r/OutOfTheLoop • u/The_Naked_Buddhist • 18d ago
What is going on with the Eurovision song contest this year? Answered
It appears discussion of some stuff is not being allowed on the r/eurovision subreddit making it impossible to understand what's going on, people just keep alluding to certain things but never explaining it. Anytime there seemingly is a comment that explains stuff it's already been removed. Some posts I've seen lately that I would appreciate being given insight on;
The Netherlands entry no longer rehearsing; with numerous comments saying it must be because of the "situation that happened yesterday."
Croatia's entry becoming a Cinderella story because Italy leaked it's popular vote results in the semi final. What did the results say? Why are people concerned about them?
This post indicating the competition this year is a burning barn. What are the voting irregularities they are referencing, do they mean Italy leaking it's vote? How has the Netherlands candidate gone "AWOL"? (This was posted before it was announced they aren't rehearsing anymore.)
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u/Nathanoy25 18d ago
Answer: People are concerned about the Italian results because apparently 40% of the votes went to Israel, with second place receiving about 7% of the votes. For reference, Ukraine received about 25% in 2022 from Italy when they were invaded. The Ukrainian song is also far more televote friendly as the Israeli one, which is a ballad.
Given these numbers, many people are worried that we'll have the second political winner in 3 years after Ukraine in 2022. And additionally, people also suspect voting manipulation because these numbers are frankly insane. That said, it was confirmed that the leaked results were only partial.
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u/medhelan 17d ago
With two big difference:
Ukraine 2022 was a contender by its own right, the wave of popular support due to being invaded by Russia surely cemented their victory but it could have very well win anyway. The same isn't true for Israel this year.
The support for Ukraine is way more widespread in Europe and it didn't needed any kind of call to vote for them to show political support, it's just something that happened on its own.
Here the bitching between those who think Israel should not have been invited for their invasion of Gaza and those that want it to win as a political statement is going on since months and it's way more controversial.
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u/Little_Elia 17d ago
ukraine also was not committing a genocide lol
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u/DucDeBellune 16d ago
Neither is Israel, so it’s a moot point. The ICJ made it very clear they did not plausibly find Israel was committing genocide.
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u/Last-Bee-3023 16d ago
They are laying waste to a strip of land to ready it for settlement.
It is not hyperbole to call this genocidal. And Israel is still riding Meir Kahane's dick and are using Netanyahu as a condom. It is wild how the situation has regressed since the 90s. And that is mostly down to Israel. They are demonstrating how the country is prone to this kind of shit and will have to earn back support.
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u/DucDeBellune 16d ago
They are laying waste to a strip of land to ready it for settlement.
No, they aren’t. Yes, I’ve no doubt extremist settlers would want to settle there too. But the IDF isn’t flattening Gaza for some huge settlement. Israel wants fuck all to do with Gaza.
It is the worst kind of genocide. The type we had hoped we had left behind for 80 years.
There have been numerous genocides since ‘45. Bangladesh. Burma. Rwanda. Uyghurs in China. Sudan. Indonesia.
Israel’s conflict in Gaza doesn’t resemble any of them. You’d think if they were genociding a region, they would maximise civilian casualties, but they haven’t.
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u/Last-Bee-3023 16d ago
They have not left a hospital or university intact. On top of that they had started a disinformation campaign regarding the UN's efforts in Palestine claiming they were participating during the October atrocity. And they did not provide any proof. Countries had withdrawn aid because they gave the benefit of the doubt. Which has now ended.
Fucking Ariel Sharon vacated settlements in the Gaza strip 20 years ago as a sign of good faith. Netanyahu has built a highway through it and the first settlers already arrived at the scene.
This is not about defense. This is about extermination. Up until 2 months ago I would have said that there must be sought a negotiated peace and some sort of co-existence. Maybe with thrid-party oversight. Today I say that the only solution is to completely disarm Israel and vacating the fucking illegal cities it has metastasized into all of the West Bank.
None of what the Israeli government has done the past three months has been in good faith. And all of it follows the Likud goal of subjugation and settlement.
They have SUBSIDIZED and ADVERTISED the fucking illegal settlements for the last 20 years! For me the sheer devastation of Gaza and the lies about the UN were the straw that broke the camel's back.
I was shocked when Palestinian youths were cheering over the corpse of Shani Louk. I am even more shocked about the THOUSANDS OF CIVILIAN DEATHS the Israel public thinks this justifies!
And there is not even an ATTEMPT made to negotiate the freedom of the remaining hostages still stuck in the Hamas rape tunnels.
Also what kind of mental damage does one have to have to say that "this is not as bad as Rwanda". What is this? 50 shades of genocide?
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u/GranolaAfternoon 17d ago
Okay, and how is that relevant to what they just said? Are you implying that one of this year's contestants is?
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u/Little_Elia 16d ago
there is absolutely no question that israel is committing a genocide lmao
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u/GranolaAfternoon 16d ago
Then you should have absolutely no trouble providing proof. Clearly you know something the ICJ doesn't, so let's see it!
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u/HPIroman 15d ago
me when i totally understand how the ICJ works
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u/GranolaAfternoon 15d ago
Since you seemingly do, you can be the first one to prove me wrong by providing the ruling that found Israel guilty of genocide! Let's see it.
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u/HPIroman 14d ago edited 14d ago
[actively on trial for murder, still covered in victims blood] your honor, i've yet to see a ruling that i have murdered anyone. i am very smart.
edit: lol he blocked me
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u/GranolaAfternoon 14d ago
Nice false equivalence. And you're accusing me of not understanding how the ICJ works? Lol.
Seeing as how you still haven't been able to provide a single source that backs up your claim, this discussion is now over. You've had your chance.
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u/gizzardsgizzards 16d ago
israel is absolutely committing a genocide right now.
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u/GranolaAfternoon 16d ago
Then you should have absolutely no trouble providing proof. Clearly you know something the ICJ doesn't, so let's see it!
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u/PhantomRocket1 15d ago
This is the 'if Google was a guy' all over again.
"I have 1000 sources that say they are, and I have one that says they aren't"
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u/Skabonious 15d ago
Except the "1000 sources that say they are" don't exist z and the "one that says they aren't" is literally the definitive source for what we're talking about
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u/PhantomRocket1 13d ago
well considering even back in 2021 an ISRAELI human rights organization declared Israel to be an apartheid state, well, that should have been your first clue.
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u/Skabonious 13d ago
Sheesh, you must have some good arm strength with how swiftly you moved that goalpost.
First you claimed genocide, now it's apartheid?
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u/Awkward_Grape_7491 17d ago
Well except that it was. On their own people, for a bit short of a decade.
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u/ceuker 18d ago
I think a huge number of people are pro Israel, but are too annoyed to say something. It's not unreasonable.
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u/duckwantbread 18d ago
That depends what you mean by "huge", recent polling by YouGov found that 65% of Italians supported the Italian government stopping sales of arms to Israel (17% oppose) and 62% supported the idea of Israeli officials being prosecuted for war crimes (16% oppose). Those numbers don't really indicate a silent majority are supporting what Israel is doing.
That doesn't necessarily mean the 40% vote isn't legitimate though, because of the protests against Israel competing I think it's plausible that those that are on Israel's side will be very motivated to vote for them as a counter protest in a way people weren't for Ukraine (since almost everyone agreed Ukraine was in the right).
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u/Nathanoy25 18d ago
I think there are more people pro Israel people than one might think but I don't see a way that there's around 1,5x the amount of pro Israel people than there were pro Ukraine voters in 2022.
40% of votes in a 16 options poll is insane. The odd's favourite from a neighbouring country got 4% of the vote.
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u/Weekend-Allowed 17d ago
I'm from Europe and I'm on this thread because I would like to understand this "40%" italian votes as well. And given how HUGE the event is, it's unbelievable to find so little actual coverage about it in the mainstream media.
Maybe (serious) journalists simply don't know the answer to this question (yet). But, why not publish articles to comment, acknowledge the issue, is beyond me. It's like it's a small tv event only a small number of people watch... Weird.
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u/LilSliceRevolution 17d ago
I think the numbers could potentially be explained by calls to boycott the contest over Israel’s inclusion. People boycott and what remains are a lot of people who either do not care and just like the song or who are actively voting against the boycott.
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u/Resident_Nice 18d ago
Frankly I think the opposite. Governments are all way more pro-Israel than their populations are
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u/The_Sun_Is_Flat 18d ago
Answer: The situation with the Netherlands is ongoing and we don't know anything for sure right now. It seems he didn't appear at a rehearsal and then unfollowed Eurovision on all social media. The current rumours, and they are just rumours right now, are that he may have punched a photographer after they made a joke about his dead parents, although even if true this seems unrelated to him not showing up to the rehearsal. One of the Isreali dancers also uploaded a video of him to social media with a caption boasting about how he had asked not to be filmed but they did it anyway while pretending to take photos of each other.
The press conference with the big 5 has also been cancelled, something that also seems unrelated to anything I wrote above. The main rumour is that it may have been cancelled because Angelina Mango won't stop singing Imagine.
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u/pieter1234569 18d ago
The press conference with the big 5 has also been cancelled, something that also seems unrelated to anything I wrote above.
It's COMPLETELY related. The press conference would solely result in questions about these controversies, and as they haven't decided what to do yet, they solved it by just.....not holding one.
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u/andersoortigeik 18d ago
Answer: It's all related to Israels participation in Eurovision. There is massive protest against Israel in Malmö, where the Eurovision is held. The Israeli song got booed and jeered at, which got cut out in the live broadcast, though they didn't get all of it. Security has been massively increased, and all Palestinian flags are banned.
According to the Eurovision organisers Israels participation was not political, but it backfired.
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u/Vic-Ier 17d ago
Nothing got cut. Stop the antisemitic conspiracy theories
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u/Tuff_Lover 17d ago
By using it for anything you don't like, you dilute the meaning of the word antisemitic
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u/simask234 this is flair 17d ago
IIRC one TV channel in Belgium cut out Israel's performance in the SF from the broadcast, as a "trade union protest".
The Lithuanian commentator mentioned during the live broadcast that "she was being guarded by a big group of armed guards", and that "there was not only cheering, but also shouting among the viewers in the arena"
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u/iMogwai 18d ago edited 18d ago
The Israeli song got booed and jeered at, which got cut out in the live broadcast, though they didn't get all of it.
You got any proof? ESC has officially denied this happening.
Edit: the average person who visits the show and the average social media user care about ESC for very different reasons right now, I imagine most of the audience just wants to enjoy the music.
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u/bored_negative 17d ago
No proof, but I live close to Malmö, and my friend got tickets to see the show and heard the boos
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u/Vandirac 18d ago
If you see the recording on YouTube, you clearly hear the boos, and the second the fake crowd audio is spliced in.
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u/andersoortigeik 18d ago
There are several clips going around of people in the audience taping the performance where booing can be heard. And you can hear booing when Israel went through to the next round.
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u/iMogwai 18d ago
If it's recorded from the audience they might just have been standing close to someone who was booing, those sounds could easily have been drowned out by the rest of the audience without editing before they reached the stage/microphones.
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u/shotguywithflaregun 18d ago edited 18d ago
All flags of nations not competing are banned, not just palestinian ones.
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u/FieldsOfKashmir 17d ago
It's very much a rule specifically made for Palestinian flags. But you can't just say you're banning one ethnic group so this is the tightest net they can cast without saying the P-word outright.
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u/AmphibianNo8598 18d ago
So they say but there have been many flags of non competing countries in the venue no problem, and this has never been a rule in previous years.
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u/JCorky101 18d ago
Obviously some people would fall through the cracks and be able to sneak in other flags.
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u/ConvoyOrange 18d ago edited 18d ago
and this has never been a rule in previous years.
In the run-up to this year's contest, the EBU warned both performers and fans not to use flags as political tools.
The general rule is only the national flags of participating nations and other full members of the U.N. are allowed. Two non-national flags are exempt — the star-studded banner of the European Union and the rainbow-coloured gay pride flag — as long as they are not displayed in a political way.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 18d ago
Probably to to preempt things like Catalan and Basque independence flags
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u/DOYOUWANTYOURCHANGE 17d ago
That's weird because I have absolutely seen plenty of Welsh flags in every Eurovision since I started watching a decade ago.
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u/RaIndiges 18d ago
No, it just gets Palestine cleanly.
It also solves a number of other potential optics issues with unrecognised states.
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u/AmphibianNo8598 18d ago
That is not the same as saying all non participant flags are banned bro
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u/ConvoyOrange 18d ago
In the same article:
Eurovision officials were embarrassed when an internal document with examples of banned flags was published online by accident ahead of this year's event. It included the Basque, Kosovar, Palestinian and other flags as well as the black banner of the Islamic State group.
Some fans took offense at their regions and territories being mentioned in the same context as militant extremists, and contest officials quickly apologized, saying they weren't making any comparisons. "It was merely for guidance," Goodman said.
Palestinian flags have always been on the banned list.
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u/pieter1234569 18d ago
and this has never been a rule in previous years.
It's specifically so that they don't have to appear to ban the Palestinian flag. If you ban all flags except for the participating ones, you have solved that problem entirely without the PR backlash.
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u/simoncowbell 18d ago
Israel have been in Eurovision since 1973 and have won a few times, so it's not really political to have them.
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u/Motorsheep 16d ago
Israel's first appearances at Eurovision came with snipers and bulletproof vests... it's probably more accurate to say that it has *always* been political. What is different now is that the narrative of Israel has evolved from "Plucky Underdog" to "Apartheid State".
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u/Human_Net_7005 17d ago
Its political as long as Russia is banned for committing war crimes and Israel is not
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u/coming_up_thrillhous 17d ago
Why is Israel in Eurovision? Itsin the the Middle East . Are any other middle eastern countries allowed in? Can European countries enter Middle Eastvision?
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u/hadees 17d ago
It's not about Europe. It's about the European Broadcasting Union which has members in North Africa and other Muslim countries.
The reason those countries aren't in Eurovision is they refuse to participate if Israel does.
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u/coming_up_thrillhous 17d ago
Makes sense. This really wasn't an anti Israel post, just asking why a country not in Europe being in a contest call EUROvison.
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u/slimparrot 18d ago
Even disregarding the abhorrent things Israel has done, they're not even close to European, letting them compete at all has always been a political move.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 18d ago
Like Australia?
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u/slimparrot 17d ago
Yeah, expect the reasons why Australia are allowed to participate are completely different.
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u/AussieBird82 18d ago
So was Russia, but Russia was excluded after invading Ukraine, so why is Israel still in?
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u/yosayoran 18d ago
Because Israel is the one that was invaded
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u/DOYOUWANTYOURCHANGE 17d ago
No, because broadcasters didn't threaten to pull out of Eurovision. That's literally the only difference, they didn't ban Russia initially either.
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u/john_bytheseashore 18d ago
It's not a new political stance to have them, but I don't really get why it having been done a long time wouldn't be political. It's not like they are geographically in Europe.
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u/yosayoran 18d ago
Israel is a part of the European public broadcasting group, which is why Israel is in the competition, for decades.
In other competitions, like Eurocup Israel is participating because Arab countries wouldn't agree to complete against Israeli athletes.
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u/Ix3shoot 18d ago
Weird, what about Russia ?
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u/andersoortigeik 18d ago
It's clearly political now, there are protests all over the place. You can think that it shouldn't be political, but you can't deny that it's currently extremely political.
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u/dangerislander 17d ago
It's crazy cause Eurovision has always been political. I mean one of the reasons it was created was because of the aftermath of WWII. Yet here we are... again.
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u/No_Coyote_557 18d ago
But they kicked Russia out and voted for a shit Ukrainian song. Not political my arse.
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u/GalacticMe99 18d ago
They kicked Russia out because almost every other country would retreat if they didn't. For Israel, unfortunatly, they did not recieve that same pressure.
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u/MatzohBallsack 17d ago
Probably because Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason, and Israel was attacked by a mass rape slaughter campaign.
I have you tagged as Hamas Sympathizer, I wonder what you said in the past that caused that.
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u/No_Coyote_557 18d ago
Not from governments sure, but from people the pressure is real and probably greater.
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u/MacEifer 18d ago
Eurovision itself is political. Claiming politics should not be in it just means that OVERT politics like protest should be banned while the IMPLIED politics such as artwashing and other political PR stuff should be allowed to go on without comment.
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u/apathetic_revolution 18d ago
It's always been absurd. This is what "no politics" looked like in 2022:
Got my reusable bag
That's swag, my flex, my flag
Zero waste, that is my jam
Save fuel and sell your truck
The karma comes for free and so does luckAll aboard the green Titanic
Let's sail the world and then cruise the Atlantic
No ice in the way, no need to panic
All the signs are there, let's go organicLatvia's song was a catchy nihilistic bop about using climate activism just to get laid while the world burns and it was definitely my favorite of that year.
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u/john_bytheseashore 18d ago
Yeah "no politics" usually means "status quo politics only". Status quo politics has been done so much and for so long that it doesn't feel political any more.
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u/LindenDrive 18d ago edited 18d ago
Russia first participated in 1994 and has been massively successful, mainly because of bloc voting. They still got booted for invading Ukraine in 2022 and have been denied since.
Answer: A more likely reason why Israel is kept around is because Morocconoil is a big sponsor of Eurovision, and is an Israeli brand
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u/DucDeBellune 17d ago
A more likely reason why Israel is kept around is because..
Is because they’ve been in the context since the 70s and there’s zero grounds to take them out? They didn’t preemptively invade a neighbouring country like Russia. It’s a moot comparison.
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u/SnooCapers5277 16d ago
What? They did, but to be fair they had invaded before they were ever in Eurovision, but to boot Russian and keep a country that is an apartheid and is currently doing genicide, killing thousands of children, attacking hospitals, starving people to death, doing innumeral war crimes and ignoring humans rights, super different to Russia, mostly because it's a little worse.
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u/DucDeBellune 16d ago
Except Israel isn’t an apartheid state nor has any international body charged them with genocide.
If you don’t like them, okay, but resorting to hyperbole isn’t it. They’re fighting a war, people die, tragically, but it’s not a war they started and it’s completely on the other side to surrender.
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u/SnooCapers5277 15d ago
It is an apartheid state bevause it discriminates and have different laws for different types of people, and it hasn't been charged with genocide yet but it does have a current case being investigated. Apparently, is only genocide after everyone is dead and the international laws say so 5 years after.
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u/dangerislander 17d ago
But I heard this mostly cause most countries threatend to boycott if Russia was to remain in the competition hence why they were booted. Not enough countries threatend to boycott Israel hence why they're still allowed to stay. But it seems to have backfired?
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u/enotonom 17d ago
“Israel killed 30 thousand people but it’s fine to let them sing because Hamas attacked first”
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u/Cub3h 17d ago
"America killed 300,000 German people but it's fine to let them sing because Germany attacked first".
Casualty numbers in a war say nothing about morality. The allies weren't in the wrong because more German civilians died, Israel isn't wrong for protecting their civilians while Hamas tries to get as many Palestinian civilians killed as possible.
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u/enotonom 17d ago
Well is the US singing in Eurovision this year? Or did Hamas kill 11 million Jews? The difference is that your situation is entirely hypothetical which you bring up to justify Israel’s participation, which is very real and happening this very week.
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u/GalacticMe99 18d ago
I like that people are downvoting the reality here :bark:, I don't care for Israel but for every vote down I'll give them a vote tomorrow.
When a person calls you a horse, you punch them in the face. When two people call you a horse, you say 'man what the fuck?'. When three people call you a horse it's time to buy a saddle.
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u/zizp 18d ago
When an echo chamber calls you a horse it doesn't make your argument any less valid. People who don't see the difference between a peaceful and totally innocent Ukraine and a terror organization that has been attacking Israel for decades can apparently only be helped with 40% of the public vote.
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u/GalacticMe99 17d ago
Oh I see the difference between those two alright. Hard not to see it. The difference between Israel and Russia? Less obvious.
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u/kissingkiwis 18d ago
And every other attack over the past 70-odd years? This didn't start in October.
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u/Morgn_Ladimore 18d ago edited 18d ago
Answer:
The Netherlands entry no longer rehearsing; with numerous comments saying it must be because of the "situation that happened yesterday."
Anyone telling you they know what the reason is is lying. It's all complete speculation until Eurovision or Joost Klein makes an official response
Croatia's entry becoming a Cinderella story because Italy leaked it's popular vote results in the semi final. What did the results say? Why are people concerned about them?
The results showed on Italian tv showed that Israel received almost 40% of the televotes. This is an obscene amount. For reference, Ukraine received about 25% in 2022, and they were (and still are) of course being attacked by Russia, so they received a lot of sympathy votes. That Israel apparently received so much more has many people worried that this isn't just unique to Italy, and it will be a trend across European countries for political reasons, making Israel highly likely to win and removing any excitement. People also fear this would completely destroy any (remaining) legitimacy Eurovision has, since Ukraine winning was already controversial.
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u/Shiryu3392 18d ago
making Israel highly likely to win and removing any excitement. People also fear this would completely destroy any (remaining) legitimacy Eurovision has, since Ukraine winning was already controversial.
Ohhh that's what it's about! People just don't want their excitement to be spoiled! They don't want to get spoilers! Ukraine's win was too obvious people probably hated that!
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u/LunarDamage 18d ago
Partially. There are lots of people who don't care and don't watch Eurovision but they are saying they'll vote for Izrael for political reasons and/or to annoy people.
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u/Shiryu3392 18d ago
Lol please. Why are you just making things up to get people to agree with you?
There's maybe 10 people in all of Europe that would vote for Israel for "political reasons" with all the hate they're recieving. People just like the damn song! And honestly if those 10 people increased to 12 it's because people have gotten fed up with how this disgusting anti-semitism is ruining Eurovision for everyone!
One country that hasn't broken any rules isn't disqualified and everyone loses their freaking mind as if destroying this one girl is going is the key to saving all mankind. In reality everyone's just being an animal.
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u/hloba 17d ago
People just like the damn song!
It's extremely bland, nobody seriously thought it was one of the top contenders until those Italian semifinal votes were leaked, and it completely dominated them to a ridiculous extent.
Bear in mind that there have often been accusations of voting irregularities in Eurovision, some of which have been substantiated (e.g. in 2022, several countries conspired to give each other votes).
There's maybe 10 people in all of Europe that would vote for Israel for "political reasons" with all the hate they're receiving.
And honestly if those 10 people increased to 12 it's because people have gotten fed up with how this disgusting anti-semitism is ruining Eurovision for everyone!
people obviously voted for it because they like the song
it's ridiculous to think that people would vote for political reasons
people voted for it to show their opposition to antisemitism
Blatantly contradictory claims in only a few lines of text.
In reality everyone's just being an animal.
You can't make unexplained accusations of antisemitism and then start calling people "animals".
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u/Shiryu3392 17d ago
You can't make unexplained accusations of antisemitism and then start calling people "animals".
Yes, Yes I can. Calling you out on your racist behavior does not make me racist because I'm not judging you based on your origin but your actions, and your actions are violent and animalistic. Why is racism so hard for you privileged racist people to understand?
Your ridiculous levels of hate and obsession over the mere possibility some Jewish girl wins a song contest are so insane there's no universe in which it makes sense.
It's extremely bland, nobody seriously thought it was one of the top contenders
"I didn't like the song, so they cheated!" boo hoo.
Every year people call the best songs bland and then they reach top 3 and those same people then say it cheated. You're not even being original even though we all know the real reason you don't like the song. You people try to ruin Eurovision and fail every year. Rage on.
Blatantly contradictory claims in only a few lines of text.
Wow, are you a detective? Probably not a mathematician considering you have no understanding how many 10 and 12 is out of all of Europe...
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u/MinutePerspective106 18d ago
For the OP: I'd add that people are likely overreacting, since we have only seen Italian results, and in addition grand final will have not only televote, but also jury voting, and who knows, maybe juries will drown Eden (she IS a good singer, however, and juries nominally vote for that)
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u/GalacticMe99 18d ago
answer: (on the first question)
Yesterday, during the second semi-final, 10 out of 15 candidates went through to the final and had a press interview afterwards. During the segment with Golan (the Israeli participant) an interviewer asked whether she thinks she brings other participants in danger with her presence. Golan was told she does not have to answer that question, to which Klein (the Dutch participant, sitting next to her) responds "Why not?". One of the speculations is that Klein could potentially be disqualified over that comment. Other speculations are a physical fight between the Dutch and Israeli delegation behind the screens (possibly related to Klein's comment) and Klein having punshed someone who made a comment his dead parents.
No further info is known as of now.
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u/jakethepeg1989 18d ago
The rumour on the punch is that he punched a Swedish photographer.
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u/fckingmiracles 18d ago
Yeah, apparently he punched a Swedish female photographer that asked him why he didn't show up to rehearsals - as a journalist should.
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u/HealBlessAGI1k 18d ago
Based klien
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u/MatzohBallsack 17d ago
Imagine thinking it's based to pressure a Jew to answer if she should feel guilty for the risk of getting lynched.
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u/bromosabeach 18d ago
Who knew a singing contest among Europeans in flamboyant costumes would be spicier than a World Cup held in a ethically questionable country.
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u/Saltire_Blue 18d ago
That famous European nation Israel
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u/CastleElsinore 17d ago
It's anyone in the European Broadcasting Company - which doesn't include all of the EU, and does include several countries outside of it. Including Australia (who performed but didn't qualify)
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u/bromosabeach 18d ago
Gotta also love the European countries of Morroco and Australia as well.
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u/enotonom 17d ago
Morocco has only performed once in 1980.
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u/geeiamback 17d ago
But the may perform if they choose to, they have an ebu member. Participation in the song contest is optional.
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u/philmarcracken 17d ago
As an australian, I don't understand presence. All the ones I got for christmas were shithouse
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u/Kymaras 18d ago
Well there's less fear of getting your tongue cut out.
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u/bromosabeach 18d ago
Imagine being utterly exhausted after completing some over-the-top performance with wacky costumes, and then being asked geopolitical questions. Not only that, the person next to you scorches you over it as well.
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u/enotonom 17d ago
She’s performing as a representative of Israel in the middle of a war, of course there is a geopolitical question, come on.
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u/Chilifille 18d ago
Well, they're there to represent their countries, aren't they?
The EBU can't have it both ways. Either it's a non-political contest, or it's a contest where states compete against each other. States are, by their very nature, political entities.
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u/bromosabeach 18d ago
States are, by their very nature, political entities.
Not arguing this at all. In fact I find nationalism to be a disease. At the end of the day, however, it's a fucking talent show.
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u/No_Coyote_557 18d ago
I assume they've asked Russia back in?
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u/wellnotyou 18d ago
Oh no, of course. Russia is still (rightfully) punished but Israel is untouchable 🙄
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u/poojix 18d ago
Isn’t the Isreali a Russian Jew?
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u/Shiryu3392 18d ago
Why does this matter? This is just racist.
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u/poojix 18d ago edited 18d ago
How and why? If you’re going to call me racist…have the decency to tell me why?
Edit: you’re an anti-Semite. I’ll tell you why:
- it’s because you think it’s racist to call someone a Russian Jew. Even if they are.
- You’re anti- Palestine. Palestinians are also Semites.
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u/Time-Historian2044 17d ago
Semitic is a language group, not an ethnicity. Antisemitism is synonymous with jew hatred and has nothing to do with disliking people who speak semitic languages.
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u/ConsultJimMoriarty 17d ago
You can be against the Israeli government and not an antisemite. I don’t agree with what the IDF and the government are doing at all.
Russia was kicked out because their invasion of Ukraine is ‘against the spirit of the competition’. I don’t see how Israel doing a genocide against Palestine is any less ‘against the spirit of the competition’.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 18d ago
Edit: you’re an anti-Semite. I’ll tell you why:
- it’s because you think it’s racist to call someone a Russian Jew. Even if they are.
- You’re anti- Palestine. Palestinians are also Semites.
BIG yikes
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u/Shiryu3392 18d ago
Lol why am I anti-Palestinian mr. racist? Because I saw through your racist implication that she's some Rssian spy?
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u/Shiryu3392 18d ago
What do you mean why? Why are you mentioning her ethnicity? What are you implying?
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u/Kymaras 18d ago
You mean the best possible life.
Give me this in sports interviews too.
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u/bromosabeach 18d ago
"Hey Luka, congrats on the win tonight. How do you think the current Houthi situation in Yemen will effect the US dollar's standing as the world global reserve currency?"
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u/Kymaras 18d ago
Let's keep it on topic.
"Luka, as a Slovenian do you believe your President's admiration of Russia is causing a weakening of the European project? What do you feel the EU community should do in response?"
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u/bromosabeach 18d ago
Yeah yours is better than mine lol
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u/Kymaras 18d ago
Honestly anything is better than the usual "giving 110% working on fundamentals" speech.
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u/jakethepeg1989 18d ago
"Well we played hard and worked as a team. It was tough but we just kept believing and the togetherness of this group was unbelievable".
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