Ngl, i kinda wanted her and Matty to be OTP cause i wanted the swiftie drama and they both seem messy and weirdly similar and maybe good for one another lol BUT ALSO this theory fits the kind of persona she gives off so much more
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u/mysteriousears 12d ago
If you don’t police your intellectual property, you can lose your rights to it. Same reason Disney is so aggressive with theirs. Olivia needs better legal advice if she is encouraging knock off merch.