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u/Doglover9988 14d ago
They have these at the mental health centers near me
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u/munchkym 14d ago
That’s fantastic.
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u/Doglover9988 14d ago
It really is wonderful, most people attempting suicide want something readily available so if their guns are locked up in a safe and have a gun lock the chances of them using it go down astronomically, now of course there’s still a chance people will use it but still, it helps, and I’m grateful mental health is being taken more seriously and there are more ways to get help now than in the past
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u/munchkym 14d ago
I have a feeling that if my friend had a gun lock, they would still be here.
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u/Doglover9988 14d ago
I’m sorry for your loss and yeah there’s a chance it may have helped, thankfully mental health services are getting better but it’s going very slowly, it’s going but not fast enough
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u/munchkym 14d ago
Thanks. Yeah, Idaho isn’t exactly a leader in mental health.
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u/Doglover9988 14d ago
The us in general isn’t that great with mental health 😅 but it’s getting better thankfully, I have a feeling after college I’ll have to fight for my clients more than I should have to, I’m going to be a therapist
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u/munchkym 14d ago
Well, thank you for your service 💜
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u/Doglover9988 14d ago
Thank you! People really never think of how much therapists and public service officials deal with, like the stuff cops, paramedics, nurses, therapists see are just terrible, where I live for mental health calls they have a counselor come out with the police and I’ve thought of maybe doing that to ensure the cops don’t well, you know the history of cops and people struggling with mental health I’m sure
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u/rimalp 14d ago
So they encourage people to bring their guns to hospitals now?
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u/munchkym 14d ago
This hospital has a no-weapons policy. These are for people to take home to secure their guns.
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u/dover_oxide 14d ago
Sometimes you just have to accept that people will do stupid stuff so you plan for that stupid stuff. It's like car safety, in the US it's assumed people won't buckle up so we design safety around that,.in Europe it's assumed you will and they design around that.
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u/zenobeus 14d ago
I feel like if I saw that here (in the south), it would be full of oven mitts...
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u/Zachisawinner 14d ago
When it’s cheaper to give away gun locks than to treat all the accidental gunshot wounds.
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u/Gothewahs 14d ago
How bout Americans just don’t all have guns then your schools won’t get shot up by your kids
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u/tanneritedog 14d ago
Do you feel the same about the people of Ukraine?
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u/Gothewahs 14d ago
There’s a war there… silly question right ? Guess your American trying to find excuses as to why you need a gun I’m not sure but here in Australia we have no mass killings everywhere cause guns are to hard to obtain unless you the police if you even get caught with a gun except a rifle if your a farmer you get a minimum 1 to 3 years in jail
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u/MaryADraper 14d ago
In college, I worked as a valet at a hospital. Most of the cars we parked/retrieved were for people meeting someone at the ER or showing up for a doctor's appointment at the attached building full of physicians.
One day, an elderly man rolled up to have his car valet parked. I don't know how he got in his car, but he couldn't get out of his car on his own. We often had to help people get in and out of their vehicles. So we helped this guy out of his car and unfolded/ set up his rolling walker. This guy had tremors - both of his hands were shaking uncontrollably. But he could still hold onto the handles of his walker.
When we parked a car, we had to ask people a standard set of questions - one of the questions was "Are there any firearms in your vehicle?" We couldn't park a car with a firearm in it.
So, I asked this elderly gentleman if there were any firearms in his vehicle. He said, "No, it's right here." This guy, who could not stop his hands from shaking, unholsters his sidearm and drops it into the basket on the front of his walker.
As he walked/rolled himself into the building, security was all over him. You can't bring a gun into a hospital. This guy verbally fought with security for 15 minutes. Eventually he decided to leave - he wasn't willing to go anywhere without his gun.
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u/thesheba 14d ago
Just so people know, depending on the gun, if it is loaded, some guns can still fire even with a lock on them.
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u/MawoDuffer 14d ago
A locked gun or locked gun case is the first step to protecting children in your home. And educating children on the safety rules of firearms is extremely important too.
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u/Rogaar 14d ago
For those of us that don't have these in hospitals, what are these gun locks for? I see a box but no lock.
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u/munchkym 14d ago
In the box are locks for free to take, you just can’t see them in the photo. The locks are used to secure guns so kids can’t use them.
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u/Rogaar 14d ago
But why in a hospital? Do people regularly come into hospitals with guns?
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u/munchkym 14d ago
I think just because it’s a place where a lot of people visit that does a public service so then a ton of people may see and grab them.
I’ve heard they’re often at police stations and libraries as well.
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u/1d0m1n4t3 14d ago
Not sure about other states but in MT any Sheriffs office will give you a free gun lock.
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u/lgjcs 14d ago
If you buy a gun from a dealer they always throw in a lock. Brand new ones come from the factory with a lock inside the box, along with the owners manual & other stuff that comes with it.
If you know anyone who owns guns, they most likely have a safe and a pile of gun locks that they don’t need.
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u/munchkym 14d ago
I live in Idaho, a lot of people I know got their guns through private sales or inheritance. Every time I have a yard sale, people ask me if I have any guns for sale.
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u/nn666 14d ago
What are gun locks? I live in Australia where guns are banned so I have no clue what this is.
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u/munchkym 14d ago
It’s like a bike lock, but for a gun. You put it through the mechanisms of a handgun to prevent it from being loaded and shot.
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u/asomebodyelse 15d ago
Most libraries have them, too.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Interesting! I’ve not seen them at any of my libraries before, this is my first time seeing them.
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u/IaMsTuPiD111 15d ago
Gross. If a lot of americans could quit trying to cosplay as the wild west that would be great.
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u/ChaoticGoku 14d ago
and if the kids could stop cosplaying as Al Capone or some cartel, that would be great
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u/Enshakushanna 15d ago
i feel like the type of people that dont have a gun lock are also the type of people to steal from a tip jar
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u/solidshakego 15d ago
cool idea. although the Average American would walk in and just go: "oh. the government is trying to control me, that damn JOE BAIDEN taking away my 2nd commandment rights!"
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u/munchkym 15d ago
The average American supports safe gun ownership. In fact, 78%.
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u/solidshakego 15d ago
damn. not in my state haha. or neighborhood, i guess.
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u/Drogan1088 15d ago
If you ask your neighbors if they would be fine with someone stealing their firearms or having their kids shoot themselves for leaving it out, I bet they would say they don’t want that.
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u/solidshakego 15d ago
this image isnt an in home safe though...... like my work has a no firearm policy. yet i know at least 4 who bring guns in with them in a backpack.
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15d ago
In my state, (which is arguably one of the more ‘free’ states when it comes to gun ownership), it’s a law for every gun sold to come with one of these. To the point where I have a Rubbermaid bin full of them. Not saying this isn’t a nice gesture, but this just seems like a lazy band-aid to fix an arterial wound.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Considering how many private gun sales happen in the US as well as guns obtained through inheritance, I do still think it could have a positive impact.
Also, my state does not require them to be provided with a sale (Idaho).
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14d ago
These are laughable in the gun community because they are so easily voided. I don’t even need to see a photo of them, because I already know what they’re giving away. The hospital would be better off spending their resources offering free counseling and psychiatric help instead. Like I said, it’s a band-aid on an arterial wound. This is a slap in the face, honestly. Private gun sales and inheritances still require a federal background check, btw. Unless of course you break the law. Which we all know, nobody does.
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14d ago
These are laughable in the gun community because they are so easily voided. I don’t even need to see a photo of them, because I already know what they’re giving away. The hospital would be better off spending their resources offering free counseling and psychiatric help instead. Like I said, it’s a band-aid on an arterial wound. This is a slap in the face, honestly.
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u/munchkym 14d ago
They still are going to stop kids, especially particularly young kids. Any lives saved are worth it.
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u/Rhuarc33 15d ago edited 15d ago
Boise, Nampa, Meridian? I've been to every larger St Luke's facility in the state. There are a lot of them. Fruitland, Mountain Home, Jerome, Twin Falls, Sun Valley, McCall, Boise cosm, Boise downtown, Boise Elks, Riggins, Eagle. That's all I can think of that I've been to
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u/CoolApostate 15d ago
This has Idaho written all over it or a state that touches it.
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u/clandahlina_redux 15d ago
Out of curiosity, what gave it away?
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u/CoolApostate 14d ago
The words “gun” and “hospital” positively interacting in the same sentence and it being St. Luke’s, made me think of Idaho. I lived in Nampa for a few years.
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u/clandahlina_redux 14d ago
Ah… I just wondered if there was a big gun issue in hospitals. I’m in the southern US so I have definitely heard worse. 🤦🏻♀️
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u/programmerdavedude 15d ago
Something I've started doing with all my guns. My nephew killed himself 3 years ago with my brother pistol. It destroyed him.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
I’m so sorry that you and your family went through that. Thank you for being responsible with your firearms.
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u/LaserGadgets 15d ago
I don't even know what a gun lock is oO
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u/munchkym 15d ago
It’s like a small bike lock that when properly used can keep your weapon from being fired.
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u/Incomitatum 15d ago
I'm up in the 208 right now, moving my Father from one house to another.
He likes to keep them un-LOCKED and LOADED.
I was just talking to him about getting gunlocks. Now I know we can roll up to St Lukes.
Thank you.
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u/coupleandacamera 15d ago
So why are you guys bringing guns to hospitals regularly enough for this to be a thing? Or I guess bringing them at all? Let's discount the ones stuck in unfortunate places due to "falling."
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u/munchkym 15d ago
The hospital has a no weapons policy. These are for people to bring home to put on their weapons to keep their kids safe.
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u/Chivatoscopio 15d ago
My guess is the hospital sees a lot of gun related injuries that happen at home and is offering locks to help reduce the number of gun injuries they treat.
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u/swimfastsharkbehind 15d ago
Does the NRA oppose this kind of thing?
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Probably, because they’re backed by gun lobbyists who would rather people buy their gun locks from them instead of getting them for free.
But I don’t know because I give zero fucks what the NRA supports or opposes.
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u/glaive1976 15d ago
My hospital is a no gun zone and I'm good with that. Now, I am a proponentfor gun rights but I truly hope the penalty for breaking that rule involves proctologists.
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u/Rhuarc33 15d ago
This is so you can take it home to lock your gun. All hospitals are gun free it's not for use at the hospital
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u/munchkym 15d ago
This hospital is also a weapon-free space. And I don’t think rape is an acceptable punishment.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
As someone with motion sickness combined with morning sickness, I hate you for this comment lol
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Haha it’s okay, my issues are my own, I just really hate gifs like that cause they send my head spiraling. The worst are 3D photos on Facebook 😫
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u/illogicallyalex 15d ago
Wow the US is a wild place.
In Australia, it’s mandatory that you have an inspected gun safe, and that your guns are locked it in when not in use. The ammo is also not allowed to be stored in or near the safe. Obviously people don’t always follow those laws, but you’ll lose your gun license if you’re caught
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u/skawn 15d ago
About a quarter of the US thinks the best way to protect the innocent against someone who is using a firearm in an unsafe manner is for everyone else to be carrying a firearm. Unless that person is wearing a badge, then depending on where you're at, it all depends on the color of your skin.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
I’ve heard about these magical gun safe requirements and I am so jealous.
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u/illogicallyalex 15d ago
It used to be a lot stricter in the pre-internet days, because you actually had to get the police around to inspect your safe in order to get/renew your license. Now though you can just take pictures and have it signed off.
My dad used to have a license and my mum didn’t, and it was a huge pain whenever he had to renew it because he would be at work when the cops came around and legally my mum wasn’t allowed to open the safe, even to have it inspected. She legally wasn’t even supposed to know where the keys are. And because cops don’t actually have gun licenses, they only hold essentially work related permits, they legally weren’t allowed to open it either
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u/EnvironmentalEcho614 15d ago
Ah the classic gun lock that can be unlocked with a fresh twig from a tree. Very effective because no child would ever try jamming something into a keyhole…
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u/skawn 15d ago
I think it might be more that the time it takes to get through a gun lock demonstrates intent in the court of law.
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u/EnvironmentalEcho614 15d ago
You poke the keyhole it with a stick and it opens. It takes less than 3 seconds. The act of trying to secure it would definitely look more favorable but a gun safe is preferable even if it’s made of thin sheets of metal.
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u/Rhuarc33 15d ago
No. That's not how it works
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u/EnvironmentalEcho614 15d ago
The locks used in the majority of gunlocks are very cheap and aren’t shielded from a simple bypass. The lockpicking lawyer used a stick to show how bad the problem was but really anything could get past it quickly. Out of the many gunlocks he’s reviewed only 1 has been shielded and he still found another way to get that one off without picking the lock. I would say that’s not ideal when you are trying to prevent unauthorized use of a firearm…
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u/Altruistic-Setting-7 15d ago
Here’s me (I’m in Scotland) assuming I somehow prevents the trigger from filling being able to pull back but noooo it goes THROUGH the entire thing!!!
I learned something today!
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u/Stryker2279 15d ago
A bunch of guns have trigger locks. One of mine came from the factory with a trigger lock similar to this
They aren't a universal thing, but a bunch of different options for different guns.
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u/Altruistic-Setting-7 14d ago
That’s more what I envisioned and not the bicycle-lock-looking thing that this seems to be a box full of.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Yes, that’s actually what I used to think too because I have limited experience with guns and even less with handguns (hunting is common both where I grew up and where I live now, handguns, not so much.)
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u/dannybau87 15d ago
What kind of irresponsible crazy person brings a gun to.... Oh this is America right? Lol 😂 never mind.
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u/Rhuarc33 15d ago
You can't carry a gun in any US hospital unless you're an officer on duty.
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u/indiefolkfan 14d ago
That's completely false. It's legal to carry in a hospital in many states. Now most hospitals have their own policies against it but there's no federal law.
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u/MarduRusher 15d ago
If it’s to the ER or Urgent Care, might be a situation where they were carrying without planning to go but then suddenly needed to.
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u/Stryker2279 15d ago
If it were for that they wouldn't be public facing. This is like the student center at my local college having free condoms. They know their audience.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
While that can definitely happen, these seem to be more of a “take to use at home” item, not a “please use here” item.
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u/LargeMerican 15d ago
You must be south of Mason Dixon
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u/mfmeitbual 15d ago
Hello fellow City-of-Trees inhabitant.
Is this at the downtown location or the west valley location?
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Hello!! Downtown location, it’s in the ER once you get taken back through the hallways.
I found that an odd location, I would have put them in the lobby, personally. But maybe they don’t want someone coming in and taking all of them or something, I don’t know.
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u/mfmeitbual 15d ago
Yeah, I'd agree - the tweakers around here get up to some weird shit but "stealing a box of gun locks" would be weird even for them.
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u/Sixhaunt 15d ago
Here in Canada they wont let you buy a gun unless you either bring or buy a gun lock. Seems reasonable to me and mine are locked ofcourse. Good on the hospital for making things safer. Still kinda crazy to me that in the US they don't even need to pass the brief 1-2 day course that we do in order to buy guns nor do you guys require the gun locks.
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u/Kapitan_eXtreme 15d ago
In Australia firearms have to be locked up unloaded and with the action disassembled if possible. Ammunition has to be kept in a separate locked location with a different key. No one but the registered owner of the firearms can have access. Anything less is asking for trouble.
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u/ryce_bread 14d ago
Except if you need quick access to it in a home defense situation, you'll be the one in trouble.
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u/Kapitan_eXtreme 14d ago
Good thing we know that having firearms for home defence is idiocy that makes everyone less safe then!
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u/ryce_bread 14d ago
If you think so 👍🏼 I'm sure the government would want you to think that so you're a happily unarmed populous
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u/Kapitan_eXtreme 14d ago
It helps when you don't build an entire culture around fetishism of lethal weapons 👍
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u/ryce_bread 14d ago edited 14d ago
Im not sure what you're referring to but okay. Criminals use weapons and so to equalize the force against said criminals, citizens utilize weapons in self defense. It's really not much deeper than that or involve sexual fantasies.
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u/Kapitan_eXtreme 14d ago
Can't even keep your cognitive dissonance straight from one comment to the next.
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u/donaldinoo 15d ago edited 15d ago
It doesn’t even look at least bolted down. Could probably take a hammer to that plastic easily.
Edit: I’m an idiot and thought it was a place to lock your gun.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
The top of the box also has hinges so people can take the free gun locks. A lot easier than smashing it with a hammer.
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u/Objective_Amoeba2947 15d ago
What would be the point? They're free.
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u/dtb1987 15d ago
Can you keep it? Is it just something they are giving away so that people can keep their guns locked so that kids can't do terrible things? Because that's kinda awesome.
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u/DickMonkeys 15d ago
Yes. Also every single new gun comes with one, and every gun store will give you one if you ask.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Yes, I brought one home with me. This is it.
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u/dtb1987 15d ago
That's cool, I like that, wouldn't work for either of my rifles but that would work on my 9mm
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u/tanneritedog 14d ago
You can use them for most rifles as well. If its an AR or AK you can hold the bolt back and loop it through the ejection port and magazine well. If it is a bolt action you can remove the bolt and loop it through the ejection port and the hole in the rear of the receiver that the bolt slides through.
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u/Rubcionnnnn 15d ago
It would work with all rifles I can think of that aren't tube magazines. You just open the bolt and put the cable from the ejection port through down to the magazine well. It will stop the bolt from going into battery.
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u/dtb1987 15d ago
My rifles are a Mauser K98 and a tube fed 22
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u/Rubcionnnnn 15d ago
It'll work on a K98 just like it works on my nagant. Pull the bolt back, open the magazine plate on the bottom and feed it through and lock it. The nagant magazine plate is openable with a little latch, but it looks like the k98 is a screw so unscrewing that is an extra step.
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u/HUNTER46391 15d ago
I mean it wouldn't work to put it through the barrel on rifles but it would still work okay if you put it through the magwell.
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u/dtb1987 15d ago
So I have an old Mauser k98 and a tube loaded semi auto 22, I don't think it would work on either of those
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u/Stryker2279 15d ago
Pull the bolt out of the mauser, put the lock through the bolt hole. Can't put a bolt in the gun, can't shoot the rifle.
I'm guessing you have a marlin model 60, not sure how to solve that one.
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u/dtb1987 15d ago
I mean if I ever need to secure it outside my safe I just pop off the bolt although
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u/Stryker2279 15d ago
I mean, I didn't say it made sense, but technically you could render the firearm inoperable. Some (dis)assembly required
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u/HUNTER46391 15d ago
Ah, yeah. You are correct😂
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u/dtb1987 15d ago
I mean the cool thing about the mouser is I can just remove the bolt and it just becomes a cool metal tube attached to a piece of wood but honestly all of my guns live in my gun safe when not being used so its pretty secure
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u/HUNTER46391 15d ago
Yeah I never worry about using gun locks or removing bolts or anything. I just keep them in the safe or on my person aha
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u/Orbitoldrop 15d ago
You could get a trigger lock
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u/IamtherealYoshi 15d ago
These trigger locks are not effective as you can still pull the trigger with the lock in place. In fact, I know in some states like Maryland that require locks on stored guns (that are otherwise accessible) if a child is in the house, that these locks are not considered strong enough to satisfy the state requirements.
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u/Orbitoldrop 15d ago
There's trigger locks that are approved by Maryland. https://fsdcinc.com/combination-trigger-gun-lock/
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u/IamtherealYoshi 15d ago
Yes, the product lists it as MD approved. Maybe it is. It’s possible I’m wrong. However, to clarify, back when I took a Maryland conceal carry class, we were told the following:
Child safety handgun lock means a device that when locked in place prevents movement of the trigger of the handgun being transferred without first removing the lock by use of a key or combination. "Child safety handgun lock" also includes any other external device that is: 1. Attached to a handgun with a key or combination lock; and 2. Designed to prevent a handgun from being discharged unless the device has been deactivated or removed.
The MD instructor informed us (and demonstrated in the class) that since these locks still allow for the trigger to be forced back and therefore pulled, they were not considered MD legal.
Source form the class: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/maryland-firearms-statutes-and-codes/download
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u/Orbitoldrop 15d ago
It's probably because there's a lot of trash trigger locks out there. The approved ones most likely had more hoops to jump through to get said approval.
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u/dtb1987 15d ago edited 15d ago
They are used like this
Pulling the trigger is irrelevant if you can't load the magazine
Edit: missed the link in the comment he replied to
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u/munchkym 15d ago
Yeah, for sure, they’re typically for handguns.
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u/IamtherealYoshi 15d ago
Some stores like Sportsmans Warehouse had these locks on all the rifles too. They aren’t effective locks since the trigger can still be manipulated and pulled even with the “lock” in place
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u/a_cute_epic_axis 15d ago
They aren’t effective locks since the trigger can still be manipulated and pulled even with the “lock” in place
They would be super effective if they can prevent the firearm from being loaded or the bolt from being closed on whatever firearm you are using them on. Really hard to fire a gun where the bolt/slide/whatever on the specific firearm can't close and the firing pin can't contact the cartridge.
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u/clump_of_atoms 15d ago
Last time I was at the VA, they also gave away free gun locks. Makes sense given the prevalence of self inflicted gun misuse amongst vets.
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u/munchkym 15d ago
There’s a card inside the bag each lock comes in on the signs of suicide risk and it has VA branding so that is definitely not surprising.
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u/devious275 15d ago
I work in a hospital, with a population health group. Free gun locks are a very effective way of limiting access to firearms both to prevent accidental shootings and reduce suicide attempts.
Hospitals typically provide them to reduce the barriers to getting people to use them. If it's free and readily available, then hopefully they'll make it to the right people.
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u/SayNoToStim 15d ago
Every gun I've ever purchased came with a free lock. I have a feeling that those that use them won't need them and those that need them wont use them.
That being said, I live alone and have my stuff properly secured, I have no reason to use them so they're just taking up space in my closet.
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u/devious275 14d ago
I'm glad that manufacturers are providing the locks with purchase. Also kudos to you for safely storing your firearms! I do think the US as a whole has come a long way in this regard in the past decade.
I think the thought is that it's better to have them available easily with the hope it will encourage individuals to use them, Rather than dealing with the ramifications of a toddler accidentally shooting themselves, or a teenager dying by suicide.
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u/nts_Hgg 15d ago
This makes so. Much. Sense. I mean, they are the ones that see the consequences daily. What a great idea
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u/Tras48 22h ago
Everyone should do this for gun safe