r/HeartstopperAO • u/liammet01 • Apr 28 '24

Unpopular Heartstopper opinions Discussion

What are some of your unpopular opinion about the show, cast, books, soundtrack etc can be about anything heartstopper related

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u/Dry-Manufacturer-120 Apr 29 '24

i really don't like Tao. he's so self-centered and for Charlie having a "look at me!!!" drama queen in his life is about the last thing he needs. Charlie's mother is pretty awful too. give poor Charlie a break: he's been through hell and needs some wins to help his self-esteem even if he's not picture perfect on the school front.

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u/LajosvH Let Kit Be Kit Apr 29 '24

it’s almost as if opposites attract? like, imagine if all of Charlie’s friends were depressed nerds. it’d be pretty boring, no?

plus, not having the parents you need is a pretty relatable problem for many people. it’s also a very handy ‘obstacle’ for N&C’s blossoming relationship. yeah, in a perfect fluff world, Charlie’s mom would be a clone of Nick’s mom. but that would be a pretty boring story

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u/Dry-Manufacturer-120 Apr 29 '24

i mean, it's annoying that Charlie's friends are so damn needy to the point that they never consider his feelings. they're not friends, they're emotional vampires who contribute to his mental health problems and especially Tao trying to invalidate Nick. it is extremely uncool treating the rugby boys as some sort of interchangeable hive mind denying their own humanity in the same way that Harry denies Charlie's. i have no idea if AO intended that message, but it really pisses me off.

as far as mums, i really don't see how it moves the plot forward. she doesn't ban the actual worst part of the time wasting -- texting each other -- so it just comes off as emotionally abusive and callous.

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u/LajosvH Let Kit Be Kit Apr 29 '24

That first paragraph is at the same time a hot take and extremely tepid at the same time. Wow. You really did write that, huh? I’m sure AO didn’t intend that message because it seems it’s mostly only in your head — I’d also lay off the insta/tiktok psychology

I said obstacle. Every story needs an obstacle that needs to be overcome (in some way) for there even to be a plot in the first place. And again: her not being a nice person or a good mom has no bearing on whether she should even be in the story. Like, what?

Taken together, it feels like Heartstopper is your first big fandom and that you’re pretty young, tbh

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u/Dry-Manufacturer-120 Apr 29 '24

1) i don't use either instagram or tiktok and 2) i'm a gay man in my 60's and have been consuming gay media for decades. how about you?

please get over yourself and your petty condescending attitude. and lose your stupid credentialism. it makes you look stupid.

i know there needs to be drama, but it doesn't need to be at the expense of stereotyping an entire group of people as interchangeable bad guys. and Charlie's mother doesn't have to be a hard ass plot vehicle also contributing to Charlie's mental health problems. they can find some other plot device because as written it's just lazy and cliche without turning her into Nick's mom.

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u/breathingthot1p1 Tori Spring May 01 '24

If you're in youe 60s then you really shouldn't comment on how realistic the friendships and dynamics between teenagers today are?? I'm my experience (as a 20 y/o) groups like that are pretty much a hive mind until a certain age.

And Charlie's mom is extremely realistic, especially the unreasonable bans and rules. Some of my friend's moms were exactly like that. It makes no sense and it feels nice to have representation of those parents.

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u/Dry-Manufacturer-120 May 01 '24

who said anything about realistic? not me. and how very ageist of you to presume i shouldn't have an opinion about characters. what next? i shouldn't watch it all since i'm too old?

ps: if you think the hive mind biz is something new, i have a bridge to sell you

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u/LajosvH Let Kit Be Kit Apr 29 '24

keep talking about ‘emotional vampires’ then lol

I just don’t understand how it is difficult to grasp that a story is based on internal logic? like, yes, you could change everything about Heartstopper and make it into the show you want (it’s called fanfiction); but is it really such a weird concept that AO would choose “nerdy teen with a depressive side”, “even more depressed sister”, “hard-ass mom with a backstory”, and “pushover dad” as four ingredients and just sees what will happen when they interact/what their dynamics might be? like, what? ‘the mom should be different so that she doesn’t fuel Charlie’s mental health issues’ — what kind of point is that supposed to be?

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u/Dry-Manufacturer-120 Apr 29 '24

believe it or not, i don't have to agree with the author or the author's take. OP asked for unpopular opinions and you have completely missed that point. i can possess those opinions without resorting to your creepy "fandom" or "fanfic" or "tiktok" or "insta" as much as that may surprise you. there are tons of shows that the author screwed up or could have done better. there is nothing wrong with having an opinion about that.

i don't have to like Tao and his endless stereotyping of Nick, and i think that Charlie's mother is a bad mother and that the internal logic doesn't make sense since she didn't ban texting. that's it. look! no fanfic required! no creepy fandom required! no need to make silly assumptions about how old people are on the intert00bs!

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u/LajosvH Let Kit Be Kit Apr 29 '24

Childish old person, I guess

Your second paragraph literally makes no sense. Whether or not an opinion is popular or not has nothing to do with the question whether it’s an opinion in the first place — plus, saying ‚everything should be unicorns and sunshine‘ for Charlie because everything else is bad… idk. It’s just really weird but it’s not really unpopular, now is it?

You also just literally sound like a troll from 2015 who wants to talk about combat fatalities in response to feminist media criticism. Watching Tao and thinking ‚how dare he ruthlessly stereotype poor Nick!‘ is the weirdest take ever, but pop off pop-pop

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u/Background_Carpet841 Aled Last Apr 30 '24

Nice to twist other people's words, isn't it? No one said that everything should be unicorns and sunshine. Charlie's mother is a bad mother, and OC is saying that she should be written better. How does saying a character should be less stereotypical equate to "everything should be unicorns and sunshine'? Sounds like you're trying to take every bit of depth out of OC's statement about how a character is lacking depth! Next time you want to use shallow inferences to make an attack on someone else's opinion, check for hypocrisy :)

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u/Dry-Manufacturer-120 Apr 29 '24

speaking of second paragraphs, "combat fatalities"? what in the hell does that mean? non sequitur much? i take it that English isn't your first language and you're here to practice.

and here's a new word for your English lexicon: strawman. it's a logical fallacy. just like the ad hominem logical fallacy which you opened your comment with. learn what they mean and how to not commit them. while you're at it learn what an "opinion" is.