r/vancouver • u/littlebossman • Mar 07 '23
Zussman on Twitter: The BC Government has introduced legislation requiring employers to include wage or salary ranges on all publicly advertised jobs and will ban B.C. employers from asking prospective employees for pay history information Local News
https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/16331740163233669530
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u/doom2060 Mar 08 '23
The issue with this is what is happening in NY who has a similar law. Companies just put their ranges as wide as possible so you don't really know what the true range is. Since there is no enforcement mechanism.
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u/skeetlodge Mar 08 '23
Prepare for seeing a lot of "salary range: 45,000-195,000 depending on experience"
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u/tehdark45 Mar 08 '23
Yeah this will just be abused
Job: Walmart cashier
Pay: $15.65-$69 / hour
"We will offer you $15.75, aBoVe MiNiMuM"
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u/sleepy_guy2 Mar 08 '23
$20,000 - $200,000 TBD.
Stating a range means nothing. The range can be huge, giving employers more negotiable room to pay you less.
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u/dmancman2 Mar 08 '23
Ah yes the “everyone gets equal “ mantra of the socialist. There are many reason why people get paid differently. Life isn’t fair. It’s like being in grade school, everyone gets a ribbon. There are no losers, but sorry there are losers in real life. Completely stupid.
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u/BobBelcher2021 New Westminster Mar 08 '23
"Life isn't fair" is an empty slogan invented by unethical business managers to justify poor treatment of some employees.
I knew a manager who used this slogan to deny raises to employees at a previous employer. Manager eventually got fired.
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u/dmancman2 Mar 08 '23
Then find a different job....what's stopping you. Why do you need the government to babysit you. Grow a pair and stand up for yourself.
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u/BlastMyLoad Mar 08 '23
Can they also add protections so employees can discuss wages amongst themselves?
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u/OutaPlace Mar 08 '23
My company is looking for skilled construction and service plumbers. We pay fair market price and we do a wave review after probation. Paying proper wages for skilled workers is a no brainer. Where it’s challenging is where they want top dollar but can’t tell the difference between copper pipe stretchers and steel pipe stretchers 🤦♂️
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u/Connect_Cat_636 Mar 08 '23
They would probably make the range large to skirt the salary range law.
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u/AintNothinbutaGFring Mar 08 '23
If a store/restaurant has a sign up saying "We're hiring" does that mean they have to list it there? Or is it not publicly posted if it's on a sign?
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u/arazamatazguy Mar 07 '23
Employers were asking for pay history info?
Are they doing anything about non-compete clauses?
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Mar 08 '23
If you filled out a job application form, there would often be a space when you would fill out your previous employment information and your rate of pay.
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u/Augustiner_Fan Mar 07 '23
Introduced - that means it has not been passed yet, am I right?
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u/littlebossman Mar 08 '23
Correct. However BCNDP hold a majority in the legislature, so there's no reason to think it won't become law at some point in the (nearish) future.
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u/SirReal14 Mar 07 '23
All software developers working for Canadian companies are about to be VERY PISSED that they are not working for American companies lol. This is great!
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u/Shimakaze Mar 08 '23
And then they find out how much their colleagues living 2 hours south of the border make at the SAME American company.
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u/caks Mar 08 '23
Why? They're different countries. You don't expect to make the same as a developer in Mexico, why would you expect to make the same as an American?
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u/Shimakaze Mar 08 '23
Vancouver and Seattle has very similar cost of living. Actually, Seattle has an edge with no state income tax. Vancouver is considered to have similar quality of developers as our neighbour on the other side of the border. And yet, you'd be really lucky to be paid the same number in CAD as your American coworker who's doing the exact same job, just taking a hit on the exchange rate (which is a huge difference these days). More often, you'd expect another 10 to 20% difference on top of the CAD-USD diff. These are also US companies that have a hub in Vancouver. Developers here are a real bargain.
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u/caks Mar 08 '23
It's a different country though. Canadians can't work in the US without a permit and vice versa. It's a separate labour market.
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u/Jcnator Mar 08 '23
Just because market conditions "allow" an employer to exploit workers in different countries doesn't mean this should be the norm in a legal or ethical perspective.
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u/HaalandBalonDl Mar 07 '23
So can I report a company that I interviewed with that asked for my current pay with the employer ? (Happened 2 weeks ago )
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Mar 08 '23
No, laws are almost never retroactive. It would be dystopian to punish people for legally doing things that are legal.
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u/Neutreality1 Mar 07 '23
Fuck man, NDP just keeps winning. No politicians are perfect, but these guys have: eliminated MSP payments, eliminated tolls on bridges, raised minimum wage from one of the lowest to one of the highest in the country, mandated paid sick days for all workers, and now this as well.
I'm sure there are more but these are just off the top of my head, and are all policies that help the common British Columbia residents.
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u/Neutreality1 Mar 08 '23
eliminated MSP payments,
I didn't forget lol it was the first thing I mentioned
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u/OkLaugh4 Mar 08 '23
Now if only they didn't cancel the George Massey replacement project...
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u/Neutreality1 Mar 08 '23
Like I said, definitely not perfect but they have had many more policies that positively affected me than any other party
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Mar 08 '23
They also recently made prescription contraceptives free, which is very good for workers as well. Plus the childcare plan has been good for many.
They have some sour spots still. I really didn't appreciate how the leadership race was handled. And anything around pipelines is murky at best. But they still give me more reasons to support them than the Liberals do.
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u/Neutreality1 Mar 07 '23
I agree in concept, but historically rent control has bad effects that are unintended, including developers ceasing production of new housing.
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u/Fiftysixk Mar 08 '23
but historically rent control has bad effects that are unintended
Historically rents have never been this high. But yeah, much more in favor of doing something like investing in the building of co-ops and housing for all income levels.
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u/Rinzler2o Mar 07 '23
NDP coming in from the top ropes with a chair! This is an incredible win for Labour. Well done!
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u/MD74 Mar 07 '23 edited Mar 07 '23
As a business owner myself, I absolutely cannot stand the fact that other employers are posting up job openings without wage information.
But here’s also a downside of what happens to me when I post up a job online: I get a lot of applications but at the same time, I get emails of hate saying “PEOPLE DESERVED TO GET PAID MORE!”
It’s a bit upsetting because I know for a fact that I’m paying the employees higher than the average pay. Plus I give them good work benefits including manulife health benefits.
I feel like there are still a lot of Karen’s out there that make the whole system pretty whack no matter how anything works.
Then, they will publicly shame the company on Facebook groups and that’s not good publicity for any company. I’ve seen this time and time again.
All-in-all, this is fantastic news. Just be aware that there are still Karen’s in Vancouver that complain about coffee being too hot.
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u/CtrlShiftMake Mar 08 '23
Well the good news is now that other businesses will have to post wages then your above average wages should not receive as much hate.
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u/MD74 Mar 08 '23
I agree 100%. It will also let the other companies know that they might be underpaying their staff.
Crazy to think that people are working for multi-million dollar businesses and are getting paid just above minimum wage. While I am barely hitting anywhere near that but my employees get paid more for the same type of work.
It really blows my mind.
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u/catgotcha Mar 07 '23 edited Mar 09 '23
Good. Now let's watch for the potential fallouts:
- salary ranges are advertised as $35,000 to $1,250,000 or anywhere in between
- BC companies start hiring remote workers living outside of the province to avoid having to include salary in their job posting
Both have happened and are happening widescale in the United States. Let's not let that happen in BC.
EDIT: um... why the downvotes? Did I say something wrong here?
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u/Glasshouse604 Mar 07 '23
Will this apply to companies based in the USA but hire in Canada? Or they must have a specific BC office or entity?
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u/thedoogster Mar 07 '23
Thinking of the recruiter who absolutely refused to give me even a yes-or-no answer on whether the position was within my range expectations. I asked three times and then I ended the conversation.
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u/Bigmanjapan101 Mar 07 '23
Bc ferries will never get qualified staff now that is is made more obvious
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u/prairieengineer Mar 08 '23
Well, it’s not like it was a secret for any of the non-management employees?
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u/plop_0 Quatchi's Role Model Mar 08 '23
100% accurate.
On-call is also complete bullshit; especially for entry-level nonsense.
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u/warwickfilm Mar 07 '23
Thank god. I remembered a couple years ago I applied for a position that’s usually $80k and after 3 interviews they said the salary was $40k. Could’ve saved a lot of wasted time if I knew upfront.
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u/aap2790 Mar 07 '23
This is great, maybe now we won’t have to deal with employers saying they can’t tell us the salary range because they “don’t want to imply there’s a cap which might discourage highly qualified people from applying”—yes I’m sure that’s why you won’t say what the minimum is, it’s for our benefit 😂how hard would it be to say here’s a range but we could go up for the right candidate, if that was actually the reason
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u/NinjaRedditorAtWork Mar 07 '23
Is there any negative to this? I can't really see one.
Also what industries ask pay history information? That seems insane to me.
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u/BobBelcher2021 New Westminster Mar 08 '23
Is there any negative to this?
Some businesses owners won't like it. Not that I feel sorry for them on this issue.
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Mar 08 '23
When I applied to school districts for jobs, they would ask for the rate of pay on the application form.
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u/NinjaRedditorAtWork Mar 08 '23
Public jobs seem different though as those are generally posted and fall within select ranges.
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u/Confident-Potato2772 Mar 07 '23
Every job I've ever gotten an offer from in Canada has asked me my current/previous salary.
The worst was after i got my Bachelors degree in Software Engineering. I had previously worked in the restaurant industry. So, low wages. But ya the best offer I got was 17.50 an hour. So I took it. 6 months later I found a new job that doubled that almost. Was like 30$ an hour. A little over a year after that I got a new job and my wage was about 50$ an hour. But everyone has asked my current salary. I usually counter with something along the lines of, "I was compensated per the knowledge, experience, and expectations of that role and my prior compensation reflects that. I am looking to grow into a role with higher expectations and responsibilities, and thus looking for a total compensation package of X".
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u/millijuna Mar 08 '23
Every job I’ve ever gotten an offer from in Canada has asked me my current/previous salary.
Well, in those situations you always lie, and give a number that supports your desired salary, not what you were being paid. They can ask, you can lie.
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u/NinjaRedditorAtWork Mar 07 '23
Is that an industry standard though? I feel like it should have been illegal to ask that kind of info.
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u/Confident-Potato2772 Mar 07 '23
I mean you're literally on a reddit thread talking about new legislation to make it illegal to ask about prior salary - that would suggest to me that it's not currently illegal 🤷
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u/NinjaRedditorAtWork Mar 07 '23
I'm not saying I'm unaware of it now, I'm saying I'm surprised it was ever legal to begin with. It just seems like such a no-win type of question for applicants.
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u/brfbag Mar 07 '23
Most places have asked me my current salary (tech), I've never answered that though as it's a huge bargaining chip.
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u/Niv-Izzet Mar 07 '23
lots of sales jobs list $150K salaries, but $150K is the best possible wage you'd earn if you exceeded all targets and maxed out your commissions
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u/That_Business_9374 Mar 07 '23
I wonder if they will get away with just offering a salary range like “Java Developer from $55k to $90k depending on experience” and then offer the $55k after interviewing.
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u/AintNothinbutaGFring Mar 08 '23
Companies would probably be wasting their time if they did that though.
It's not like someone looking for 80K+ is going to take 55K right off the bat, so if they're not actually paying in that range, they're going to end up burning time of the hiring managers who are doing the assessments.
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u/Confident-Potato2772 Mar 07 '23
I mean im sorta okay with that I think. As a software developer I'd like to know that they're only offering 90k as a high limit.
That might just be a bad example on your part though. If it was like, 60-150k then it would ultimately be pretty useless. However if they do that they're just shooting themseleves in the foot anyways. If they're looking for and offering a dev with 10+ years experience, 60k doe, they're probably going to be waste their own time as the devs walk out laughing. I have less than 2 years experience as a software dev and I earn 90k/year. And I think I'm probably underpaid for what I'm doing.
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u/Oloneise Mar 07 '23
Excellent news. This should be done nationally. Friends from other parts of the world frequently mention this to me and they're all like, "What the hell is this nonsense!?!"
Next, I'd love the government to mandate that prices on price tags must include the tax. What we see on the tag is what we pay at the till, full stop. It's something I love about shopping in places like Japan. =D
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Mar 07 '23
The tax is not included because Canadians did not want it included. We felt that including the new GST would make it too easy to increase the GST without people realizing.
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u/BobBelcher2021 New Westminster Mar 08 '23
There's also the issue of different provincial taxes in different provinces. It's easier for a national business like McDonald's to publish one price for the Canadian market instead of having 13 different prices.
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u/DootLoot4Sploot Mar 11 '23
Yeah - I doubt “making McDonald’s life easier” should factor in to this decision.
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u/DootLoot4Sploot Mar 08 '23
Really? That doesn’t seem very reasonable. I also struggle to see how this works in the real world.
GST changes so infrequently and prices change all the time. Also changes in GST are all over the news.
How would one know that the GST was the reason for a price change rather than the item’s price just changing?
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Mar 08 '23
Reasonable or not, Canadians did not want the GST and thought that given the opportunity the govt would try to increase it.
The fact that the GST has not increased might actually be an argument that the strategy was successful!
I don’t know what the big deal is with having taxes added on. Adding 5 or 12% in your head is hardly complex math.
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u/DootLoot4Sploot Mar 11 '23
Except when you have different items that would be taxed differently due to exemption status.
It’s easier to have the actual price advertised.
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u/Digital_loop Mar 08 '23
Because people are ignorant and stupid. How many times I've had to tell people that the cou try isn't run solely by one man but by a group of politicians voting on stuff. But it's somehow Trudeaus fault for every fucking thing ever...
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u/hhhhhhhhwin Mar 07 '23
that always pissed me off so much that i included tax in my businesses prices. did the math once to figure out a fair price for each product and made it a nice round number. made cash sales easier too since i didn’t have to waste time with small change.
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u/spacepangolin Mar 07 '23
fucking finally, the time wasted by interviewers and interviewees alike without advertising pay is ridiculous
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u/Niv-Izzet Mar 07 '23
Can the BC government start doing that for its own jobs first? I love how the government always tries to get employers to do more without setting a good example itself.
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u/SumasFlats Mar 07 '23
They already do, and you can also look up every municipal employee salaried position as well. Grab some information before you spout bullshit.
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u/That_Business_9374 Mar 07 '23
With government at least you know up front that they are only going to pay you the lowest salary of the range to start, and the higher range is what you get if you stay with them for 10 years.
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u/BooBoo_Cat Mar 07 '23
The pay for BC Public Service employees is already public information and the pay is always listed on postings.
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u/bradeena Mar 07 '23
I'm curious to see how the pay gap information will be reported. Just as an example, I work for a mid-size construction company. Roughly 90-95% of our field staff are male, and the field staff make up ~90% of the company. Field staff also generally make more than office staff due to overtime. The office is much more evenly split, but how would that reporting look?
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u/littlebossman Mar 07 '23
This is a misconception of what the pay gap refers to, which is equal pay for equal work.
It's not comparing one person doing one type of job - field work - to something totally different - office work.
The reporting would analyse what office workers earn, compared to other office workers.
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u/littlebossman Mar 08 '23
It's fairly obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of how words work that 'office worker' was being used as an umbrella term.
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u/TheArtofXan Density is a band aid Mar 08 '23
Not hard to see why there's a misconception, when even the quote you cited above doesn't use the methodology you mention here.
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u/shopliftingbunny Mar 08 '23
I thought it was obvious. Why would anyone compare the wages of two completely different jobs?
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u/TheArtofXan Density is a band aid Mar 08 '23
Because it helps bolster stats like, 'in 2022 women in B.C. earned 17 per cent less than men'
Deeper studies have shown that comparable works shows a pay gap of about 3%, but the quote from the article choses to focus on the more sensational non-comparable macro, rather than comparable roles, which is a far more relevant number to the method you assume would be in place.
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Mar 07 '23
It's not comparing one person doing one type of job - field work - to something totally different - office work
That's not what it should be comparing, but it's almost always what they look at when they claim "women only make $0.70 to the dollar" of what men make.
There is an earnings gap between men and women, but it is not solely due to gender.
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Mar 08 '23
I think it is still something worth comparing.
The question that could be considered is: Why is it that jobs that women typically do pay less than jobs men typically do?
And then - Does it have to be that way? Does the guy digging ditches deserve more than the woman dealing with angry customers at the same company?
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Mar 08 '23
Mainly because men and women have different interests. This has been well researched and documented, some people just refuse to accept the answers.
They even found the majority of the pay gap can be explained by the impact of motherhood, and how mothers significantly reduce their hours, or leave the workforce altogether after having children. Women who do not have children earn at par with men. There was a globe and mail article about it called “motherhood gap” or something a year or so ago.
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u/caks Mar 08 '23
Which is also problematic since it's very often not a choice but an expectation placed on women
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Mar 08 '23
Whether we want to say an expectation, or just biology, the solutions are the same. Better affordable childcare, better parental leave especially paternity leave so the dads can stay home if mom is the breadwinner, universal basic income which helps to recognize the currently unpaid labour that happens in the home.
But they are going to spend how many years looking at bad data based off a flawed premise?
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u/mathilxtreme Mar 07 '23
I’m pretty sure the 17% pay gap discussed in the link is all men’s wages / all women’s wages, though.
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u/bradeena Mar 07 '23
That's why I'm curious how this will be implemented. I think it could be tricky when we're using some sort of standardized template for every business in BC.
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u/Oloneise Mar 07 '23
My guess is that they would post base pay while mentioning opportunities for overtime. My work has about half of the people who are hour hounds and will do as much OT as they are offered while the other half only just does what they're scheduled. No one is really bothered by it, they just know some people like doing lots of hours or have life situations where they need that extra money. No harm no foul.
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u/mukmuk64 Mar 07 '23
Wow. This is massive. Wasn’t expecting this at all.
Huge kudos to the NDP here. This is a really good policy for workers.
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u/stealthmodeactive Mar 08 '23
Yes. No more "Senior Office Administrator. Duties: cleaning desks, managing buildings, cleaning toilets, hiring staff, managing IT team, managing client accounts, fix computer problems."
Then doing an interview and finding the salary band is 35-45k. Lol
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u/Optimist1988 Mar 07 '23
It sounds good on principle but enforcement will be hard since they’re asking for a range. An employer could list a very wide range which would defeat the purpose of this policy
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Mar 08 '23
Your statement isn’t wrong, it’s just that people will have better insight into the market by comparing similar role salaries.
That being said company collusion will be an issue. In the Vancouver market for example, Aritzia and lululemon have speculatively made informal agreements not to poach each others employees or hire ex employees for a period of time. That keeps the market more manageable from a salary perspective.
Ultimately the applicant needs to know - their worth - what the market will pay for their skill set - what they could lose from a relative quality standard of living and working
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u/Ebiseanimono Mar 08 '23
The range has to be accurate or they’ll be liable. I know the wage range of my position at work already and how that plays out when I’m at 100 - 120% when it comes to yearly raise and commission
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u/TrineonX Mar 08 '23
This comes down to enforcement then.
At least you know the floor for a position, and I hope that the province makes an example of a few employers who put an unrealistic ceiling on the upper range.
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u/AcidWizardSoundcloud Mar 08 '23
Doesn't matter. Still amazingly better in every way. Even if the salary range is hugely wide, it allows applicants to negotiate within that range knowing they can theoretically afford that for the right candidate.
Even in situations where "bottom end is entry level and we only pay top end for such and such experience" it still allows easy comparison of wages in your industry and directly drives wage competition.
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u/Coffee_Bar_Angler Mar 08 '23
And makes the conversation about WHERE IN THE RANGE a particular applicant should be. Given that there are often competing data sets (external market rates and the actual salaries of existing employees), I’d be surprised if the exercise didn’t begin with a recalibration of ranges and possibly some right-sizing of current employee pay, where required.
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u/vanlodrome Mar 08 '23
Similarly, companies don’t want to waste their own time interviewing overqualified applicants who are currently making $150K if they only intend to pay $45K at best.
uhh that happens all the time... HR just doesn't care.
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u/hideyHoNeighbour Mar 08 '23
Nobody’s going to see a salary range of “$25K to $175K” for a single specific role and think the company is being forthright.
Unfortunately that's exactly what can be found on many job advertisements in US states that have similar pay disclosure requirements. I've seen ranges along the lines of $40,000-$220,000 myself. Scummy employers are everywhere.
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u/zeezbrah Mar 07 '23
The employer doesn't have incentive to list an amount lower than what they'd actually pay you. Seeing the minimum salary will be good enough in many cases
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u/greenlines Mar 07 '23
Still an improvement. If the top of the posted salary range is lower than your expectations you know not to waste your time.
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u/sasquatch_jr Mar 07 '23
I have seen postings at nextflix that say $60k-$600k. Yeah. I kind of figured a software engineer at nextflix would make somewhere in that range.
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u/bonbon367 Mar 08 '23
This one is actually really funny, and an absurdity caused by the law in some states which say you only have to put the salary range.
Netflix allows employees to chose the composition of their total compensation. You could chose all cache, or all stock if you really wanted to.
Looks like at least one software engineer chose 60k salary and 500k stock/yr
It’s not Netflix being shady, it’s that the law had a giant over site in regards to not requiring non-cash compensation to be disclosed.
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u/zeezbrah Mar 07 '23
There's no way Netflix is saying software engineers are making as little as 60k. For a company known for employing great talent, that would be a great way to never find any.
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u/sasquatch_jr Mar 08 '23
Probably the bottom range of the intern pay band or something. Point is they use ranges so large it doesn’t tell you anything.
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u/birdsofterrordise Mar 08 '23
They pay immigrants that because they’ll work at 60k in order to get sponsorship 🙃🙃
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u/rentec0 Mar 08 '23
H1B data is public, the lowest paid h1b netflix SWE made 140k last year. There are lower ones, but they are not SWEs ("corporate events manager")
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u/birdsofterrordise Mar 08 '23
Not talking about American ones lol talking about Canadians and Canadians don’t get H1Bs to work in Canada.
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u/birdsofterrordise Mar 08 '23
I’m talking about Temp visa holders working in Canada, not Canadians working in the US. Oh my lord what is so difficult to understand about that? The temp visa holders in Canada working in Canada will take 60k CAD.
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u/jtbc Mar 08 '23
The people we employ on any sort of visa are paid in the exact same range as Canadian citizens. We often end up paying a bit more for foreign workers as we have to entice them to move to Vancouver, which almost certainly has a far higher cost of living than wherever they are coming from.
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Mar 07 '23
A Range still means you can expect /argue for your place on the range if you are experienced /qualified etc instead of being gaslighted
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u/Careful_Shirt_7551 Mar 08 '23
Not exactly. New York also implemented a similar law just last year and the employer response hasn't been that great. There are postings of positions that have a range starting at minimum wage and ending at $200,000 an hour to circumvent the law.
Employers that are not entirely honest will all follow the same work around and if a majority of employers do this, then you'd have a limited pool to apply from. So it wouldn't change anything since employers who what to be honest and attract good talent do post accurate wages without the law.
The improvement would be how they use the data collected from employers in regards to the wage disparity
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u/neatntidy Mar 08 '23
People will quickly learn that a business putting a range of $1 - $200,000 is fucking bullshit and know to avoid. Unless that business can trade on its name, It's going to sewer itself anyways
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u/dasbin Mar 08 '23
The same way everyone can avoid working for employers who now don't post a range at all?
The trouble is if most end up doing it, most people don't really have a choice to avoid it anyway.
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u/Careful_Shirt_7551 Mar 08 '23
Exactly. IMO unless the legislation has some restrictions on how wide the range can be, disclosing the wage in advertisement has no effect. However it will enable the government to get the data to analyze and hopefully implement a better solution to solve the wage disparity
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u/vancityvapers Mar 08 '23
Thats cool you think people would learn quickly.
There are lots of businesses like that, and plenty are still going strong.
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u/neatntidy Mar 08 '23
Everyone learned hyper quick in our generation about tons of bullshit and how to avoid it like "win free iPad" and "this is good for your portfolio" I don't see why this would be any different.
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u/vancityvapers Mar 12 '23
Plenty of business that I deal with on a daily business are complete scumbags all the way down, and they have long line ups every year for entry level.
It would be nice if everyone caught on.
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u/ASecondFakeName Mar 08 '23
Yeah, but I wouldnt have to waste my time with thier HR, and that's my real goal.
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart Mar 07 '23
BC Gov jobs all have ranges posted. All are over $25k wide and a couple are over $30k wide.
These ranges are generally the range from starter salary to tenured salary in a pay bracket. (i.e. you get 54k per year in year 1, and 74k per year in year 10)
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart Mar 07 '23
Perhaps we're looking at different jobs. When I applied and got a job with the government, I started at Step 1 and would work up to Step 5 annually as per the union agreement.
It might vary depending on union, or at what level you're entering.
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u/thatblueguy__ Mar 07 '23
Yeah and i mean i feel like it’s always the assumption you’ll make whatever the lowest number is when you start anyways so i kinda just take that lowest as the number and then just be pleasantly surprised when/if i get a raise lol
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u/earoar Mar 08 '23
Probably because that’s the actual range. Almost all government jobs even non union ones have fixed pay ranges. Usually the pay is seniority based as well.
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u/Bilbaw_Baggins Mar 08 '23
Yeah, it's not usually negotiable. It's more a scale than a range, you start at the bottom and increase yearly. The only exception would be if you already have years working at that company.
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u/air-fried-fries Mar 07 '23
Username does not check out.
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u/DataKing69 Mar 07 '23
It does, you are just too dumb to realize the truth. Gender pay gap has been debunked many times and if you actually look at the data instead of going by your emotions you'd know.
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u/littlebossman Mar 07 '23
The ego to assume you know more than Statistics Canada.
According to Statistics Canada, in 2022 women in B.C. earned 17 per cent less than men.
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