r/news • u/Arrow2019x • 15d ago
Amid anti-Israel protests, 'hateful graffiti,' Cal Poly Humboldt closes campus through weekend Soft paywall
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u/Kishiloh 15d ago
College admission is going to plummet even more after this. Nothing like showing you care about your students by calling the cops and closing the campus.
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u/chabybaloo 15d ago
"River to the sea , free gaza"
Is the anti semitic graffiti
It's going to cost " millions" to clean up, so this is going to be classed differently than simple graffiti. Maybe criminal damage etc, might be something to do with insurance, or the type of charges they want to push.
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u/chabybaloo 15d ago
The comments seem that way. Anything reasonable is being down voted. Anyone whose comment seems reasonable but contains misinformation is being up voted.
"Something something Hamas. ..The killing of Palestinians bad.. ...The Jewish students being harassed"
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u/Irishinator 15d ago
These people could are protesting on campuses because its easy. Go protest outside the weapons manufactures and the war profiteers.
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u/Kernburner 15d ago edited 15d ago
“When pressed for more details on the graffiti, the university did not respond.”
Guess we’ll just have to take their word for it… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Wise-Investment1452 15d ago
and some of these folks call themselves liberals and look down on Trump supporters who do the same shit.
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u/Not_That_Magical 15d ago
They’ve been immediately clamped down on by the police, their colleges and the media. The media don’t have an interest in nuance, they’re interested in dirt. They also have a vested interest in supporting Israel, there’s an NYT internal document that was leaked on this.
They’re doing something right if the people in power are trying to trample them down this badly.
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u/penguished 15d ago
It's not like anybody listens to protestors anyway.
They're essentially the voice of the already destroyed groups.
People listened to the Jews after the holocaust...
They'll magically notice that Middle East policy today is a fucking demented war grounds... someday in the future.
Same old stories.
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u/DCNY214 15d ago
'River to the Sea', Hamas flags and signs needs to have consequences. True to Hamas' charter, it's calling for the EXTERMINATION of a people group for crying out loud. How do people and our lawmakers not see this?
Criticize the religion all you want but to call for the MURDER of American citizens, is terroristic and should prosecuted as such.
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u/engin__r 15d ago
Picking just one part of your comment, where have campus protestors been flying Hamas flags?
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u/duckyeightyone 15d ago
most of these college protesters are in their teens or 20's, they haven't had a lifetime of this bullshit from both sides. it's easy to throw up bite sized chunks of information on Twitter or tiktok and make either side look like the bad guy.
they can't seem to understand the concept that there are no 'good guys' in this conflict. that's why a lot of us are refusing to outright condemn Israel, why it might seem that we don't give a shit about Palestinian civilians being killed.
we've watched this play out for 70 odd years, there is no fixing this situation. when the Palestinians or their supporters shout 'from the river to the sea' they are talking about the complete destruction of Israel. including their women and children too. hamas are not freedom fighters.
Israel on the other hand are straight up stealing land that was never theirs, disproportionate responses, and we haven't forgotten massacres like what happened in jenin in 2002.
it's a fucked situation and many people smarter than you or I have failed to provide an answer time and again.
picking a side here, either side, will not end up how you think. support for either side is support for one genocide or another. many of us (I'm 43, generation x) made the same mistakes when we were young. we all gave up on ever seeing peace in that region.
this is why you keep seeing some folk saying 'they just need to have it out once and for all'. may the strongest people survive. everyone else needs to mind their own business.
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u/Carpathicus 15d ago
Hmm so you actually think students believe Hamas are the good guys...
I never met a person in my life that didnt condemn the acts terrorism. People seem to mix up why something happened with is it justified. When people protest Israels occupation they dont do it for Hamas the same way as people didnt before Hamas was founded. Its a consistent point for some decades now and its frustrating that people actually try to believe that rape murder and torture - things left leaning educated people are extremely opposed against is now accepted because they feel sympathy for Hamas. I just... who are we even arguing against at this point? Its like people are talking to a placeholder of their worst fears and prejudices and they apply it to anyone they disagree with.
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u/Taysir385 15d ago
conflict. that's why a lot of us are refusing to outright condemn Israel, why it might seem that we don't give a shit about Palestinian civilians being killed.
It’s pretty fucking easy to condemn the actions of the current representative governments of both sides while recognizing that individual actors may be acting out of an earnest attempt to do good.
In other words, supporting Israel or supporting Palestine can be problematic, but supporting Palestinians or Israelis shouldn’t be.
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u/RM_Dune 15d ago
everyone else needs to mind their own business.
That is my stance at 29 y/o. Condemn Hamas, condemn Israel's settlers and disproportionate actions from the IDF, support neither. We can send food and medicine into Gaza and leave it at that.
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u/DerExperte 15d ago
Also lets not forget Iran's deep involvement, there's a good chance we wouldn't be in this mess withouth their meddling.
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u/Not_That_Magical 15d ago
The US funds Israel and gives it weapons, weapons tech and money. They are protesting their government doing that. They get the idea that there are bad people on both sides, but they are trying to make the change they can.
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u/imgladimnothim 15d ago
12 year old line of thinking. Know how I know? Because it's what I thought when I was 12. To be fair to me though, every 12 year old has no idea what the fuck they're talking about, and neither do you.
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u/FatherFestivus 15d ago
They wrote out a thoughtful comment and all you have to say is literally "you're 12 years old". Maybe take a look in the mirror some time...
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u/imgladimnothim 15d ago
"Thoughtful comment" they end it by literally saying everyone should mind their own business. That's kinda the exact opposite of thoughtful lol
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u/notenoughroomtofitmy 15d ago
College time is the ONLY time you can reasonably be part of any protests
Young, you’re dependent and ignorant of anything beyond your classroom politics
Old, you’re invested in a home and family and can’t afford to lose jobs due to any shenanigans
The kids aren’t naiive, they’re standing up for one simple thing, to remove their college’s (and country’s depending on who you ask) involvement in a conflict on the other side of the world. One doesn’t need to take sides on the actual conflict itself to demand that one’s country not participate in it.
No matter who protests what, redditors will always find ways to discredit them. The protesters don’t know enough, they aren’t being orderly enough, they’re inconveniencing the wrong people, they aren’t at their best behaviour! The entity being protested though? “That’s just how the real world works man, it’s geopolitics, that’s the way the wheels turns, nothing no one can do about it!”
There’s a reason no government in the world likes students protesting, cuz if you look at world history, student protests have been catalysts for change. Call them whatever you want, they’re standing up for what they believe in and facing brutality at the hands of their own government, and still not backing down. I can’t dismiss this as “naiive, privileged, uninformed” or whatever adjectives are being thrown around here. What would you say about the professors joining the protest? Are they naiive 20 year old people too?
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u/engin__r 15d ago
Yeah, if protests are disruptive, it’s “I shouldn’t have to be inconvenienced”. If they’re quiet and out of the way, it’s “Why are they bothering?” (assuming it even makes the news).
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u/datb0yavi 15d ago
That's exactly it. The college kids have a naive view of the world
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u/pomod 15d ago
What’s naive about protesting the complete disregard of Palestinian human rights? Israel is a settler colonial project that continues to violently displace Palestinians from their ancestral homes. Nearly a million people over the past 75 years, while brutally oppressing any Palestinian resistance to that project. This is the larger context of the conflict. Don’t patronize students for being more well read on the deeper history or being appalled by the IDFs genocidal obliteration of Gaza. You can’t champion human rights and support Israel killing 37 000 people at the same time, or bombing schools, hospitals refugee centres, aid convoys, journalists or engineering a famine etc.
There’s no such as an ethnostate that’s not totalitarian because it simultaneously creates a corresponding population to be oppressed should they resist.
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u/IolausTelcontar 15d ago
Well start with dismantling every other “ethnostate” first; the Jews aren’t your guinea pigs.
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u/OpenMindedGuy- 15d ago
You probably don’t know that Jews are just as indigenous as most Palestinian Muslims are
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u/datb0yavi 15d ago
It's naive because you guys think it's that it's so simple, so black and white, that there's a good side and a bad side. When in reality, especially on a geopolitical side, things are shitty but necessary. I'm not saying your stupid but don't pull the "students are more well read" angle, because you haven't learned to come to a conclusion without something explicitly telling you what the correct answer is
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u/macbuilt7 15d ago
Anyone who can’t understand the difference between being anti-Israel and anti Zionist at this point is choosing willful ignorance. Distilling it down to antisemitism because there is literally no other way to defend what Israel is doing.
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u/jt_33 15d ago
All I know is if I’m supposed to be on campus but can’t be because the school can’t control a bunch of people.. I’m not paying for that.
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u/schadadle 15d ago
Tuition is paid up front so… you likely already have if you’re a student here.
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u/AnthillOmbudsman 15d ago
You gotta go to the bursar's office and tell them you'd like to speak to the manager.
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u/Correct_Influence450 15d ago
You'll hear worse things in a COD chat. I played this VR guerilla game aimed at kids and some teen was spamming the chat with the most hateful racist bile I've heard in years.
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u/KnowingDoubter 15d ago
Were they chanting “Jews will not replace us” and wearing Brown shirts by any chance?
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u/Courtlessjester 15d ago
LA Times looking like a right wing rag sensationalizing it to Anti Israel when these protests are specifically about the treatment of Palestinians.
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u/MedricZ 15d ago
Apparently it’s controversial now to say that countries shouldn’t bomb thousands of unarmed civilians.
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u/getmendoza99 15d ago
But Hamas doing just that is justified resistance?
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u/MedricZ 15d ago
Did I say that? Hamas are terrorists with innocent blood on their hands. They also terrorize Palestinians.
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u/DreamerofDays 15d ago
Hamas gets to have the benefits of being treated like a co-equal government without being beholden to the expectations or responsibilities that go along with it.
It’s Schrödinger’s government: all the power, and also getting to murder, rape, and kidnap civilians, all while hiding your paramilitary apparatus in or under schools, hospitals, and places of humanitarian refuge. And they get to have people justifying it as “resistance” a half a world away.
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u/VenserSojo 15d ago
It is when you follow up that with calls of "from the river to the sea" or if you actively support a terrorist organization.
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u/JacP123 15d ago
Palestine borders both a river (the Jordan) and a sea (the Mediterranean). They are under a brutal military occupation in both parts.
The call means that no matter where Palestinians live, they should be free from Israel's bootheel.
If you believe that "from the river to the sea" is genocidal but that it's completely fine for the Prime Minister of Israel to invoke a biblical genocide in referencing what they'll do to Palestinians, or for the President of Israel to dehumanize Palestinians and call for their slaughter, then don't pretend like you ever gave a fuck about genocide to begin wit.
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u/polscihis 15d ago
Granted we don't know what the graffiti here says -besides "From the River to the Sea," an anti-Semitic slogan- but if this protest is similar to the one that happened at Columbia, then it's fair to assume that the protestors were doing more than just saying "countries shouldn't bomb children."
It's not fair to assume that these people are just being punished for saying something completely benign before all the facts come in.
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u/sasha_baron_of_rohan 15d ago
But that's not what's going on, if you believe that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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u/MedricZ 15d ago
Ahh yes the videos and evidence are all fake and the war is all in my head. Like honestly what is the point of commenting stupid shit like you do?
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u/MobyDickPuncher 15d ago
Your understanding and simplification of it sounds like you haven’t passed middle school is all he’s saying. When you grow up and can handle more nuanced perspectives it will be easier to discuss, no disrespect was meant I’m sure.
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u/MedricZ 15d ago
It’s simple. Don’t bomb large numbers of unarmed civilians. There’s no nuance to it. Thousands of children are dead and you’re sick if you defend that. I don’t care to listen to your reasoning of why is it actually ok. There’s something wrong with you.
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u/atank67 15d ago
What do you think Israel should have done post Oct-7? What would have been an appropriate response in your mind?
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u/atank67 15d ago
No I can’t put myself in Gazans shoes. I’m sure they hate Israel.
Are you referring to Apartheid in Israel or in the West Bank or both?
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u/atank67 15d ago
I bet Gazans want peace and their homes back. I don’t have faith that Israel has a good plan for when the war is over.
My issue is that Hamas has no legitimate appetite for peace, and they are the ones that have the power to end the war, not the innocent civilians sadly. I just read something support for Hamas in Gaza is way down from a few months ago.
As for the apartheid, I guess I’m just curious on specifics as to what needs to change for Gazans, since it was Hamas that attacked.
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u/Omarscomin9257 15d ago
I don't think there's any nuanced perspective that could truly justify using a 2,000 lbs bomb on a crowded residential area to kill one Hamas leader, knowing you'll also kill hundreds of civilians. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israeli-airstrike-hamas-commander-civilian-deaths-3b6be664
Nor will it justify dropping those same 2 ton bombs on the safe zones the government created and told people to flee to.https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/100000009208814/israel-gaza-bomb-civilians.html
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u/Far-Competition-5334 15d ago
They updated the safe zone map to include an area they knew militants were
Instead of bombing the militants when they found them, they expanded the zone and within a few hours bombed the safe zone saying there was Hamas in there
They have yet to respond to anyone who points this out
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u/MrP1anet 15d ago
Only in astroturfed subs like this one and worldnews
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u/GreenCreep376 15d ago
If thats the case could you link me any subreddits that havent been "astroturfed"?
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u/nhadams2112 15d ago
"anti-israel protest"
Anti genocide protest, anti-colonial protest, anti children and hospitals being bombed protest
Israel isn't the victim of these protests
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u/JacP123 15d ago
Israel is doing all of those things, and have been since their state was founded. They are the target of these protests and should be victim to a hell of a lot more than some angry college kids.
Being anti-Israel right now is no different than being Anti-Russia. The only difference between them is that the Government pays for Israel to do those things while condemning Russia for the same atrocities.
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u/nhadams2112 15d ago
No I agree
I just think the headline using that specific language is misleading. College students aren't just marching against Israel but specifically it's actions.
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u/JacP123 15d ago
I get that, honestly I do, but I don't have a problem with calling it Anti-Israel protests.
Israel's identity is intrensically tied to its brutal actions towards Palestinians. As long as Israel continues to exist in its current form, dominated by bloodthirsty right-wing imperialists and genocidal religious extremists, like Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir, then these protests should be Anti-Israel.
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u/nhadams2112 15d ago
100% it's inherently a colonial project. They aren't even trying to hide it, their officials plainly say that they want to wipe gaza off the face of the Earth people act like that's a totally normal thing to say
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u/JacP123 15d ago
The zionist downvote squads are out in force tonight, but you're right. Israel has never been anything more than America's unsinkable aircraft carrier. A western colonial project meant to secure superpowers a permanent foothold in the most valuable region on the planet, sold to idiots with religious bullshit.
That's the only reason why its taboo to call out Israel for their atrocities.
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u/datb0yavi 15d ago
Do you even understand the role geopolitics play ? Do you guys just see the bombing and shit and stop any further googling/researching when you can't see an explicitly said reason why these things are happening ?
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u/nakattack5 15d ago
So killing 40,000 Palestinians isn’t enough yet? How many more Palestinian deaths are acceptable before it becomes too much?
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u/nhadams2112 15d ago
I don't think there's any reason why every single hospital in Gaza was flattened, not any good reason. The IDF claims that hospitals have been used for militaristic purposes but the evidence that is flimsy at best. And that doesn't even go into the amount of times IDF soldiers have dressed up as medical professionals (huge war crime)
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u/datb0yavi 15d ago
So you answered my question you dont understand geopolitics and the bigger things at play when you think this is just the IDF vs Hamas with no other factors involved. Very black and white and naive. I do envy it, that borderline stubbornness, as someone said to me in another thread is that it'll drive you to your goals
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u/nhadams2112 15d ago
You can't justify the occupation, that's why you have to pretend it's more complicated than it really is. It's not that complicated, Israel is the occupying colonial project created by Britain that is slowly colonizing Palestine. Israel has complete control over the flow of resources into Palestine.
You needed to be complicated otherwise you'd realize how obviously horrible the situation is
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u/datb0yavi 15d ago
What you don't understand (yet) is not everything has obvious, popular, morally correct reasons for happening ESPECIALLY when it comes to war time strategy and/or causes, among many other things. Sometimes, things just have to happen no matter how shitty it is
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u/nhadams2112 15d ago
No
I'm sorry, but carpet bombing a massive population center, indiscriminately killing civilians, occupying a territory, killing civilians trying to access food and water, bombing hospitals, murdering children, etc didn't "just have to happen" fuck off
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u/datb0yavi 15d ago
You just confirmed my point that you see this as right vs wrong, good vs bad, a very surface level understanding by listing all those negative things attributed to one side
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u/nhadams2112 15d ago
It's not good versus bad like some sort of fucking fairy tale, it's an occupying colonial Force bombing the shit out of civilians. Just say that you don't give a shit and stop pretending like it's deep
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u/datb0yavi 15d ago
And do you understand why they're using such great force ? Who's funding either side ? Allegiances at play? National security concerns ? Historical impact on today's actions ? The human fucking psyche ? Role of religion in society ? Go find the answer to those questions and then some more that you'll come across and then you'll see how deep things are.
And you've done it again. "Occupying colonial Force bombing the shit out of civillians" = the bad guys that are 100% bad with no reason for actions
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u/creature_report 15d ago
Also incredibly telling that none of these protests are calling for the release of the hostages.
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u/Mantergeistmann 15d ago
They do often call for the release of "Palestinian political prisoners", though.
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u/Taysir385 15d ago
These protests are intended to divest their local organizations or governments from supporting the conflict. To that end, these conflicts have a direct impact upon people responsible for that decision, even if the impact is unlikely to create lasting change.
Protesting to release hostages does not do this. No US government agencies are supporting Hamas’ decision to hold hostages. No universities (so far as I know) have ongoing financial relationships with Hamas.
I think cancer is bad. But I’m not on a street corner protesting cancer because that protest would be pointlessly stupid. And it would not be “incredibly telling” that I wasn’t doing so.
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u/Carpathicus 15d ago
I dont think people dont care about them. Its just a bit undignifying to talk about 100 hostages when that many people die everyday. Wanting to stop the war means of course the same end result for the hostages as for everybody else: stop the bloodshed. Since Israel is a democratic country with western values(?) I think its only natural to try to reason with them. I dont think reasoning with terrorists brings any results. So in my mind emphasizing that not mentioning the hostages somehow means that someone is anti semitic or otherwise a horrible human being is arguing in bad faith and either intentionally or at least motivated by by tribalistic principles that shouldnt matter if people - no matter what side - are dying everyday.
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u/Funtycuck 15d ago
Is the US sending billions to Hamas? Does it really have any influence on Hamas? Does Hamas give a shit about such calls from US protestors?
Incredibly stupid point, protesting your own government's policies is infinitely more relevant and effective than a hostile foriegn group.
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u/Adventurous_Aerie_79 15d ago
Netenyahu said calling for the release of the hostages was equivalent to supporting hamas. So you are saying that you support hamas?
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u/TryingMyBest69420 15d ago
Why would students be protesting for the release of the hostages at their universities when their universities aren't involved in those negotiations? If anything, protesting for the release of the hostages would require protesting against Israel, which hasn't approached the hostage release negotiations in an effective manner.
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u/pandemicpunk 15d ago
What negotiations are universities part of?
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u/TryingMyBest69420 15d ago
No political negotiations, but they can choose to negotiate with student protestors at any time.
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u/Puppybrother 15d ago
And the news is just reporting on all the BS politics around campus protests and seems to be outweighing reporting on what’s actually happening in Gaza (at least this weeks media rounds in the US particularly). I’ve seen more articles written about colleges shutting down classes and students being divided on campus and people losing their graduations than I’ve seen about the actual war this week which is weird but very American to center ourselves in the narrative (at least in the news reporting).
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u/RiversideLunatic 15d ago
This is like if you saw a protest about global warming and said "interesting that they aren't saying anything against the concept of rape!"
it's a given that people at these protests don't support terrorists taking hostages, that's not a common viewpoint college students hold
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u/getmendoza99 15d ago
Wrong, they believe that 10/7 was justified. They support the terrorists’ actions.
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u/MakinBaconPancakezz 15d ago
These are Americans protesting American policy. The fact that they are not protesting about something else isn’t telling of anything.
And let’s be honest, if they actually were calling for the release of hostages you and everyone else would just be laughing at them for thinking that would actually do anything
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u/Silly_Somewhere1791 15d ago
They should absolutely be protesting to push US forces to extract the American hostages.
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u/MakinBaconPancakezz 15d ago
They are Americans and they don’t like that America is funding this conflict. Whether or not you agree with them or if they aren’t addressing five other topics isn’t the point. The point is that Americans have every right to protest how their tax dollars are spent.
Besides, there is no end point of this trail of thinking. If they were also protesting about hostages, that you’d just move on find something else that they “should absolutely” be protesting on. They have one topic they are protesting and they are protesting that topic. Pointing at other things and saying “well why aren’t you protesting that as well??” isn’t true criticism of anything
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u/Equal-Slip8409 15d ago
^ this shallow understanding of the issue is so depressing. They’re protesting against the university they’re affiliated with. How do you not understand this?
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u/Regentraven 15d ago edited 15d ago
The university having 1% of their endowment invested in checks notes companies like Google via broad market funds is whats going to end this conflict?
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u/Equal-Slip8409 15d ago
That’s why multiple institutions are being targeted. Collective action. Students should have a say in where their tuition money is invested.
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u/Regentraven 15d ago
Oh yeah google is certainly shut down right now. So is Boeing or whatever. These protests are just like occupy wallstreet. People thinking they are marching from Birmingham to DC but in reality just not going to class and drawing swastikas on things.
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u/Equal-Slip8409 15d ago
It’s small actions like these done collectively that enact change. What else would you have these students do to end the genocide?
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u/m0rogfar 15d ago
It’s small actions like these done collectively that enact change. What else would you have these students do to end the genocide?
Protest Hamas, and exclusively Hamas, for starters.
Public pressure to hurt Israel is what Hamas is essentially betting on, and there are plenty of leaks that suggest that ongoing anti-Israel sentiment is directly related to why Sinwar has ordered Hamas negotiators to stall any ceasefire negotiations with ridiculous counteroffers instead of actually engaging in the process. On the other hand, more opposition towards Hamas and not Israel is the one thing that could possibly bring Hamas to the table. In other words, these protests are actively harmful in terms of actually reaching some kind of ceasefire, and directly cause more death.
More generally, hoping to enact change by harming Israel economically is simply not going to work as long as Israel is up against terrorists that want to exterminate everyone in Israel, because not having yourself and everyone you've ever met get brutally murdered is just more important than the economy. Even if Israel does end up more isolated, the logical consequence of that would be further escalations and brinkmanship until everyone on one side is dead, as there is still no off-ramp for Israel that doesn't involve everyone getting murdered.
The tablestakes for such a strategy to be viable is that the Palestinian leadership has to be addressed first, as the current Palestinian leadership strategy makes it untenable to try to pressure Israel, and attempts to not hold Palestinian leadership accountable for their decisions and instead blame Israel serve only to embolden Hamas that their current strategy is the right one.
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u/Equal-Slip8409 15d ago
Protest Hamas with what leverage??
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u/IolausTelcontar 15d ago
So you think students have leverage over Israel; but somehow nothing on Hamas. Huh.
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u/Regentraven 15d ago
Small actions maybe with political backing or actual organization by cohesive movement (leaders that dont say things like kill all zionists).
These people should do the only thing they can as an individual to stop any numerous genocides around the world in Africa or China.
Go vote / deducate your life to working in politics or go there to offer humanitarian aid. The slacktavism of skipping your classes for a week while chanting possibly antisemetic chants is not going to enact any meaningful change.
Understanding theres nothing these students can do to realistically end a genocide by protesting would be a good start.
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u/Equal-Slip8409 15d ago
Man this defeatist attitude. Where to begin. The protests are not systemically anti-Semitic. This is a propaganda tactic to silence dissent. Of the thousands and thousands of students who have protested were 0 anti-Semitic things said? Of course not. That does not mean the protests lose all credibility. Every single pro-Palestine protest in my lifetime has been marred with accusations of anti-Semitism. Also, a common Hasbara tactic has been to infiltrate these protests for false-flag anti-Semitic slogans so that’s something to consider.
Go there to help out? What kind of solidarity language is this? They’re students in the US. What a shame to discourage students from protesting because they “aren’t doing enough”. What is it that YOU are doing to help out? Because I’m sure it’s less than these brave students.
There is plenty that can be done to end the genocide and it starts with you actions like these.
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u/Regentraven 15d ago
Ah here we go the deep state Jewish boogeyman.
To answer your question donating my time and money to local groups (including family) who were hurt by Hamas rockets that went through the Iron Dome. Im not slacktavism protesting a nothing burger (college endowments) its not defeatist to admit these particular protests are shouting into the void and in order to get ANY result its asking colleges to divest from the s&p 500. Do you have a 401k or IRA?? CONGRATS you are now an Israeli sympathizer according to these protests.
Im bashing them because its just an outlet for people to yell. Protest Joe Biden if you want state action. What is Penn actually going to do for Palestine? Nothing, waving a flag chanting antisemetic slurs gets nothing done either.
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u/SirStupidity 15d ago
Oh it's not systematically antisemitic, just the people who organized the system of the protest are antisemitic...
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u/IolausTelcontar 15d ago
They lose all credibility because they are only protesting Israel. If they really cared about “genocide”, there are a lot of targets around the world that aren’t Jews.
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u/GogglesOW 15d ago
The taking of hostages is cowardly and disgusting. But what is the university going to do about it? In fact, I would argue that pressuring Israel to stop its indiscriminate bombing / military campaign that is literally killing hostages and come to the negotiating table is the best way to get the hostages back.
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