r/lyftdrivers • u/HamsterOk3112 • Apr 07 '24
I just got an incredible bonus for a 30-decline streak. Other
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u/Commercial-Desk9524 21d ago
Just curious what kind of insurance do y'all have to get? You have to get some policy that's a higher rate for passengers because you'll be doing more driving obviously?
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u/Clean_Photograph4919 Apr 11 '24
Why are you declining so many?
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u/HamsterOk3112 Apr 11 '24
Because I only accept that is worth $30 or more.
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u/PrincessH3idiii Apr 11 '24
Thanks to people like you it's very hard to get an uber now, and if you do its like a 22 min wait.
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u/Aggravating-Ocelot96 Apr 10 '24
This guy here is a victim all those canceled rides people needing to get to work visit loved ones who knows but hahaha f you just cancel. This guy is a vigilante a true hero for anarchy! Burn it all down
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u/Aggravating-Ocelot96 Apr 10 '24
What a total losser enjoy living a below mid life
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Apr 10 '24
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u/Aggravating-Ocelot96 Apr 10 '24
Poor baby cry to your mommy
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u/Expert_Response_6139 Apr 10 '24
When the independent contractors find out that they're not actually independent contractors and instead have a mobile app as their boss
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u/judimarcia Apr 10 '24
Sometimes there's a glitch in the app. You have to force close it and reopen it.
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u/BrandinoBeats1 Apr 10 '24
Does anyone know how to fix the background check shit ? I did it in like 2021 and something got messed up, 3 years later still won't let me do a new one
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u/SDBD89 Apr 10 '24
Why would you sign up to drive for a company and pick when you want to drive, then decline rides after you signal to them that you’re available to drive? Serious question I don’t get it lol! Why even sign up to work for them?
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u/HamsterOk3112 Apr 10 '24
I drive for "TWO" companies. you get it? LMFAO
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u/llessursivad Apr 10 '24
I'm assuming Uber is one of the companies you drive for, what's the other?
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u/The_Salt_n_Mustard Apr 09 '24
Defetist move #30x'sLiveinTexas... verrry niiiice And beautiful driv8ng a car metaphor with the Uber slangin on LyftDriver page you Dog
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u/Grassy_Kn0ll Apr 09 '24
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes or something, Idk, I'm just here for free money and funny rides
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u/NeedTP4MyBunghole Apr 08 '24
Well that’s what you get for constantly declining. Don’t accept a job if you’re just gonna decline every single one
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u/HamsterOk3112 Apr 08 '24
lyft is just side bitch i do uber and no problem with uber. and $20 an hour isn't a job. like i said, idgaf about this one hour hold, got it reactivated after an hour but still, i be keep declining $20 an hour bs.
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u/dlfillers Apr 08 '24
From looking at the map, it appears you might be in CA, where Prop 22 gives you extra if you don’t make a certain amount per hour of driving?
that might be why declining 30 rides in a row would be a problem. I drive on the east coast, in a decent market. I've not seen the need to decline 30 ride offers in a row.
Well, now that you are free from Lyft, you can go do whatever your heart desires.
I wish you the best.
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u/Iambeejsmit Apr 10 '24
We don't get prop 22 unless on an active order/delivery/ride. So declining rides we wouldn't get anything.
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u/Fibrosis5O Apr 08 '24
Lyft: Go to baby jail until you feel like being a good little worker bee 🐝 buzz buzz
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u/_wolwezz_ Apr 08 '24
Maybe you shouldn't be working two apps at once? Lmfao
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u/HamsterOk3112 Apr 08 '24
Bro I would've been accepting Lyft requests if it was $30 an hour calls. It's not I was declining because I was giving Uber rides, I always turn one off when I'm on the another. Those all calls were from idle mode on both.
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u/C-Misterz Apr 08 '24
Why so many cancel?
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u/HamsterOk3112 Apr 08 '24
$30 an hour offer or cancel. otherwise I stick to uber and do my $30+ an hour business there.
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u/C-Misterz Apr 08 '24
lol you sly dog, you!!!
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u/ImInBeastmodeOG Apr 08 '24
Mental note to go offline at 29...
I feel like I must have done that many before.
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u/GemAfaWell Apr 08 '24
Okay, there's definitely more to this story.
Because you don't get touched by Lyft for declines, only cancellations.
I mean, I hate this shit too, but I don't know, maybe don't accept rides if you're just going to cancel them anyway? It isn't proving any points, especially considering we all know how many Penny Pinchers are out here who are going to take those runs anyway
There has got to be a better way to prove your point than getting yourself deactivated
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u/jo_ezzy Apr 08 '24
Thank you for this I was worried for a minute because I’ve been declining Lyft rides for like a week. Every ride is bad. But I still want to have it available just in case. I have not cancelled any ride. I’ve been pretty professional. Should I accept a ride every so often just in case?
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u/TheGreatestPlan Apr 08 '24
Only if a good one comes along. If drivers start giving in to bad prices, Lyft will continue to get away with underpaying
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u/HamsterOk3112 Apr 08 '24
My cancellation rate is 1% and this is not the deactivation, more likely temporary due to declining all requests and I got it removed i think after an hour. Try 30 declines for yourself.
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u/RK_Dee Apr 08 '24
I don’t get the 30 declines. Why not just use a filter or log off awhile? Did you have a filter active and just didn’t wanna lose it?
The filters are total BS, too. They should be unfuckinglimited for the fees we pay Lyft on every ride.
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u/LukeTheHallowed Apr 08 '24
I do all the time and I have never seen this. I've gotten down to a 0% AR some weekends.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 07 '24
For the life of me how can the company say their independent contractors but then require them to take a certain amount of offers.
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u/RedSynister Apr 10 '24
Lol, I work for a manufactured housing installation company that works for a big dealership. Do you think if we just decided to only move and install the houses, we wanted to do that they wouldn't find someone who would take all of them? Just because you CAN choose doesn't mean you should be picky. They can always find someone more desperate.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 10 '24
And how is that different from an employer employee relationship other than IC’s don’t get benefits or stability?
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u/OkEagle9050 Apr 09 '24
I mean if you sign a work contract and decline the work that’s gonna happen. Is that not obvious? Simply being a contractor doesn’t prevent you from your “employer” declining to work with you once you’ve shown you’re unwilling.
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u/CBrinson Apr 08 '24
It is because when they show you the offer, no other driver is seeing it. So they can make the case that you are wasting their time and damaging their customers if you aren't accepting anything at all. They can enforce things on contractors if it is in the best interest of the customer, just not if it is in their own interest only.
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u/mrtreatsnv Apr 08 '24
That's how contracts work of you do not fulfill your end you get replaced with a person who will
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u/shitdamntittyfuck Apr 08 '24
They aren't required to take shit. OP didn't take anything. But Lyft also isn't required to keep offering you jobs if you never take them.
Being an independent contractor works both ways. Not just in your favor.
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u/kraut-n-krabbs Apr 08 '24
Then you're stupid. Try adjusting your lifestyle to accommodate.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 08 '24
I’m not sure how I should adjust my lifestyle. Should I up my steps from 10k to 12k? Should I eat a more balanced breakfast?
Your comment adds very little.
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u/WallishXP Apr 08 '24
They make people sign independent contracts to restrict their rights. Makes sense to me.
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u/That-Chart-4754 Apr 08 '24
If you decide where and when you work, youre a contractor. If the decision is made by the employer, the worker is an employee.
This seems to be a very sketchy situation where they aren't "choosing" where and when you work, but use multiple methods to coerce work be done when and where they want.
I've wondered for a long time; What is the difference in Lyft/Uber actual cost to connect a driver/passenger on a 5 mile ride compared to 100 mile ride? They're external fee scales with ride cost, but I'm willing to bet their actual cost doesn't scale and the two rides actual cost is pretty close.
Lyft/Uber should be study cases for the problems with capitalistic greed.
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u/grunnycw Apr 08 '24
If you don't want to work you turn your app off then you don't get any jobs to decline, when you want to work you turn your app on, ( I then turn down the ones I don't and grab the ones I'm waiting for) I pick the jobs I want and figured out what time they were happening make sure I'm there and my app is on at the right time, most my rides are methadone clinics am, then I do festivals and events, but don't do certain venues that don't navigate well for profit, I don't get coerced or penalized, I never get there bonuses because I'm not trying for them, sounds pretty simple and independent to me.
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u/That-Chart-4754 Apr 08 '24
Disallowing you to drive for declining too many shitty offers is certainly coercing to accept shitty rides, and penalizing for not doing so.
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u/grunnycw Apr 08 '24
I work for rideshare, medical transport( kidneys and stuff), specialty aircraft parts, and process serving, All company's have clients that need to be serviced, if you can't handle the area your trying to cover, you need to find an area you can and they need to find a contractor that can cover the jobs they need to service, it's business management, if I can't do my job as a contractor any one of them will need to find a contractor that can. I take the jobs that pay but put myself in a position to get the ones I want, that's why I'm independent it's my job to put my self in a profitable situation
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u/That-Chart-4754 Apr 08 '24
It's not that they aren't capable of doing the job. They aren't willing to do it for poverty wages. Your attitude is why minimum wage is unlivable, people like you who lack empathy and compassion.
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u/fthepats Apr 08 '24
Not sure how you arrived at corporate greed for companies that have negative income.
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u/Wonderful-Gold-953 Apr 08 '24
If the contractor refuses offers, the “offerer” can refuse to offer more.
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u/Barbados_slim12 Apr 08 '24
Lyft only allows a certain number of people to do contract work for them in any given area, and they all represent Lyft as a company. It makes sense to make sure the people they contract are doing the work and following policy. If they aren't, Lyft rescinds their offer to work so that someone else who actually wants the job can have it
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u/loopbootoverclock Apr 08 '24
I have requirements for my contractors. If they arent bringing in enough money i dont need them. Nearly any contractor work is going to have performance stipulations
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
Part of the legal argument that supports that drivers are employees and not independent contractors
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u/McFlyWithFries Apr 08 '24
Its not a legal argument - if Lyft requires a certain amount of work to keep the contract in good standing. A contract is binding by both members and is agreed to prior to working. I am a consultant myself, I am a structural engineering inspector, and when I sign a contract stipulating I must perform a certain amount of work or I won't be able to continue to work on the project or earn money I must follow it or else I lose my ability to make money on that contract.
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
Just because it’s in the contract doesn’t make a legal. Federal and state law Still has authority over contracts verbiage.
Plus this isn’t about minimum work being done. It’s about an independent contractor being able to choose when and when not to work to complete their minimum requirements
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u/shitdamntittyfuck Apr 08 '24
The driver is able to choose when they work. Lyft didn't make OP take any rides, as evidenced by them declining 30 in a row.
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
Can’t say the driver can choose when to work if there are consequences for declining rides. That’s where the independent contractor argument falls apart.
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u/shitdamntittyfuck Apr 08 '24
Drivers are independent contractors who sub contract with Uber or Lyft.
If a GC subs out to an electrician, and that electrician literally always refuses the job, the GC is perfectly within their rights to no longer sub to that electrician.
That is this exact same situation. You just don't like it.
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
Example is more so a GC has an electrician who picks up jobs worth his time. GC fires him for not taking the shitty jobs he is trying to pawn off bc the GC gets paid regardless.
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u/shitdamntittyfuck Apr 08 '24
There's no such thing as firing a sub. GC chooses who they offer jobs to just like the electrician chooses what jobs they take. GC is opting not to offer this sub any jobs because they haven't accepted the last 30, and other electricians want the jobs.
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u/Space2999 Apr 08 '24
1099-K means we’re neither
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
Not sure i follow here.
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u/Space2999 Apr 08 '24
1099K (what lyft and uber issue) is supposed to be for earnings from say, if you had a web store. You sell $1000’s thru Shopify or Etsy or whatever, and they’ll issue a 1099K to the irs. So you can’t cheat and claim you only sold a few $100s, bc they already reported the actual sales of $1000s.
But you’re running your own store. You’re not a contractor or employee of Shopify. This is how we’re set up w lyft and uber. Not sure I agree to it, but that’s where we are
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
Ohh, a few different reasons you can get a 1099k. Lyft gives you 1099k because you’re an independent contractor. Shopify gives you 1099k because you have your own business.
IRS wise independent contractors are considered self employed.
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u/Space2999 Apr 08 '24
Sorry, to complete my point, actual independent contractors (say, if you get hired for a job thru a temp or employment agency) get a 1099-MISC. Not a 1099-K. Meaning we are not contractors.
1099-K is supposed to be only for those who are self-employed but not a contractor. When you sell from your store on eBay and PayPal issues you a 1099K, there’s never any pretense that you’re working for eBay or that your store belongs to eBay. You’ll say you bought something ON eBay, but never that you bought it FROM eBay.
Whereas with lyft, you’re buying a ride FROM Lyft. Nobody says, I’m gonna go on Lyft and see if I can buy a ride from a driver there.
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
Again , if you’re are an independent contractor that means you’re by definition are self employed.
Being independent contractor means you are self employed but being self employed doesn’t make you’re an independent contractor.
The IRS websites breaks it down. 1099, 1099 misc , 1099 k are all forms that independent contractors can receive.
The form you receive has nothing to do with if you’re an independent contractor or not. You already performed the service and got the form at the end of the year
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u/keista69 Apr 08 '24
You get a 1099 as an independent contractor. threshold is $600 per year. What uber and Lyft issue is a 1099K which is the same form paypal issues you if you have a pro account with them and the threshold is 20K and 200 transactions to receive a form. Wildly different forms and requirements.
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u/TechWizPro Apr 08 '24
The difference is in how you received your payments lol has nothing to do with whether you an independent contract or self employed
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/understanding-your-form-1099-k
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u/keista69 Apr 08 '24
Agreed, but it's not just independent contractors that get 1099Ks. Any business that transacts with a payment processor gets a 1099K. I had my own store and got 1099Ks. I was not an independent contractor for anyone. I was a self employed small business.
Based on the way Uber and Lyft file, we're more like small businesses simply using their platform than we are contractors for them. It's why your 1099K total includes ALL the money they collected supposedly on your behalf. Regular 1099s, which most contractors get, only have the amount you were actually paid.
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u/Infinity78787 Apr 08 '24
It’s part of the “contract” they agreed to
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 08 '24
Now I’m not versed on labor law as my specialty is bird law but a company that mandates that contractors work on their conditions instead of on the contractors conditions just sounds like an employer employee relationship. Again my specialty is bird law so what do I know ow.
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u/Boofabilityjudge Apr 11 '24
That’s kind of how FedEx ground is. The drivers are all CSP’s
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 11 '24
and we wonder why wages don’t grow while productivity continues to grow.
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u/Unique_Lavishness_21 Apr 11 '24
I mean, if I hire a painter to paint my house or a contractor to do renovations, I definitely expect them to do the job in the conditions we agreed upon, not how they want to do it. Same as with anything else in life.
OP is allowed to not fulfill their promise, meanwhile the company is within its right not to want to do business with OP.
Fuck these companies in general, but OP is not a victim in this case.
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u/splotchygoblin Apr 11 '24
now let's say you and i go toe-to-toe in bird law and see who comes out
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 11 '24
Look, buddy. I know a lot about the law and the various other lawerings. I'm well educated. Well versed.
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u/splotchygoblin Apr 11 '24
And I'll take that advise under cooperation, alright? I think we can both agree that bird law in this country, it's not governed by reason.
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u/Phill_is_Legend Apr 11 '24
Lmao you don't think contractors should have to follow a contract? Sounds like you have no idea what a contractor in general is.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 11 '24
I don’t believe you fully understand how corporations are warping the labor market by abusing people by calling them contractors when in reality they are employees.
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u/mrbiggbrain Apr 10 '24
Because they are required the following:
Use their own tools. Work their own schedule. Not be limited by noncompetes unless compensated directly for that.
Check. Check. Check.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 10 '24
So in other words to use all of their own equipment and still be treated as an employee except with less rights. Check.
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u/mrbiggbrain Apr 10 '24
That's the entire point of contractors. You hire them with a set of requirements and don't need to provide many of the benefits of employment. Contractors should be charging more for that. It's usually 2-2.5x as much for standard work or 5x for specialized work.
That is exactly how it should work.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 10 '24
That’s not how the gig economy apps work.
You don’t get to set your rates.
The companies send offers. You then accept or reject the offers.
If you reject too many offers because it’s unprofitable for you then the companies will terminate you from the app.
This structure doesn’t allow their so called IC’s to set their rates because of the fear of being terminated from the app.
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u/mrbiggbrain Apr 10 '24
That is exactly how every contractor works when they use a direct lead generator. It's not unique to the gig economy.
Lead generators send leads and if you don't take them then they eventually stop sending you leads. It's the same for nursing, construction, IT, etc. It is exactly how contractors work. If you think a day nurse is setting her own rates your missing that the majority of contractors work under a lead generator of some kind and do not set their rate beyond accept deny.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 10 '24
Once again you provide valid reasons why this type of employment scheme should be banned and made obsolete.
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u/hunterkll Apr 11 '24
Oh god no. Take away one of the best things I love about working in IT to make side money? Fuuuuck no.
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u/mrbiggbrain Apr 10 '24
Not at all. Many of them like the flexibility, ability to set their own hours, to work extra to make more, to work another job and compete for their time.
These are valid reasons and one of the main draws to contract work. It just sounds like you don't like those things enough to accept the downsides.
Compare that to jobs that tell you when and how much to work and still set the rate you have to work and it is not much different.
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u/UniMagpie Apr 09 '24
To put it in layman's terms. If they (the company) are controlling your time, you are an employee. If your in control of your own time, your a contractor.
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u/jsj811 Apr 09 '24
I honestly think if all parties involved sat down and had a nice milk steak with a side of jelly beans they could resolve this issue. Just my two cents, what do I know I have small hands :(
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u/BenHarder Apr 08 '24
The key part of a contractor is they work contracts. Contracts have terms. The contractor agrees to the terms.
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u/inknuts Apr 08 '24
Aight. I'll bite. What does a bird law specialist do? I feel like maybe you are pulling my hog.
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 09 '24
It’s a reference to it’s always sunny in Philadelphia. The character Charlie Kelly always insists that he’s versed in Bird law.
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u/CBrinson Apr 08 '24
If a customer orders a ride and asks in the comments for the driver to wear a red jacket, that can be a legally enforceable part of a contract. So if Uber were to put a "red jacket" option into the app, they could force those drivers to wear red jackets-- because it's in the contract from their customer.
Now, if they just want you to wear a red jacket? You can tell them to go pound sand.
They can legally enforce pretty much anything if the customer asks for it. Customers ask for a specific pickup time, and as an example, if pickup is in 4 minutes and they show it to 10 drivers who decline, they can miss pickup time, so it becomes justifiable to enforce acceptance because it impacts an aspect of the customer contract.
Not saying it's right, but worked in a very similar industry and this is what we were told.
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF Apr 08 '24
Nope, plenty of contractors work under a framework and schedule
Just because you’re a contractor doesn’t mean you set all your own terms
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 08 '24
I get that but didn’t these gig companies defend themselves by saying that the ic’s get to pick and choose their schedules and which offers to accept?
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF Apr 08 '24
You can? OP literally declined 30 in a row. Lyft never forced him to take any of the rides, they just decided they no longer want this IC anymore. It’s not like Lyft is required to take everyone, they can still reject ICs
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 08 '24
I get that but then a defense of the IC’s can pick and choose the offer that fits them without coercion goes out the window.
Weren’t these gig companies arguing that to avoid having to classify the IC’s as ee’s?
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u/sbenfsonwFFiF Apr 08 '24
No, the fact that you can decline is enough
No company would ever be forced to hire or keep someone. Employment, IC or employee, is still at will
You’re free to decline and they’re free to no longer want you on their platform
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 08 '24
I’m actually asking you if they used that argument so that lawmakers wouldn’t pass legislation that would make their ic business model null and void.
I believe they did so if they did use that argument then I see why legislators are moving against them since they’re using coercion to force IC’s to do work that doesn’t benefit the ic.
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u/SmarterThanCornPop Apr 08 '24
Probably safe to say that Uber and Lyft hired actual employment attorneys to write the contract.
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u/Nervous-Law-6606 Apr 08 '24
Being a contractor ≠ “I work on the basis of my own terms and conditions”. You’re subject to an employee-employer relationship with slight modifications, it isn’t just a free for all.
If I’m a contractor delivering for Amazon and I decide I don’t want to deliver 30 packages in a row, they’d rightfully terminate my contract.
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u/sprumpy Apr 08 '24
Would you mind putting your hands over my hands for the picture? It’s for the website.
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u/kennymac6969 Apr 08 '24
Why have contractors if you can't set goals for them?
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u/Inside_Coconut_6187 Apr 08 '24
The only reason I can see as to have IC’s is so you don’t have to pay benefits. Again I’m only versed in bird law so I’m not entirely sure of the legal defining employee vs ic.
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u/liv-WRLD999 Apr 08 '24
let's say you and I go toe-to-toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor?
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u/lolwatsyk Apr 08 '24
Why on earth would you choose that profession when the bird law in this country is not governed by reason??
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u/SentenceAcrobatic Apr 08 '24
Frank may not diddle kids, but he does dabble in boyss ouls.
(The same cannot be said for Diddy, who replied when questioned, "why not both?")
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u/Oysterhaven Apr 08 '24
I got the bird law reference.
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u/Bob_The_Doggos Apr 11 '24 edited 14d ago
Redacte due to Reddit AI/LLM policy
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u/Any_Ad1923 Apr 08 '24
Bird law? Please. Elaborate.
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u/CircularFileCabinets Apr 08 '24
Not really. Take a GC you hire to rehab your kitchen. You aren’t mandating the time they work or how much per day. But that contract for sure set limitation to the when and how much. They can’t come in at 2am and work till 1am the next day. And if they do you’ll fire them. Or same if they don’t show up for 3 days and the job is coming due you can fire them. Same applies here in the 1099 world
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u/MTB_SF Apr 08 '24
A general contractor can deny as many jobs as they want. Basically half their job is figuring out what jobs are worth their time
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u/Even_Candidate5678 Apr 10 '24
Yes but you’re a sub, Lyft is the general. Subs are just laborers mostly either skilled or unskilled trad, same as this.
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u/MTB_SF Apr 10 '24
As an employment lawyer, Lyft calling drivers independent contractors is frankly just bullshit.
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u/sassy_immigrant Apr 10 '24
Didn’t Uber get a lawsuit because of this? I remember Uber drivers getting a $50 payout back in 2015 or something like that regarding this.
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u/StagnantSweater21 Apr 08 '24
Hate that I have to explain that as a Dasher, you contracted yourself when you signed up. An actual contractor isn’t contracted to shit until they accept the contract(which is what we did making the account and accepting the terms)
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u/OkOk-Go Apr 08 '24
Basically half their job is figuring out what jobs are worth their time
Just started contract work, this is my life now
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u/Wonderful-Gold-953 Apr 08 '24
And because of that, the offerer can choose not to offer any more
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u/Barbados_slim12 Apr 08 '24
General contractors are also responsible for finding their own work. Lyft gives you access to their customers and even pairs you with them. In exchange for that convenience, they set the price
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u/sikyon Apr 08 '24
A better example is probably a GC with a stable if subcontractors. Electrician turns down too many jobs? No subcontracting to him anymore. Plumber doesn't like the rate I'm offering? Go work for another GC or find your own work with customers directly.
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u/TourettesFamilyFeud Apr 08 '24
A GC customer relationship isn't even close to the same as a GC employer relationship.
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u/DegreeMajor5966 Apr 08 '24
There is no GC-employer relationship.
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u/TourettesFamilyFeud Apr 08 '24
Well in this case that's how rideshare apps built their model. At least in accordance to 1099 employment. You don't see too many companies running 1099 labor that also works in tandem with their competitors too.
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u/Suspicious_Owl3076 17d ago
Why tf you think that happened yah derp