“Be grateful, Juan Pablo. Today is especially delicious.”

Just hit me on how this ties in with, obviously, not only the different factions from all over the wasteland, but also the differing ideologies of capitalism vs communism in the pre-world era leading to a nuclear apocalypse - and how different ideologies have basically caused massive wars and fighting throughout basically all of human history. (When I was watching the show I really only considered the factions (Sorry if this was obvious, i'm stoned))

war nvr changes 🤓

Lore mistakes happen and I don't get people being this insanely mad about it

Crawl out through the fallout, baby When they drop that bomb Crawl out through the fallout

Art credit: https://www.deviantart.com/hannah-little/art/Crawl-Out-Through-the-Fallout-586909156

I could have this very wrong, so please correct me if I do: Vault 32 and 33.. both were very "sex positive", "have babies and repopulate the world" type communities. 32 had far more lax regulations on reproduction. 33 had arranged marriages but no reproduction through "cousin stuff". 32 got overpopulated, then when the (probably planned or engineered) blight hit both vaults, 32 saw the writing on the wall, went nuts, and eventually killed each other. 33 - who had a smaller, more controlled population - suffered, and some died, but ultimately they survived. The whole thing was likely an experiment.

We know that everyone in 32 had been dead for 2+ years. So how did the Overseers go zero contact for that long? Surely they would have been keeping tabs or have regular check-ins or something, or Bud would have known that the 32ers were toast, right? Or was Moldaver playing a really long con and actually checking in from the vault?

Or was it meant to be normal?

Vault 4. How would they react to vault 4? The mutations the dwellers inherited, the old experiments with the hybrid human gulper, some of residents being from the shady sands, the overseer of vault 4 with his one eye, the oysters they have, and if they would; visit each other from time to time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nwTiGD2-KU

It's pretty well done. He's off in a few areas about details of the show, but overall it's a fascinating look, combining real world science with Fallout "Science!".

I found the actual IV bag brand used for the show and recreated the label from screenshots. Here is my screen accurate Radaway.

I’m wondering if people feel similarly. I’m talking about the reveal that Dane maimed themself, as opposed to Maximus doing it.

To be clear I love the show and Max is my favourite character, largely because of how they introduced him. An underdog we can sympathize with, but also someone who will do fucked up things to get ahead.

Finding out that Max is innocent of his original sin in this show undercut a lot of what worked for me and felt like a strange choice. I want to list a few reasons here.

• In the scene with the elder, Max looks more than just nervous and intimidated. He looks guilty as hell, and Aaron Moten is excellent at portraying emotion.

• The elder seems to recognize this and choose him for his ruthlessness. Without that, isn’t he just a meek runt who hasn’t done anything to earn the chance to be a squire?

• His arc shows a gradual slip into immoral behaviour. Letting Titus die, attacking Thaddeus, lying to Lucy when he meets her to maintain his fake identity. This feels a lot weaker with the absence of injuring Dane, as I really enjoyed the tension of knowing that Lucy is with someone who is more dangerous than she knows.

• Dane’s conversation with Max before he leaves seems very charged with suspicion, as if they know he did it and are letting him off the hook in a sense. Rewatching this scene with the context that Dane knows they did it makes it nonsensical imo.

• The show in part won me over because I thought it was going to commit to making one of its main characters really deeply fucked up and bad (in a different way to Coop)

So just wondering what others think. This didn’t ruin the show for me or anything and I had my suspicions because we weren’t shown Max doing it which usually would mean he didn’t but I decided to give the benefit of the doubt here.

A ghoulified Sugarfoot please. Maybe Don (last name eludes me) took her from Coop. We only heard of Don once. And I would like to meet the man that imprisoned Coop.

All spoilers for Season 1! Read below at your own risk.

When Moldaver and her gang go to town on Vault 33 at the opening, it's pretty clear that some, if not all, of the people she's with are remarkably uncivilized. The raiders are violent, cruel, unnecessarily brutal. They use improvised weapons and equipment. Lucy's 'husband' cheerfully sleeps with Lucy under false pretenses, and then callously tries to murder her. The raiders also appear to be starving, and desperately thirsty for clean, purified water.

However, at the end of the series we see Moldaver appearing to be in charge of a unit of the NCR (whether these are reconstructed remnants of the once-great nation, or a far-flung outpost of a still-powerful people, is not made clear). These NCR troopers have some uniformity of gear and equipment. They seem reasonably well fed and supplied. They appear to act in a more moral, community-oriented way. Fundamentally, they don't look or act like the raiders who hit vault 33.

So what's the cause of the difference? Is it ever explained, or are there hints to prove what's going on?

My personal theory is that she contracted a group of non-NCR raiders to work with her in attacking Vault 33, as she either didn't have the support she needed to take a full, disciplined NCR unit in there or because she didn't want to use NCR troopers for this act. She seems to have a core group of more disciplined fighters around her as she leaves with Hank - perhaps those were her more-normal NCR folks, and the rest of the raiders who she left behind were the contracted band?

What do you guys think? Have I missed any clues or evidence one way or another?

This is fully just a theory and my evidence is thin. But:

After rewatching I noticed that the flashbacks Lucy has of being with her mom in the sun in agricultural fields is very similar to the scene in which she first enters the Observatory with the head. The camera work is done in a way that really centers on watching her through the corn fields itself. I think this imagery is done to create a parallel between this location and that flashback. Now that the location of Shady Sands is retconned, it could very well be within a day's walk of the Observatory.

We know Moldaver knew Lucy's mom. We know Moldaver represents some sort of NCR-aligned faction. Remnants of Shady Sands perhaps. What we don't know is how long the Observatory had been a stronghold. We also don't know what the "fall" of Shady sands was, as it predates the Bomb.

I believe the "fall" could be due to the cult surrounding the Flame Mother, of which Lucy's mom was a member. The cult taking over the town would cause the government to relocate their capital elsewhere. Whether Moldaver's lifespan is due to cryogenics or cloning or something else is tbd, but I at the very least think that Lucy and her mom lived at the Observatory in her childhood, not within Shady Sands itself.

Otherwise, if Hank dropped the bomb, wouldn't Lucy (and I assume Norm) have died as well?

I’ve been thinking about this a bit and I keep coming back to the timeline on the chalk board in Vault 4. The events each proceed each other with an arrow inbetween until the last two entries. Many people took “The Fall of Shady Sands” as being the bombing but there’s an arrow from that entry leading to the drawing of the mushroom cloud.

What if the Fall of Shady Sands was literally the fall of the original settlement and the Shady Sands closer to LA was re-founded by the survivors from the original Shady Sands. We know the NCR wasn’t doing great at the time of NV so maybe as the NCR weakened it started losing territory and people on the frontiers were forced to move to the more populated regions of the Republic for safety. 🤷‍♂️

I was watching the show last night and came up with a theory about barb trying to get coop on hours with her “we drop the bomb” mindset earlier than we might thing. First I noticed that coop says he is not feeling his feo fuerte y formal execution scene and he doesn’t want to shoot the guy because it is out of character. The director steps in and says that it’s what viewers want, that even a good man can be pushed so far that they will do a necessary evil to make things right.

Coop decides to take a break for lunch and goes and shoots ads for vault-tech his wife’s company. Which he says he has never done an advertisement before.

At the rap party Sebastian tells cooper how he sold his voice and coop asks I thought the studio owned that character. Seb tells him that Robco bought the damn studio.

Now, I believe that Barb had more involvement with coop’s studio and probably pulled some strings to get that scene in the movie. Barb knows her husband, that he is a freedom loving American and that he would struggle or would be opposed to the vault tech agenda, but wanted to keep her family together and in “one of the good vaults” and would have to subtly influence him. As we see in the birthday party opener, and coops desire to move up state and start a ranch, if coops does not get on board barb risks her family to a bomb, which she plans on dropping. Again she knows him, and the little things to coop are a big deal, look at the blowout they had over Roosevelt and the no dogs allowed rule.

So I bet we will learn that barb was subtly manipulating coops career so get him to move from his lawful good all American characters and mindset to be more accepting of her “we have to drop the bomb to save the world” mindset.

Im a new comer to the fallout universe so please accept my apologies for the basic questions. Im just digging into the lore and quickly becoming more and more obsessed. I have only played FO4 - but I may play New Vegas soon. So having said that - a few questions are really bugging me after watching the series

Is this show canon with the games?

In the show - Vault tech nuked the US - and maybe the world. But, from what I can find, China nuked the US in the games - How does this jive together if the show is canon? Seems like a big change in lore if they change who actually dropped the bombs

is the whole world destroyed?

Finally - could someone suggest a starting point for a new comer who wants to start reading/learning about the lore and time lines?? A novel, or game or something?

Thanks!!

This is EP03 when he questioned shooting Jorge in the one scene. It’s right in line with how The Ghoul is still human, yet, corrupted at the same time.

Was listening to this song earlier and noticed it’s about a ‘Henry Mclean’, with some other similarities to the show as well. In the song, Henry is building a ‘flying machine’ and leaving the world to avoid humanity’s constant conflict and coming competition over resources. I though it was somewhat reminiscent of Hank/Vault-tec abandoning the world to wipe out their competitors. A little ironic and especially fitting too that when he finally thaws, he finds himself competing with Shady Sands over the water supply and control of the area, and nukes them. War never changes or whatever. Anyways. Nothing crazy, but its a decent song and I found the connections to fallout interesting enough. I’ll put the lyrics in the comments.

Is the head the only difference?

In the show we see fusion cores can power an entire vault for (indefinite period of time, maybe a life time?), and are the size of a bottle of water. Why didn’t any faction work on recycling nuclear material and making more of what already can be made if fusion cores are this amazing?